Does the NBA being cancelled by TNT bode well for AEW? Or is it a sign of things to come?

Does the NBA being cancelled by TNT bode well for AEW? Or is it a sign of things to come?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AEW has experienced the Danielson curse and will no longer be on tv after 12/31/2024

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Makes sense, Danielson's last match in WWE was on Smackdown (which got CANCELLED)

      Things are so dire that you have 3rd parties pretending to be Hogwheels and Fatjama

      because this thread will tank without their squealing and coping

      TNT losing NBA is catastrophic. They'll lose their premium advertisers, lose cable/satellite TV carriage fees and overall tank as a brand. The last thing they'll want to do, as they struggle to replace high-paid advertisers with even more prescription drug ads and online colleges, is brand themselves as the Blood And Guts Wrestling Channel.

      They had a good run, but it's time for AEW to accept being cancelled and move on to another channel. They should strongly look at putting Dynamite on a channel like HBO, Showtime or Cinemax, so all the boomers can tune in without streaming but they can also more freely have swearing, violence against women, etc. Take a budget deal for Collision to be on another channel (Paramount Network? TruTV? A&E?) so there's at least 1 show people can follow with standard cable packages. And make sure all 3 shows get a good streaming deal, because your 18-50 are going to track you down no matter where you land.

      >the advertisers heckin' hate Blood & Guts

      puss-Es don't even pretend they live in reality

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anything can happen.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It means that WBD had to make a hard decision about where to invest their money and they chose AEW over NBA. Tony finna get a MASSIVE bag on this new contract.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Things are so dire that you have 3rd parties pretending to be Hogwheels and Fatjama

      because this thread will tank without their squealing and coping

      TNT losing NBA is catastrophic. They'll lose their premium advertisers, lose cable/satellite TV carriage fees and overall tank as a brand. The last thing they'll want to do, as they struggle to replace high-paid advertisers with even more prescription drug ads and online colleges, is brand themselves as the Blood And Guts Wrestling Channel.

      They had a good run, but it's time for AEW to accept being cancelled and move on to another channel. They should strongly look at putting Dynamite on a channel like HBO, Showtime or Cinemax, so all the boomers can tune in without streaming but they can also more freely have swearing, violence against women, etc. Take a budget deal for Collision to be on another channel (Paramount Network? TruTV? A&E?) so there's at least 1 show people can follow with standard cable packages. And make sure all 3 shows get a good streaming deal, because your 18-50 are going to track you down no matter where you land.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WBD still has MLB & NHL (including playoffs) under contract until 2029, and NCAA tournament games locked in until 2032. No cable provider is going to drop those channels with such important games on them. WBD will now most likely re-up AEW for another 5 year deal so it expires around the same time as some of the other sports deals, then reevaluate 5 years from now if they want to drop all sports or not. No way would they cut Dynamite, which is routinely a top 3 show on Wednesday, while they still air other live programming like MLB, NHL, and NCAA.

        >They should strongly look at putting Dynamite on a channel like HBO
        HBO is owned by WBD, you moron

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I said TNT would lose carriage fees, not that they would be dropped from lineups. WBD's MLB/NHL packages are only a few games per week, not 10+; and the baseball games are simulcast on regional networks with the local broadcast teams. NCAA is only during the month of March. TNT/TBS are not sports networks, they are networks that offer sports here and there. Nobody in Arizona is keeping their $80/month cable channel because they're dying to see Marlins vs Reds on a Tuesday night, and then Giants vs Rangers the next Tuesday. The days of showing exclusively Braves games are long gone.

          The idea that WBD would blow $200M/year, as they now face many times that amount in revenue shortfall, is laughable. As I stated in my previous post -- just drawing a rating is not enough if your product turns off advertisers. AEW is not a critically acclaimed drama where a few swears and a gunfight is part of the evolution of the story -- AEW swearing/bleeding it's largely superfluous and could just as easily be worked around 90% of the time without harming the product.

          >HBO is owned by WBD, you moron
          No shit dumbfrick, but it's not a standard channel in cable packages like TNT, TBS, ESPN, A&E, Paramount Network, FS1, Discovery and other top channels are. It's a premium offering where they could swear all they want, have the women show ass/breasts, they can go all out. A deal with HBO/Cinemax/Starz/Showtime wouldn't be based on projected ratings or what advertisers are willing to pay, but rather how many eyeballs they bring to the product.

