Is HHH being up with Rock and Austin during AE revisionist headcanon or true?

All I remember about HHH in the Attitude Era is getting clowned on by Rock and Austin+being booked like a super villain the first half of 2000 where he was being booked to go over everyone. Cornette said it best. He was a solid worker but was never the draw. Never the guy who you could singularly depend on to make waves. He was the guy you had work with the draw. Main event guy (or was booked as such at least) but a B player who required to be working with an A to get the most out of him. A supplementary talent. I feel like HHH didn’t really get the chance to feel like a bigger star until Ruthless Aggression when the Rock’s and Austin’s of the world were out of the picture.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >HHH didn’t reach his highest highs until RA

    Many such cases. Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, etc for instance didn’t become the biggest versions of themselves until Ruthless Aggression even though they were still notably around in Attitude. I don’t feel like it’s a knock on any of those guys. Just speaks to the level and how competitive Attitude was. Again, in some cases the midcarders of the Attitude Era later wound up becoming the bigger top stars of Ruthless Aggression.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was nowhere near up there. Even Mankind and Jericho were above him lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >jericho
      Hey Jericel

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jericho
      Let’s not get crazy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's nostalgic revisionism. H was always a solid wrestler, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, but he's a charismatic vaccuum who fricked his way to the top by cheating on his girlfriend for a wannabe ring rat with a muscle fetish who was the owner's daughter. I really don't know how he didn't get the shit beat out of him for that, but knowing Vince, he probably got weirdly turned on that "such a STUD" could be his son in law.

        I'd put Jericho up there if he had a proper reign. In terms of mic and matches, Jericho is better. He just never had a chance to truly shine like Rock and Austin did.
        Hell, even fricking Foley had more of a shot than he did. He paid the price with blood and bones, but still.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Recency bias makes some people think lesser of Jericho now but he was pretty fricking phenomenal in his prime and I agree that he got way fewer opportunities than most and I lowkey think that was because Vince was a size and body guy and Jericho while built well was a shorter guy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mankind was atleast, wasnt it why mankind was booked to fued with hhh in the first place? To get hhh over? Even in early dx hhh was just a goon with a girlfriend.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's not with them but he's at the level directly below them and still pretty damn important in the grand scheme of things. He was the only top heel that drew actual heat in WWF's highest rated year.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This but yeah there’s no shame in being what HHH was in the Attitude Era. Just because you’re not Michael Jordan, Kobe, or Lebron doesn’t mean you’re still not great in your own right. There are worse positions to be in than working with all the top guys at the time.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s zoomer revisionist history but to Trips’ credit he was really good at the niche roll required of him (the winning heel you fricking seethe). The Reign of Terror and everything it was kayfabe and shoot pretty much describes his wrestling career in a nutshell. Great heel, was typically only as good as the star you had him working with, and the beneficiary of string booking.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He was one of the top guys. But by nature, anytime he was the “lead” in a program it was dimeless. OP said it. He was working with the top guys but was a supplementary piece. That’s not revisionist that’s just fact.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hardcore revisionism.

    The actual unironically casual memory ranking goes:
    >Austin
    >Rock
    >Vince
    >Kane
    >Mankind
    >Undertaker
    >Hardy Boyz
    >DX (Mainly Outlaws)
    >HHH

    He is a B+ player. He pushes bland manlets who are workrate robots so that people miss his era by comparison. He does interminable long title runs so people think the Reign of Terror looks better by comparison.
    You cannot understand or underestimate how vain, insecure, politicking and propped up everything about Paul Levesque is. Without connections he would have been nothing more than an upper midcard solid hand, respected pro who can slot into different roles and a handful of smarks want pushed, but no more. He's Dolph Ziggler, not even Miz, he just networked and politicked well

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are the only people trying to revise history when you say blatantly biased shit like this. No Triple H wasn't on the level of Austin or Rock but he was the top heel when wrestling was most popular in 2000. He was one of the main stars of the hottest show on television. Everybody old enough to remember remembers him as one of the top guys, because that is objectively what he was

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrestling was most popular in 1999. Austin getting hit by the car lead to ratings and ticket sales decreasing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The narrative of liking HHH has been a recent development as people took notice that he’s doing/has done solid behind the scenes work as creative and earlier with NXT more directly. Since 90’s the narrative of HHH has been that nobody would know who he is without his politicking and and marrying the boss’ daughter. Which in all honesty you have to respect almost. He went from midcard for life to weaseling his way into opportunities and having a much better career than he would have had he been more of a straight shooter.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He would have always been a main eventer. He was already 2 time champ before he even got put in a storyline with Steph. The Kliq/Shawn have more to do with his push than Stephanie

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is cope. In no way were the hardy boyz or dx alone higher than HHH by 2000. Foley is debatable but Rock/Vince/Austin, yes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vince only drew as a foil to Austin and that's it. Any McMahon family storylines afterwards were objective anti-dimes and repelled viewers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Vince only drew as a foil to Austin

