Should he have been AEW champion or was Samoa Joe the right choice?

Should he have been AEW champion or was Samoa Joe the right choice? Also do you like the conservative booking or does AEW need shorter changes?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Switchblade outside of being taken care of monetarily has to feel like shit. He was a main eventer and former world champ in New Japan and AEW MURDERED whatever international star power he came over with and he's been MidBlade amateur hour ever since. Absolutely killed his aura/how people perceive him now.

    He started to pick up a little bit of steam with the formation of Bullet Club Gold which was a promising up and coming stable and Tony thought it was a great idea to have his stable form a bigger stable with the shoot gay butt friends and form the Gay Sex Scissors Crew. Whatever White had built up for himself prior to AEW has been put through the wood chipper.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Switchblade vs Edge/Copeland has been one of my personal dream matches for years. I feel like their two styles would mesh so well together in both promos and in match.

      But no. Gay Sex Pistols Group was the move. There are so many obvious better moves for some of these guys and Tony just has them float around.

      Also wtf does "Guns Up" even mean when they do the "if you're not down with that we have two words for ya" bit? I get it, they're copying DX. But DX's thing was SUCK IT meant "suck my dick if you don't like this". Tf does "Guns Up" mean?

      >Breathe with the switchblade

      Always interpreted this as "you are all part of MY movement MY era whether you know it or not, you're all playing MY game". Something of that energy.

      Guns up doesn't confuse me as a whole just as the answer to the "we've got two words for ya" thing. Although your theories sound plausible. I just wish they made that a little clearer or clear at all because as is it doesn't make any sense what they mean by that.

      boilin'

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He should've been the one but I'm more curious about what happens to him now. Once he gets out of this trios mess, have him beat Roddy for the International Title since he never got revenge on The Kingdom. Give him a long and dominant reign with the belt. Then finish moving him back into the main event scene when he finally does lose it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They’re probably going drag out this trios unification shit. I have no desire to see Jay White vs. Billy Gunn. He should be feuding with cope for the TNT title.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Switchblade vs Edge/Copeland has been one of my personal dream matches for years. I feel like their two styles would mesh so well together in both promos and in match.

        But no. Gay Sex Pistols Group was the move. There are so many obvious better moves for some of these guys and Tony just has them float around.

        Also wtf does "Guns Up" even mean when they do the "if you're not down with that we have two words for ya" bit? I get it, they're copying DX. But DX's thing was SUCK IT meant "suck my dick if you don't like this". Tf does "Guns Up" mean?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s in the same realm as “Breathe with the Switchblade”. He’s trying I guess. Trying to cook up some catchphrases and get something going so why not riff on something that’s already over? I think he’s just a moronic Kiwi and something gets lost in the translation even though he allegedly speaks English.

          Maybe it means, if you’re not down with us draw your weapon? Or if you’re not done with us we’ll pull our guns on you? I don’t fricking know. What does Breathe with the switchblade mean?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Breathe with the switchblade

            Always interpreted this as "you are all part of MY movement MY era whether you know it or not, you're all playing MY game". Something of that energy.

            Guns up doesn't confuse me as a whole just as the answer to the "we've got two words for ya" thing. Although your theories sound plausible. I just wish they made that a little clearer or clear at all because as is it doesn't make any sense what they mean by that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I like Jay White. In theory anyway. He’s got a good look, he’s fine to watch in the ring and more importantly than anything he’s 30. Most of the guys that get billed as new young stars are 40 these days. He’s got time. The Darby thing or something like it should have happened probably as soon as he came to AEW or very shortly thereafter instead of months of trios matches and tagging.