          If AEW were able to deliver a premium cable channel hundreds of thousands of new subscribers, that almost exclusively watch AEW programming and not much else, they could make a lot of coin via incentives. But it would be a big gamble and going from TV-14 to TV-MA and back again could be a big hassle.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And they aren't losing as much in carriage fees as you believe since they still have other live sports, especially important playoff games, you dumb frick. AEW costs are a drop in the bucket compared to other programming so it makes sense to keep around a top 3 show. HBO only generates revenue from subscribers so it makes no sense to move there since there would be no ad revenue. You really are a stupid frick so you should just shut the frick up now.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            TOP 3
            >TOP 3
            TOP 3
            >TOP 3
            TOP 3
            >TOP 3
            You're calling other people stupid but you think this is an actual argument. Top 3. As if WBD could pay $50M/year or $700M/year or anywhere in-between for a program, and all that really truly matters is that they are
            >TOP 3

            You're fricking stupid, you're an imbecile who only knows how to repeat talking points from Dave Meltzer.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Posts like these are so bizzare even for console warriors that prefer their favorite console to be wwe

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I am an AEW fan and supporter. I watch, quite literally, 10x more AEW programming than I do WWE programming. When I come on here to talk about AEW, WWE and the wrestling business in general, I don't appreciate homosexual HogWheels commenting "Slopdown got cancelled" 700 times a day and making every single thread about himself, and Pigjama is just as bad with his nitpicking, greentext homosexual act where he never discusses anything with detail or provides URLs or reasonable arguments, he just derails everything and tries to piss everyone off.

          I am here to discuss wrestling with other people who want to discuss wrestling. homosexual morons who spend all day and night trying to get themselves over can frick off and die in a fire.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I watch, quite literally, 10x more AEW programming than I do WWE programming.

            So you're just like every other Twitter e-drone then? kek

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Weirdly good analysis

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Slopdown was canceled
        Seethe and cope b***hbreasts
        Tony won

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tiny won’t wank you, PigKwab.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AEW will be on watchaew.com or a Youtube exclusive.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ape hoop is gone. Now WBD can finally push AEW as the premier live sports shows on their network. Tony always plays his hand correctly

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A Citi analyst says that TNT will lose 45% of its carrier fees. They get $3 per cable subscriber now. They'll get just above $1.50 per without the NBA. This will take away somewhere in the neighborhood of $220 million from WBD's annual revenue. Tina is going to have to take many, many pennies less to stay with WBD.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      On the other hand, trying to lowball your now biggest TV show could likely result in you getting nothing and being even worse off. It's an interesting situation all around

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah i think they'll stay but tony isn't going to get the big bump he wants

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      On the other hand, trying to lowball your now biggest TV show could likely result in you getting nothing and being even worse off. It's an interesting situation all around

      It's only a lowball if someone wants them more than TNT/TBS

      Name a network as big or bigger than WBD, that's not already in league with WWE, that you think wants Dynamite, Collision and Rampage. Bonus points if you can back it up with actual precedent for that channel wanting not just wrestling, but non wwe wrestling

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Name a network as big or bigger than WBD, that's not already in league with WWE, that you think wants Dynamite, Collision and Rampage. Bonus points if you can back it up with actual precedent for that channel wanting not just wrestling, but non wwe wrestling
        Paramount

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Paramount is also having massive financial problems and just dropped Showtime Boxing and Bellator

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Paramount
          About to get bought out by Sony, if not them then somebody else. Eventually it's just going to be Amazon, Netflix, and Disney.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I honestly can't tell if the posters genuinely think AEW is just going to be given the billions that were earmarked for the NBA, or they're doing a masterful shitpost.

    Beside TNT is going to rush to get the WNBA as a replacement for the NBA.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody expects, or ever expected AEW to suddenly get a billion dollars a year.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think their best hope is $1 billion total for a 5 year deal, so $200 million per year. This would be for 5 hours of weekly TV shows, plus streaming their library and 8-12 PLEs per year on MAX instead of PPVs. That is probably their ceiling.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Does the NBA being cancelled by TNT bode well for AEW?
        Afraid not. WBD is desperately broke without the NBA and they'll be looking to cut costs to the bone which means they're going to axe a lot of things. Including AEW.