          Agreed but I don’t see your point. Mr. McMahon is the greatest and most important heel character in the history of the company. His AE feud with Austin helped make that era.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and no. McMahon as an angry mouthpiece and seeing Vince's arms were over but actual Austin vs McMahon matches like SVDM cage match didn't draw. People liked the drama of a guy who goes to work drunk sodomizing his boss but felt it was obvious his boss was never going to pin him.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Idk, the ministry kinapping steph was neat. Im cherry picking though. Id love to read some sponsors reactions to the mcmahonism bit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrestlemania X7 was in 2001. You go back and watch that TLC match and then DARE to tell me all of those tag teams weren't one of the hottest motherfrickers around.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah it's
      Hulk
      Rock
      Undertaker
      Vince
      Austin
      Andre because of Princess Bride

      in that order
      I didn't watch wrestling/have cable and that is the order I know them in
      And I only know Austin because of memes after the fact
      Sorry anyone who isn't happy about this but it's the truth
      >but Hulk isn't this generation
      Doesn't matter, Hulk is wrestling

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Put Austin above carder and your list is correct.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Eh
          Undertaker is mentioned more than Stone Cold for me, like 3 times per decade instead of two.

          For anyone wondering where HHH is, don't know who he is from anything before the global announcement for Fhite which is when I started shitposting here
          Possible I had heard of him before but just thought "don't they mean triple X, isn't that a movie guy or something", or so on.

          I actually did hear about HBK from someone once though. No idea who that is what it stands for or what "era" it is.
          But for what it's worth everyone, HBK is still more over with the general public than Haitch despite him owning, you know, whatever

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, 98-01 Austin was legit one of the biggest things. I would routinely see Austin 3:16 and Venom t-shirts out in the wild. Hell, I still see them to this day, and I'm from the UK. In America, he was enormous. TV shows, cars, magazines, interviews, chequebooks, phones, beepers, and men's products... he was so popular that a random compilation album called Stone Cold Metal broke into the top 100 billboards. It's hard to undersell just how popular he was. The only person who came close to him, was the Rock and irony there is... Austin not only handpicked the Rock (much like how Bret Hart handpicked Austin) but mentored him and guided him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Agree with this post in principle but anon got the first 3 right then just went fricking buckwild with the rest of his list. Hardy Boyz and DX over HHH is pushing it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kane is pushing it too if we're considering 2000-2002 HHH. It'd be true in just 1997-1999.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Vince always gets bored of booking monster heels like monster heels 2 years in and after that they become goofy comedy midcarders. Kane was no different. When he started saying SUCK IT and doing spinaroonies he became a jabroni.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2000 HHH was absolutely treated as the heel that could take Austin and Rock.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Booked as

      Yes. HHH was booked strong as frick for the first like 6 months of 2000. They were going all in on trying to build HHH as the next big heel at that point. They succeeded but HHH could pretty much only exclusively be a relational antagonist to guys like Austin and Rock. He was dimes working with them a then completely dimeless when he’d do programs with guys where HHH was supposed to be the big star of the feud.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was, starting in the year 2000. The problem is peak AE was 98-99 and the big 4 were Austin, Rock, Taker and Mankind. Kane is pretty high up there but as an ancillary character to Taker or Mankind usually.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You cite 2000 but is it because of the actual work HHH was doing or because HHH was being booked to go over like Roman Reigns for months?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        His work in 2000 was objectively great.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That’s not what’s in question. Question is was it at the level of the top stars of the Atttiude Era like Rock and Austin.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That is literally the question you just asked, you fricking moron.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You said HHH was on the level of Rock and Austin in 2000. What I was trying to ask you was if you feel that way because of the quality of his work independent of his booking or if it’s because he was booked so strong for a lot of that year.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I said that. I answered here:

            He got the Foley special at Royal Rumble 2000 and didn't squander it. It wasn't that he'd win but that, for the most part, he'd make his opponent look really good during the match. Begging and pleading off Rikishi made him in 2000 for example. Before the Foley match, his only good title defense was vs Billy Gunn on Raw and it was only 1999 TV good.

            HHH's character was specifically tailored for people who didn't like the Rock as a face and that was me. My "I am the Game" shirt was the Y2K equivalent of an I Hate Elvis pin. But he was good on the mic, giving in the ring, and his valet was cute.

            Also, Rock vs HHH is my favorite WWE feud in history and I actually have the SHFiguarts figures of Rock and HHH from that era on my stereo speakers because of it. I do not believe just anyone could have played the role of HHH in 2000. Like Big Show couldn't have done it and Benoit couldn't have done it but HHH was the total package. Believe it or not, HHH was a smark darling from 2000-2002 when he returned and stopped being so giving.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As someone who is 31 years old and also lived through all of this real time I just remember me and all my homies fricking hated Triple H and would seethe every time he’d go over Rock or another of our favorites. Which I guess means he was doing his job as a heel nevertheless.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He got the Foley special at Royal Rumble 2000 and didn't squander it. It wasn't that he'd win but that, for the most part, he'd make his opponent look really good during the match. Begging and pleading off Rikishi made him in 2000 for example. Before the Foley match, his only good title defense was vs Billy Gunn on Raw and it was only 1999 TV good.

