So the best teams will play more often? What's the problem?

So the best teams will play more often? What's the problem?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we need less games not more

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How many games do Euro, or Dutch clubs play per season more or less? 60~70ish?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no way, a club playing a european tournament and reaching the final + reaching the final of the national cup + national and continental supercups + world cup + national league would play about 70 games, and to do that they'd have to be the reigning champions of several competitions while faring incredibly well in the current season, which is far from the norm. the average Euro club is playing 50 games a season at most.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And that's a lot? Our teams travel bigger distances, in all kinds of different biomes and can play up to 70~90 games a season. Euro clubs have enough money to buy other players for a 2nd unit if needed

          Isn't the only difference the two extra group stage matches and the playoff-round for group stage places 9 to 24?

          If this is an acceptable format will extremely depend on how the group stage matches are decided.

          The biggest downside to me is the fact some teams will be able to get in the top 8 in the first 4 games and just rest knowing they will still be there when the group stage is over

          this new format is better especially the no teams dropping down to the EL stuff, devalues the EL too much

          Agree. I always thought that was moronic. It's like dropping the bottom half of the 1st domestic tier and having them play against the top half of the 2nd tier to see who wins... The 2nd tier. It made no sense.

          UEFA has ruined national competitions by pumping tons of money into the CL and distributing it almost exclusively to a small group of clubs, who now happen to usually make up the entire quarterfinal roster. These clubs can, for the most part, still not work economically, they always need to grow, grow, grow. But because UEFA makes tons of money with them (after all, the Indian/American/Chinese/Arab/African bandwagoners won't choose AIK Solna), they have decided to dial this to 11/10 by pumping even more money into it for the big clubs, and of course by going for the trusted "more games = more money" method. This format will make the competition even more one-sided, and the same will happen to national leagues. One of UEFA's reasons for doing this was because "the group stages are mostly redundant" - that is a problem they created themselves, but instead of solving it, they're making it worse and hide it to cash in. Also, they'll allow big clubs to qualify based on "historic merit" instead of actual current performance
          Regarding the format itself: playing 8 opponents based on a coefficient is a stupid idea, especially since an algorithm decides which teams are supposedly of equal strength. It's a needlessly complicated and intransparent format, as is having home and away swap like this. Also, the playoff round is garbage. You do all of this to go from 36 to 24, and then the 9th best team still has to play the 24th? While the best 8 sit on their asses? It's a stupid format, and that's without UEFA shoving even more games down our throats. Only the most moronic consumers can look at this and say "Wow, what a good idea!"

          And no, this isn't about the Super League. Both approaches suck. Giving greedy club israelites their own money-making competition and letting UEFA do the same - it doesn't make a difference. Both sides suck and are about to ruin football because they want profit

          You made some really good points, but as someone who has always thought multination leagues would be good for Euro footie, I fail to see this whole thing as negative.

          we should abandon UEFA competitions all together (at club level at least), and put a hard limit on foreign signings

          BASED.

          upsets mean nothing anymore, no big name will stumble ever again

          >upsets mean nothing anymore, no big name will stumble ever again
          Eh. Less likely sure, but it will still happen. Manure still exists after all

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >70~90 games
            That's severly fricked up.
            I think there should be a cap for all teams to not play more than 46 games per season with 1 game per week (6 weeks holydays).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When this season is over, Leverkusen will have played 53 competition games this season. And while Florian Wirtz didn't play in every Leverkusen game, he did play in all eight games for the German national team going back to the start of the season, and he is considered a no-brainer for the nomination this Euro, so at minimum he will play between five and nine games more.
        In short, the combination of successful club and successful NT would yield about 70 possible games per season, excluding Supercups.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For a premier league team:

        38 league games
        +
        13 CL games (if you make the final)
        +
        6 FA Cup games (if you make the final and no replays)
        +
        9 League Cup games (if you make the final)
        +
        Community shield (if you're in it)
        +
        9 Club World Cup games (if you make the final)

        75~ max if you played every FA cup replay it would be 79

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >50% increase in matches
      Oh frick off.

      >70~90 games
      That's severly fricked up.
      I think there should be a cap for all teams to not play more than 46 games per season with 1 game per week (6 weeks holydays).

      >I love this sport so much I want less games of it

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like how arbitrary group stage pairings will be and that no team can drop down to EL. Extra matches are gay but they're only going to add 2 to 3 per club so it could be worse. This would be decent with a revamped coefficient system tailored to the format

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't like how arbitrary group stage pairings will be
      It's not, they will pair teams of the 'same level'. It be good enough
      >that no team can drop down to EL.
      That is good for the EL, seeing UCL teams going down and winning a UEL that could as well go to a smaller team that was playing well from the beginning is revolting sometimes

      Thank G*d the super league didnt ruin our league uefaxisters!