        >Nobody expects, or ever expected AEW to suddenly get a billion dollars a year.
        Kek you can't revise history. AEWtists spent months bragging about the imaginary 1.5 billion dollar deal that AEW was supposed to get in 2 more weeks. And pigwheels has written thousands of pages of headcanon about AEW being worth 2 billion dollars.

        Dynamite will be fine, it'll land somewhere. Rampage probably is too, Collision is likely to get canceled though

        >Dynamite will be fine
        Just like how TNA was fine after losing Spike TV, amirite?

        Ted Turner is rolling in his grave.

        Ted Turner's alive.

        WBD still has MLB & NHL (including playoffs) under contract until 2029, and NCAA tournament games locked in until 2032. No cable provider is going to drop those channels with such important games on them. WBD will now most likely re-up AEW for another 5 year deal so it expires around the same time as some of the other sports deals, then reevaluate 5 years from now if they want to drop all sports or not. No way would they cut Dynamite, which is routinely a top 3 show on Wednesday, while they still air other live programming like MLB, NHL, and NCAA.

        >They should strongly look at putting Dynamite on a channel like HBO
        HBO is owned by WBD, you moron

        >WBD will now most likely re-up AEW for another 5 year deal
        lolnope

        It's actually ince tives for turner to keep aew. Will have a shit ton of money to go around and will be looking for content to fill the NBA's void.

        >It's actually ince tives for turner to keep aew.
        Wrong
        >Will have a shit ton of money to go around
        Hilariously wrong

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WNBA as a replacement
      grim

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Basketball was TNT's main eventer who drew the house, AEW was a midcard shitter who fills time on the card.
    The main eventer leaving is not a good sign for TNT or any of the midcard shows it has on its channel like AEW

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Your post is exactly what people don't seem to understand. Jerry Springer show did monster ratings back in the day, but it was considered Trash TV and only got poor-quality advertising/sponsors (prepaid credit cards, ringtones, Miss Cleo's Psychic Network, etc)

      WWE is already -20% (or whatever amount) from regular shows despite being TV-PG, non-WWE wrestling is probably -30%, and non-WWE with swearing/blood/violence is likely closer to -40%. Every rating you see from AEW has to be placed in this context or their shows being cancelled isn't going to make sense to you if (when) it happens.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yup the curse for wrestling promotions is the audience is trashy and poor and the advertisers for this demo pay like shit. That's why WWE has bounced around on so many channels, tv execs want nothing to do with wrestling and the ones that do make a deal look at it as a temporary stop gap until the next thing.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          WWE does alright with advertisers which is why most of their ad breaks are full ad breaks, not Picture in Picture which bring in much less revenue. The thing about the WWE audience is that they are proven channel-loyalists, but they largely ignore advertisers, which is why they were happy to take FOX's money but they didn't have a good ROI on network TV.

          AEW is going to get a good contract and a raise with whatever contract they sign, but until they scale back the TV-14 content (even if they keep the TV-14 rating), it's going to be an uphill climb to get guaranteed-money instead of an incentive-laden deal with option years tacked onto the end.

          >This program contains material that many parents would find unsuitable for children under 14 years of age.[11]
          >Programs contain material that parents or adult guardians may find unsuitable for children under the age of 14. The FCC warns that "parents are cautioned to exercise some care in monitoring this program and are cautioned against letting children under the age of 14 watch unattended".[11] Programs with this rating contain intensely suggestive dialogue, strong coarse language, intense sexual situations or intense violence.[12]
          >D – Sexual or suggestive dialogue (not used with the TV-MA rating)
          >L – Coarse or crude language
          >S – Sexual situations
          >V – Violence

          Different networks will have different ideas of what to do to stay within the standard, but in general, you don't need Toni Storm saying SHIT when her entire gimmick is supposed to be coming up with old-timey ways to speak. 1 total shit per week instead of 5 could translate to $5-15 million per year, have to be smart about these things.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dynamite will be fine, it'll land somewhere. Rampage probably is too, Collision is likely to get canceled though

  10. 2 weeks ago
    ProWresBlog

    No idea. It could go either way. TNT may have more money for AEW now or may want to save more money. TNT may not want them on Wednesday's, Friday's or Saturday's anymore due to the new open slots. Maybe TNT wants another AEW show to fill a slot and maybe they want Dynamite to be 3 hours.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think there’s a chance that should they lose the NBA they may pivot away from sports entirely with no desire to pay much for wrestling