        HHH's character was specifically tailored for people who didn't like the Rock as a face and that was me. My "I am the Game" shirt was the Y2K equivalent of an I Hate Elvis pin. But he was good on the mic, giving in the ring, and his valet was cute.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HHH being up there with the greatest of the Attitude Era as far as his own individual talents and star power is the revisionist history of all time

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking kek at this picture. Yes HHH was a top guy I would say (at least for what he offered as a heel) but he wasn’t crème de la creme like a Stone Cold or Rocky. Not even close.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Very /woo/tist image. Kirt got gangbanged by a pack of furries in 2019

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hunter was a dependable Jack of all trades back then. Not particularly excellent at anything but rock solid at everything. No shame in that or making the most of his opportunities.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >“Midcard for life”-Shawn Michaels on HHH
    >Actually would’ve been midcard for life had he not been politicking in the Kliq and nutted in Macho Man’s sloppy seconds

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Top 3 of the time were Austin, Rock, Foley
    Vince doesn't count

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who tf has ever tried to claim Trips was ever in the level of the two GOAT’s of the Attitude Era aside from Steph and the kids?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was below them for sure but so was literally everyone. They were two of the biggest draws of all time both going in the same company and era. HHH was above everyone else, but nowhere close to Austin or Rock

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Top 3 of the time were Austin, Rock, Foley
      Vince doesn't count

      Sry forgot Foley. Yeah he was clear 4th

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      HHH wasn’t Taker or Foley

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Id have to look it up but pretty sure HHH beat taker in ppv sales when working with same level guys, like HHH/Austin outdrew Taker/Austin. But dont quote me its been a long ass time since I looked into it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Taker in the attitude era legitimately sucked. Horrible promo and horrible matches. He was on top because WWE literally had nobody else to play heel to Austin, which is also why they had to build up Rock at such a young age.

        Takers entire legacy was saved by his string of great mania matches from WM21-30.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As said in this thread, Paul has a great figure and was a solid ring hand. But that's it. He was a dime a dozen of typical meathead wrestlers of the era. But he was very good at backstage politicking and mostly got where he is because Vince was a moron. That's the truth.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is not accurate. The dime a dozen guys couldn't string 3 words together in a convincing way. I actually completely dropped WCW when it dawned on me that I would rather listen to a HHH promo on Raw than watch a match on Nitro.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        His promos were trash and one-note, much like himself. The only times his speaking segments did well were when the actual stars stepped out and confronted him - Rock, Austin, Jericho (who was always entertaining as frick on the mic), Mick Foley, and even Vince McMahon.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2000 HHH used to be the standard of pro wrestling but it got lost through time

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The main event/big stars of the Attitude era were

    Austin
    Rock
    HBK (During his time in DX/Commissioner)

    [POWERGAP]

    Everybody else. Anything else is revionist bs

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HHH came into his own in 2000, but he was merely trading Foley's spot for his and Foley was arguably more influential and popular, and thus HHH was an inferior replacement.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here in Australia I meet a lot of people who rate Hhh and taker as their favourites. Hhh is definitely more over than you guys make out even if he is a shitter compared to the greats.

    Benoit is mega over down here too.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The anon above was pretty close, but tier ranking went like this through the heights of the attitude era.

    >Austin
    >Rock
    >Vince
    >Undertaker
    >Mankind
    >Kane
    >HHH in trunks/ corporate ministry/ my time. He learned pretty quick he'd never be a face, given the strengths of his peers, so he went with 'darth vader,' by his own admission in one of the dvd interviews.

    Cool thing you'd only know if you watched all attutude era tv: mick foley (mankind, if you dont know) elevated every wrestler on this list to mainevent status --from the midcard-- by allowing them to shoot beat the shit out of his head with chairs to sell their brutality as threats. Foley was legit everyones punching bag and was STILL more over than everyone but a handful of goats.

    Thats why he's moronic now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but tier ranking went like this through the heights of the attitude era.
      maybe on planet 1998

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was definitely the top heel. I hated that homie for real as a kid

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Triple H were on the same level as Rock/Hogan, his RA run on top wouldn't have sent the ratings and buy rates plummeting.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nor would have his babyface run been such a hilarious failure.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HHH's best promo work came when shitting on daniel bryan as a B+ player

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a trick question, OP.

    The AE was carried by The Rock & Austin. They were literally so hot they were in there own tier, you could say. You knew if you saw Rock or Austin, hell, even Vince, you knew shit was about to be good.

    HHH was different; people loved DX, and HHH was a standout, and he was a big deal, but not as big as Austin/Rock were. He wouldn't get to that same level until the whole The Game schtick came into play and he started using a sledgehammer.

    In essence, it'd be something like...

    >S Tier
    Austin
    Rock
    Vince

    >A Tier
    Mankind
    Kane
    Hunter

    >B Tier
    Rikishi
    Jericho
    Undertaker
    Edge / Christian
    Hardy Boyz
    Angle
    Dudley Boys
    DX ( X-Pac, Road Dogg / Billy Gunn )
    Too Cool

    You then had the WCW Guys that came in, like Eddie and Benoit, that were hot in WCW but took until RA to became huge stars.

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