      Yeah, this is clearly an answer, but I don't think it's as bad as people make it to be

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they will pair teams of the 'same level'
        The logic behind it's too unclear, they haven't even revealed how the algorithm that will extract the matchup works. If they clarify the process it will get better.
        >no drop downs are good for EL
        More often than not dropped down clubs don't make it to the final (not counting Sevilla), it would be alright

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          25 teams from the top leagues, 2 previous CL and EL winners, 2 additional spots for Italy and Germany, 7 for the remaining leagues that need to go through a qualifying tournament.

          The 36 teams are ranked into 4 pots according to their UEFA club coefficient (this time). Each team will play 2 teams from each pot (single leg, no home and away games anymore), one at home and one away.
          >how do they select the matchups?
          Not sure, I think they have a ready table and schedule for the 8 match days (say with placeholders A1,...,A8, B1,...,B8, C1,...,C8, D1,...,D8) and they distribute the teams randomly to the placeholders of their pot, after the qualification stage.

          The draw for the first qualifications is on 18 June 2024, for the league phase on 29 August 2024

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Not sure
            They will be using a swiss-system similar to chess. Now, we don't know if they will draw the opponents based on initial coefficient (which is moronic but it is a way they could rig it), or if they will do the proper way (drawing each new opponent by round).

            >A Swiss-system tournament is a non-eliminating tournament format that features a fixed number of rounds of competition, but considerably fewer than for a round-robin tournament; thus each competitor (team or individual) does not play all the other competitors. Competitors meet one-on-one in each round and are paired using a set of rules designed to ensure that each competitor plays opponents with a similar running score, but does not play the same opponent more than once. The winner is the competitor with the highest aggregate points earned in all rounds. With an even number of participants, all competitors play in each round.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also I think that the wording of their statements is a little misleading. What they meant with "equal strength teams" is that there will be SOME matchups between equal strength teams from the beginning.
            In the actual group phase, the 8 "strongest" teams are seeded in their groups and will only face each other in the ko phase. Same with tier 2,3,4 teams, there is only one of each in each group, and they will only face equal strength teams in the ko phase, if they advance and are paired against each other.
            With the new system, each team will have to play two of the top ranked teams and two of tier 2,3,4 in the league phase. Compared to the old system (6 games against teams from each tier except the own), going from 6 games to 8 games, they added two games against "equal strength" teams of the same tier.

            May be interesting to see Real vs. Man City on day 1, but on the other hand, you will also have matchups between weak tier 4 teams on the same day. Good for fans of the teams, I suppose.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That is good for the EL, seeing UCL teams going down and winning a UEL that could as well go to a smaller team that was playing well from the beginning is revolting sometimes

        Hear, hear

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no team can drop down to EL
      This is a good thing. There'll now be what amounts to a 2nd place vs 3rd place CL group playoff which ought to be kino

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thank G*d the super league didnt ruin our league uefaxisters!

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't the only difference the two extra group stage matches and the playoff-round for group stage places 9 to 24?

    If this is an acceptable format will extremely depend on how the group stage matches are decided.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this new format is better especially the no teams dropping down to the EL stuff, devalues the EL too much

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no teams dropping down to the EL
      this tbh, they should always have been separate competitions, why give CL teams another shot if they frick up the groups

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    UEFA has ruined national competitions by pumping tons of money into the CL and distributing it almost exclusively to a small group of clubs, who now happen to usually make up the entire quarterfinal roster. These clubs can, for the most part, still not work economically, they always need to grow, grow, grow. But because UEFA makes tons of money with them (after all, the Indian/American/Chinese/Arab/African bandwagoners won't choose AIK Solna), they have decided to dial this to 11/10 by pumping even more money into it for the big clubs, and of course by going for the trusted "more games = more money" method. This format will make the competition even more one-sided, and the same will happen to national leagues. One of UEFA's reasons for doing this was because "the group stages are mostly redundant" - that is a problem they created themselves, but instead of solving it, they're making it worse and hide it to cash in. Also, they'll allow big clubs to qualify based on "historic merit" instead of actual current performance
    Regarding the format itself: playing 8 opponents based on a coefficient is a stupid idea, especially since an algorithm decides which teams are supposedly of equal strength. It's a needlessly complicated and intransparent format, as is having home and away swap like this. Also, the playoff round is garbage. You do all of this to go from 36 to 24, and then the 9th best team still has to play the 24th? While the best 8 sit on their asses? It's a stupid format, and that's without UEFA shoving even more games down our throats. Only the most moronic consumers can look at this and say "Wow, what a good idea!"