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i can see WBD just killing AEW for good and pivot to sports only while they use their own programming
    Unless they get AEW for dirty cheap

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WBD is fricking broke.
    TBS and TNT won't even be a thing by 2030.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ted Turner is rolling in his grave.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can make good arguments for both sides it's hard to say what WBD will do now without the NBA. I think they will get a deal done with AEW as long as it's cheap because live tv has value and they just lost a ton of live programming for most of the year. But who knows what is going on in the WBD war room, they might be panicking and thinking they need to cut costs anywhere they can right now.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone smarter than me explain how any business can reach $40+billion in debt? I asked in another thread 2/3 days ago it seems like self-sabotage to have network(s) buy them out and got no answer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The DCEU flopping and their gaming division. Suicide squad lost them a shit load of money this year alone

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Can someone smarter than me explain how any business can reach $40+billion in debt?
      Lines of credit.
      It works the exact same way as a personal credit card, just on a much larger scale for corporations.
      At a certain point if you can't stabilize the debt interest you're not going to be able to keep your head above water if you aren't making any money to do so.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But how does it reach that massive level without shit hitting the fan? I'm from bumfrick nowhere PA, a local beer distributor lost his business and had to declare bankruptcy because he was taking the money he was money and trying to up it by gambling. His debt didn't sniff $100 grand let alone billions.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Covid fricked up the theatrical movie experience as a revenue stream. Releasing the movies on MAX didn't bring in nearly the same type of profits.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But how does it reach that massive level without shit hitting the fan?
          Creditors will still grant you lines of credit based on various circumstances.
          Perhaps you're making payments on time.
          Maybe you're paying more than any sort of minimum payment set.
          Corporations and civilians have the example same set of financial tools, it's just that corporations have a multitude of more zeroes at the end of their credit limit because they handle higher financial volume.
          If this seems like it's stupid, it's because it is for the exact same reason you would think a person living off of credit cards is stupid. It's not sustainable.
          The creditors don't really care as long as you keep paying them. The longer you're in debt, the more money they make, and they'll stop offering credit lines if you look to be a financial risk who won't pay their credit premiums.
          There are also creditors who look for that specifically with who they lend to in hopes of reaping their IPs and assets if they think the corporation will have to liquidate, which may be how WBD got so high in the first place.
          Having a chance at owning Batman is worth the risk, you know?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Big TV and film projects cost a lot of money. WBD has published a lot of failed shit like the DC movies and games. They are one of the big Hollywood studios that keeps making shit movies that no one wants to see because of producers trying to copy memey parts of popular movies instead of making anything good. They weren't even going to make the second Dune movie unless the first one did incredibly well. They're in a business where a lot of their projects cost hundreds of millions on the low end for years of production and a lot of them lose money.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All very true, they doubled down on BLM, Whamen Are Wonderful, and DEI garbage, grandstanded and rubbed everyone's face in it, and now years later they continue to lose billions. These people permanently removed tens of millions of movie-goers from the marketplace and nearly as many DVD/Blu-Ray renters/buyers, and it's not a hole they can get out of easily. Discovery thought they were getting a steal when they got WB from AT&T but they really got an albatross that can't stop losing money and driving away customers.

            It's actually ince tives for turner to keep aew. Will have a shit ton of money to go around and will be looking for content to fill the NBA's void.

            That's not how that works though. Like if your wife leaves you and takes 40% of your income with her, you don't suddenly look at your $800/mo food budget and think "wow! she's gone, now I have another $350/mo to spend on food!" -- Revenue goes down, so does the budget. WBD isn't going to go on a shopping spree to replace NBA, they need to pay down debt and take some chances on YouTubers, TikTokers or others willing to take less money to make content, and hope something pops.