            That being said his promos are really weird. his talking style at pressers is perfectly fine but when he tries to do in-ring stuff and catchphrases it’s always slightly skewed and doesn’t really make sense. It’s almost like New Zealand is Planet moron. Or he knows he’s not making sense but thinks it’s catchy anyway.
            >We got two words for ya…Guns Up
            >I am the catalyst of pro wrestling
            >breathe with the switchblade
            He should just do his Knife Pervert stuff and talk about dried cummies on the bellies of fat marks and call people fricks and wankers and b***hes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>We got two words for ya…Guns Up
            dx parody
            >>I am the catalyst of pro wrestling
            means the same thing as 'island of relevancy'
            with the switchblade
            slashing your throat with a (switch)blade

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Im autistic obviously. Not moronic. I get the gist of what he’s saying. But what’s saying doesn’t mean what he thinks he’s saying. If you need to try and reinterpret this stuff and twist it to make sense it’s an absolute failure as a catchphrase. When DX said their spiel, it meant something. If you don’t like what we’re saying, suck our dicks. Simple. Just like :
            smell what The Rock is cooking
            Thats the bottom line
            you can’t teach that
            Acknowledge me
            Compare that with the stuff he’s tried to get over the last few years.

            If you don’t like that we got two words for you…perform the Bullet Club Gold hand sign. That is not an homage, that’s dumb. I am the catalyst of pro wrestling does not remotely resemble “Island of Relevancy”. It’s a slightly incorrect way of saying “I’m going to not only change the landscape but the very template of wrestling”. If you’re going to rework someone else’s shit maybe don’t do Damien Sandow’s historically goofy TNA promo. And breath with the Switchblade is just gay. You can breathe with a knife to your throat. You can probably breathe with one in your throat for a while. He’s not stabbing anyone. He doesn’t do any sort of submission chokes. He does a cool looking cutter with a goofy name. These work in Japan because they have no clue what he’s fricking saying.

            Maybe Jay White should just try being himself cranked up to 11. Because the character he tries to play just doesn't work.

            Yeah, that’s the tldr version of what I mean I guess. If Moxley can pretend to be a Death Jitsu grandmaster than just let Jay White do his naughty words cranky guy thing. Call people wankers and piss pots and old irrelevant fricks in a conversational way. His cat phrase should just be You Little WankMaggot. Just let him stop doing the DX thing and talking about his Assboys.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe Jay White should just try being himself cranked up to 11. Because the character he tries to play just doesn't work.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't matter what he does. I guess he could shave that dumb goatee and reinvent himself in AEW, but even his theme song now is gay as frick. The guy is buried and his career in AEW is over

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Whatever he does. Going back to that horrid knife pervert gimmick is both the most AEW thing and worst possible thing he could do right now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Switchblade is never tasting the main event, Ospreay, Swerve and Okada all need turns before him

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    switchy isnt over enough to be champ

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He’s a proper heel. Why does he need to be “over”.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        are you pretending to be stupid? being over means people care about you. he's over to a degree but not nearly enough to be world champ. he'd crash the ratings like riho.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He’s good at getting heat when he needs to. He’s just been booked as a tweener nobody cares about.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People need to fundamentally give a shit about you and tuning in to see you whether you're a heel or face.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They all but buried him to earth's core. You think he's not over enough after that?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He had no chance to begin with. MJF fricking buried him with that match last year.
    >B-But wrestlers don't book their own matches!!
    Oh yeah? The Rocky movie shit they did with Punk was literally Moxley's idea. It's not hard to imagine Tony just nodding and going "Yes, sure! That sounds like a great idea" to his main event level wrestlers. The MJF vs Jay White match was exactly something MJF would propose, Tony would say yes to and White would go along with because he was trying to be a team player.

    When people like Mercedes and Ospreay praise the "creative freedom in AEW", what they really mean is that they can book their own matches because their boss is a fricking moron.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He should never have interacted with babyface MJF & stuck around in the midcard feuding with Cassidy for the international title until they had something better for him in the main event scene. It will take him a while to recover but I really like the simple effectiveness of making him a psycho heel again. That segment with him attacking Darby & the acclaimed was what he should’ve always been, not a juvenile delinquent with Juice and the Gunns

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jay sucks, is dimeless, and is a geek homosexual. He was never good and deserved to get buried.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He should have been the Devil and gone over

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He can always be there to be built back up to be a heel transitional champion. He experienced that in New Japan in between the old and new belts.