    And no, this isn't about the Super League. Both approaches suck. Giving greedy club israelites their own money-making competition and letting UEFA do the same - it doesn't make a difference. Both sides suck and are about to ruin football because they want profit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This 100%.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This 100%.

      The main problem is that two mediocre "big name" matches earns UEFA more money than one outstanding big name game that only happens every few years.
      It's like Disney and Star Wars, they're gonna milk this shit until it's finally dead, and I myself look forward to it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, the playoff round is garbage. You do all of this to go from 36 to 24, and then the 9th best team still has to play the 24th? While the best 8 sit on their asses? It's a stupid format,

      I didn't really get what he means, can someone elaborate please?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they'll allow big clubs to qualify based on "historic merit" instead of actual current performance
      Didn't this get scrapped?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They are using the UEFA club coefficient this time, which consists of the results in European competitions of the last 5 seasons - there is a little bit of "historic merit". I'm not sure about the next years (who knows if they even keep the format or change it).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They are using the UEFA club coefficient
          For seeding, not qualification

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we should abandon UEFA competitions all together (at club level at least), and put a hard limit on foreign signings

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    upsets mean nothing anymore, no big name will stumble ever again

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Single group but teams only play few others at random" is some moronic American shit especially when it could have been just four 10 team groups.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh it's some secret algorithm, that's even more gay than random.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the algorithm is
        >Real vs terrible Shitters
        >top 8 teams vs shitters who intentionally break legs
        >your team vs teams they won't have a chance of beating

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly the current group stage of the UCL sucks. The last couple of matches for many teams are pointless since they've often already assured qualification. Some teams end up in really easy groups while others end up in a group of death. And 3rd place dropping into the Europa League ends up ruining that competition, although eliminating 3rd place in a group of death (e.g. AC Milan this year) from European football for the rest of the season would admittedly be a harsh punishment.

    This new system does seem like a more objective way of deciding the best teams in Europe to progress to the latter stages of the competition. It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternatives. The only real issue is that they're forcing clubs to play more games in an already crowded fixture list. I don't completely buy the notion that upsets will be impossible in the new format, 9th-24th qualify for a play-off place so that opens the door for plenty of upsets in the round of 32 (even if the top 8 will likely consist of the teams everyone expects).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The last couple of matches for many teams are pointless since they've often already assured qualification.
      guess what, that's gonna be even worse now with the new system

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's the opposite actually, since all the teams are in a single table the ranking will likely change quite drastically on every matchday.

        we need less games not more

        >50% increase in matches
        Oh frick off.

        >play more often

        here's your problem

        people who complain bc their favorite millionaire crybaby is forced to play 4-5 games more per season are gays. also national leagues should have 16-18 teams at most

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah you're a gay though

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >50% increase in matches
    Oh frick off.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >play more often

    here's your problem

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no superleague
    why even bother

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Enjoy Cadiz away

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is why we need fricking Super League! It would put a stop to this fricking nonsense!

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Each team will play two opponents from each pot
    > eight games against eight different opponents (four at home&four away)
    1-how they decide the home/away games?
    2-can clubs from the same country face each-other in the group stage?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably by adding the coefficient of each opponent and having the total be around a certain range

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >those last two pots
      dear christ

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sovl

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What is the boldface for?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        teams that are guaranteed in the CL (because of ranking in the top leagues). But it's an old pic, more teams are also already guaranteed in (Bologna and Liverpool for example).

        Note that 7 teams are selected through the qualification phase of weaker leagues, so the list can't be finalized until then. Also the ranking may change slightly because of the ongoing European tournaments (the shown points are probably also old, Leverkusen has 90 at the moment and if they win the EL finals they will probably land in pot 1 instead of Barcelona).

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern football is so fricking gay. I will not only not learn this new format, I won't watch single continental club match from this point forward.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This doesn't bother me because I stopped caring about football ages ago. I just left before I got to witness the full complete destruction of football

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can play 8 games in the 'group' stage.
    win 1 (against compete shitters who lose 8/8), draw 1. And lose 6.
    and still fricking qualify
    complete circus

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no fricking way
      how

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they play 144 games to reduce 32 to 24.
        you get (invariably) 4 teams who wont win a game, then maybe another 4 who win one, against the shitters above. From 8. The rest 'qualify'. i'm not making this up.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >32 to 24
          *36 to 24

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This was supposed to be a cup between the league champions of each individual association.
    This is bullshit

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get it

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >competition is called UEFA Champions League
    >Is actually a tournament, not a league
    >Try to change it into a league
    >People get mad

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >have a 36 team league
      >play random 1/4 of it, to no fricking apparent
      >random home or away
      >?
      >profit

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no problem at all. Those clubs have deeper squads and the players are paid very well to entertain us.

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