            Could PewDiePie or Mr Beast make a compelling 2 hour show on TNT? Are they worth paying $80M/year? Might just be. That's the kind of risk they need to take. They need subscribers, they need a younger audience. They don't need WWE's sloppy-seconds 50+ audience.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WBD have massive debt and have been cancelling shit that was already finished and would at worst make 1000x more revenue in 2 months than AEW would in 10 years. It would not be surprising to see them drop aew. The bigger question is who would pick them up is they do get dropped? They might want to keep them to fill timeslots but I can't imagine they would keep Rampage or those belt specials even if they do renew, and no way they would offer a deal with any significant rights increase. At best they would get the exact same deal. AEW needs a massive increase to break even.
    The story isn't whether or not they get a TV deal at all, it's how much money they can get for the TV rights and the chances of it being enough to make the company profitable are close to 0.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's actually ince tives for turner to keep aew. Will have a shit ton of money to go around and will be looking for content to fill the NBA's void.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hi, actual adult with a job here.
    So there's thing called fiduciary duty, which means you have to make the people you work for money. Which means the head of TBS has to get AEW to resign for as long as possible for as low as possible or find a better program to replace it.
    Now replacing AEW is very dangerous because anything that does worse than AEW is a clear failure, where as if AEW is renewed you can crunch the numbers any which way and claim it was the best choice at the time.
    However, what makes AEW unique is that THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN MAKING MONEY. In fact it's not out of the realm of possibility that Tony Khan would actually pay TBS to air AEW. So given your fiduciary duty, you really can't make AEW an offer. You have to wait for someone else to make them an offer and then just go barely above it (or under it because you can assure continuity in their programming. And if no else makes an offer, you get to see how much Tony is willing to pay to keep playing wrestling booker.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Actual adult
      >Thinks resign means sign again
      You're a moron

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I don't put max effect into my posts here cause people know what I'm saying. I actually write big boy emails all day and don't need. I can understand after a whole day of flipping burgers you need to play teacher on the internet.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Now replacing AEW is very dangerous
      WBD would probably make more money if they replaced AEW with more Big Bang Theory reruns

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But that might be significantly more expensive than AEW.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >more expensive
          homie, WBD owns BBT reruns and they have a production cost of $0.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They still have to pay royalties, and after 12 seasons (which means 5 different contract renegotiations) is no cheap.
            Close Enough was 3 seasons and a cartoon and WBD still decided they couldn't afford to keep it streaming.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's no way that airing a few more episodes of BBT each week would cost more than AEW.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            AEW currently costs a million an episode. Each of the main cast members easily gets six figures each airing. And that's a half hour not 2.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon there's no timeline where airing BBT reruns costs more than airing AEW.
            https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/31/big-bang-theory-cast-still-make-eye-watering-10-million-year-final-episode-reruns-alone-8295594/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            AEW gives them PPV revenue. They are pay to play.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For the people who think TNT is somehow stuck with their MLB, NHL and NCAA packages:

            https://sports.yahoo.com/roku-to-take-over-sunday-mlb-games-that-were-previously-on-peawiener-201501223.html

            >MLB and Roku have reached a deal for Roku to take over streaming of Sunday games previously hosted by subscription service Peawiener.

            >MLB announced the agreement Monday, and it will take effect immediately. The first of 18 Sunday games scheduled for Roku this season will take place this Sunday (May 19) when the Boston Red Sox visit the St. Louis Cardinals at 1:05 p.m. ET. Roku will continue to stream Sunday day games throughout the season until Sept. 15.

            If WBD loses NBA, they could look to offload their existing sports packages to Amazon, Netflix or other platforms/providers.

            They don't own them, friendo, they license them and pay royalties. They can't just air BBT 24/7 for 0 additional dollars - every airing has a substantial fee attached to it, which is even higher in primetime.

            >NBA being cancelled by TNT
            Do they have that sort of power?

            No, but Porkwheels set the precedent that any program moving to another channel means it "got cancelled", even if they signed for more money, don't miss a single week, continue to air for a full year after being 'cancelled', and so on.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they license them
            WBD owns the studio that produced BBT. Who are they paying huge licensing fees to?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that anon is 100% right , WBD need to own the cost of showing BBT reruns vs selling them or leasing them to another company

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine being this in your feelings over Smackdown getting CANCELLED lmfao

            Vincels are so pathetic they make El Nepobaby de Murdoch look based.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NBA being cancelled by TNT
    Do they have that sort of power?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gayew is drastically bleeding viewers. They quickly went from NO MILLY to NO NINEY to NO EIGHTY and recently did a show that was NO SEVENY. In a matter of months. WBD is sinking in other areas already and its just hard to see them thinking its worth keeping some dead weight like Gayew.

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