    A few weeks of winning & kayfabe can do it.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Danielson should have won instead of MJF and lost to Jay White at Wembley, Samoa Joe still gets the world title at the end of 2023 and Bullet Club Gold ends up feuding with the Don Calis family

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kek this is fricking AWFUL. The promotion had been foreshadowing an MJF title reign since Day 1, cucking out your originals for the ex-WWE talents is TNA level clownery

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Danielson should've gotten the belt but at World's End instead of Joe

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, title order actually should go
      >Jericho (Inaugural)
      >Moxley (Revolution '20)
      >Omega (Winter is Coming)
      >Danielson (Grand Slam '21)
      >Hangman (Revolution '22) - No feud with Punk, defends against Omega at All Out
      >MJF (Revolution '23)
      >Jay White (Full Gear '23)
      >Swerve (Dynasty '23)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This looks even more ridiculous when you put it with those other names.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Should've been Jericho-Moxley-Omega-Hangman and then Danielson immediately takes it. Hangman wasn't even close to being ready for the world title in 2021-2022 and only Hangman simps disagree.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He lost to MJF who was supposed to be off for injury weeks before. That wet fart of a match knocked him down to the midcard and he will stay down unless swerve or Ospreay are gone.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I really don't know how White can get back to any real semblance of a main event star again. They killed him and then didn't even give him the consolation prize of winning the continental classic tournament.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kek it's really been an entire year of squealing over NO SWITCHY!?

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If AEW was a serious promotion he could've had a solid Heel run as Champion and put someone over. Sure Jay White is a skinny manlet with abs, but that would've worked just fine in AEW. His promos aren't the best when they go long, so you just don't put him in that position to begin with. Beyond that he's a very good worker, and his in-ring psychology is great. Which is how he could've put a lot of people over as a Heel by unironically giving a Babyface a Great Match that people would actually remember for more than a week because that match actually mattered because it was built up for a World Title match.

    But Tony is a pussy ass coke head schizo who is just playing with his toys, and lets the wrestlers tell him "that don't work for me brother" all the time apparently. Case in point he let MJF absolutely destroy White as soon as he showed up with one of his Smark Internet Shoot promos while White just sat in the corner of the ring taking it, and then responded by actually trying to sell the match instead of going for cheap heat.

    Jay White isn't the second coming of anybody, but Tony completely misused him early on and wasted whatever potential was there to use White to add something to AEW and elevate the promotion.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tony has historically wasted EVERYBODY he's gotten his hands on from the get go. Remember pre-AEW everyone was so scared to see free agents go and get wasted in the WWE? Now I'd rather see free agents go to the Fed than see them do absolutely nothing in AEW.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >go to the Fed
        To do what? You're saying this obviously in bad faith because you've never watched AEW but Andrade's been there for 2 months and has literally done nothing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Heel
      >Babyface
      >Great Match
      >Smark Internet Shoot

      Improper nouns are the easiest tell of mental illness KEK

      Tony has historically wasted EVERYBODY he's gotten his hands on from the get go. Remember pre-AEW everyone was so scared to see free agents go and get wasted in the WWE? Now I'd rather see free agents go to the Fed than see them do absolutely nothing in AEW.

      I'm sure you would, ya bacon-reeking swine.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dont think either are necessarily a worse decision.
    Joe's doing great as a champion. I really like him.
    Hkwever, Jay White not winning that MJF match was just bullshit and made him look weak as hell. I can't say how he would have been as a champion, but if he wasn't going to win then they shouldnt have booked that finish.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >losing dirty made Jay look weak as hell

      Nah, title order actually should go
      >Jericho (Inaugural)
      >Moxley (Revolution '20)
      >Omega (Winter is Coming)
      >Danielson (Grand Slam '21)
      >Hangman (Revolution '22) - No feud with Punk, defends against Omega at All Out
      >MJF (Revolution '23)
      >Jay White (Full Gear '23)
      >Swerve (Dynasty '23)

      Grand Slam wasn't a title match

      >no feud with Punk, defends against Omega

      this sucks tbh

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is what would have happened if TK wasn't moronic

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With AEW it doesn't really matter who the champ is. They have their die hard troony fans and that's it. No draws to bring in new people and the people who dislike the product aren't coming back

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No draws to bring in new people and the people who dislike the product aren't coming back

      Sounds like the last quarter-century of WWE

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jay shoulda just went to NXT
    Its not going bad for him in AEW but he's just caught in the mix over there
    In NXT he would have been more of a power player

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ojama meltdown

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His feud with Punk would have been so fun to watch, instead he jobbed to some israelite with one broken leg and it takes him 20 minutes to beat some random jobber luchadore shitter on Rampage tapings

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All I know was I watched Full Gear and it was absolute insanity that he didn't win, MJF was Super Saiyan Goku Hogan Cena on steroids

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Also do you like the conservative booking or does AEW need shorter changes?
    >conservative booking
    ????????
    What the hell is "conservative booking" supposed to mean in the context of AEW? Actual conservative booking would be: the most popular wrestlers get pushed to the top of the card and feud with each other while storylines revolve around simple universal shit the masses can relate to(like man vs his boss pic related). Unpopular wrestlers get released. AEW's booking is a clusterfrick where guys get thrown in factions and forgotten about, pulled off TV for no apparent reason, champions are having competitive matches against jobbers, literally whos are running around everywhere, and cold matches are always the order of the day. What on Earth is that booking supposed to conserve? But in answer to year question, yeah, Joe was the right choice. He's better than Jay.
    >but Joe isn't really movie the needle as champion
    Nobody in AEW can move the needle as champion at this point.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should have hotshotted it to Christian between Full Gear and Worlds End.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Craig T. Nelson

    Darby over Samoa Joe in a classic. Don't frick this up, Tony.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      90lb skater boi who is literally built like a child beats down a 300lb Samoan who's leg might shoot weigh as much as Darby

      Yeah I like to try and suspend my disbelief as much as the next guy but that's a hard sell.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jay is dog shit, looks like a rat, has a disgusting accent, is a SHIT promo, is overly small and skinny and his matches are ass. To cap it all off he isn't over and hasn't come remotely close to being over in AEW. Anyone telling you this chump should be anything other than solid midcarder is actively lying to you. Jay is on the same level as Ricky Starks, but his fans are even more deluded.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I have no clue how they are going to bring White back from how bad they killed him. He came in ready to fricking go and they sacrificed whatever star he had for what ultimately winds up being absolutely nothing. Like I'm at a loss thinking of ways to bring Switchblade back from the dead here.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You bring him back the same way you bring anybody back in wrestling. Give him a lot of TV time where he cuts good promos and beats a lot of people.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This, just let him brag about ruining Darby's dream of doing Everest this year.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. They should've had an upper midcard gatekeeper belt and put it on him. But they failed to make the "All Atlantic International Bullshit" title feel big, and they ruined the TNT belt by essentially calling it the TV Title. White, Cole, Cassidy, these should never be World Champ, which means a least 2 of them will.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It needs more surprises in the main event scene. I feel like everybody with above 30 IQ knows 6 months out what is going to happen in the main event scene.

    Having Joe in your championship history is probably a good call though, and this is one of the last opportunities to do so. Jay has a lot of time ahead of him

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm 50/50 on it. Jay would have been great but I like seeing Joe have his moment while he can. Jay's 31 and has plenty of time.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Joe is way more based than this bum. Next champ should be Will.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AEW needs one or two shorter world title reigns to make it feel like it might happen without being forced.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Should he have been AEW champion or was Samoa Joe the right choice?
    I think I prefer Samoa Joe, but if Jay had just beaten MJF at Full Gear, that honestly probably would've been fine too. The story was really, really goofy, but if Jay had just destroyed MJF's leg and beat him, he could've moved on from the silly garbage and been a good heel world champ. Jay would be a very good heel to feud with Swerve or Ospreay.

    As it stands, I think I prefer Joe because I'm just fond of the idea of Joe finally getting to be world champ of a major league promotion. Feels like a guy who's been great for a really long time finally getting some recognition for it. And it's not like Joe's doing a bad job, he's been a great world champ, the perfect guy to wash the taste of MJF's reign out of our mouths.

    >Also do you like the conservative booking or does AEW need shorter changes?
    I like long world title reigns. I think the world title needs to be protected in that way, title changes should feel really meaningful because you've beaten a guy that's already proven himself to be a worthy champion by dispatching a lot of worthy contenders and I generally believe that you shouldn't do too many shocking things with your top title, because a lot of the time, the thing that's predictable is predictable because it makes sense and you want to do the thing that makes sense. But that's just in general, you don't want your title to get too predictable either, so some quick shocking changes every so often can be good too.

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