What's the difference?

seirously. What's the difference? same fricking character, they even look similar. Why was one of them a fricking comedy character hanging with santino while the other is presented as some star?

Why are wrestlers who are midcarders at best being presented as main eventers now?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    triple h

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gunther is literally the best in-ring wrestler in the world, in any promotion. That's why he's presented as a star.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kozlov was an unrepentant shitter in the ring.

      Gunther is top 5 in the world and is carrying your workhorse title. It's a perfect fit for him.
      What's the problem?

      how? what makes him so good? he does like 3 moves and they look different every time. Powerbomb, chop, shitty splash, look at them, he does them differently every time. 0 consistency

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrestling is about more than "movez movez movez," anon. Even so, you're grossly exaggerating.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you said he's good in the ring. what makes him good in the ring?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >timing
            Being in the right place at the right time. Never missing a spot, not botching. Wrestling clean. This is why people saw Shawn Michaels is great -- it ain't because of his movez, kid.
            >psychology
            Having the things you do in ring remain consistent with the story you are telling in it. If your opponent is a striker and has a kick finisher, go after his leg, build a story around his deficiency. Match planning with your opponent/calling things in the ring is a big part of this, being able to adapt on the fly.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what psychology are you talking about exactly? he just stares angrily at his opponent and sometimes screams. also kinda hard to take your first point seriously when, as i mentioned, every move he does looks different every time he does it. HBK doing anything looks the same everytime

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he literally explained why his psychology work, moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            except he doesn't do that. he does the same shit to everyone. chop, splash, clothesline, powerbomb. ORTON is someone with good ring psychology

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wrestling is a sport for morons, and yet you are still too moronic for it. Maybe try UFC.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            explains why gunther is popular now i suppose

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        jesus fricking christ you are such an annoying little troony homosexual, unbelievable that something low brow like fricking pro wrestling is something you don't even get

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he's good
          >how is he good?
          >h-h-hhe's good ok! troony!

          >i'm a woman
          >no you're not. how are you a woman?
          >I-i just am, ok?

          literally troony tier reasoning

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        average e-drone. have a nice day or at least never come back to this board

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          how is what i'm saying wrong?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if you don't get why Gunther is good then you're not even equipped to have a discussion about wrestling. Stick to soap operas or movies or whatever the frick you're stupid enough to understand.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            explain it to me please you man-bra wearing philosopher

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's just your self-insert, I bet you're upset he lost weight and you can't

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Gunther's a frail looking shitter

            Him being skinny is the only criticism you can make for him. He doesn't need to be fat but his current state is bad.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if you don't get why Gunther is good then you're not even equipped to have a discussion about wrestling. Stick to soap operas or movies or whatever the frick you're stupid enough to understand.

          Gunther's a frail looking shitter

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Powerbomb, chop, shitty splash
        I know you're baiting for replies but you didn't even name all of his finishers let alone all of his moves lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Worked

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gunther is literally the best in-ring wrestler in the world, in any promotion
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      LOOK AT THE ABSOLUTE STATE & COPE OF THIS DRONIE

      • 3 weeks ago
        Fair-minded anon

        That is hardly an absurd claim. I would say Gunther is top 5 in the world in-ring. He's basically the wrestler Eddie Kingston wishes he was, a real King's Road walker whose moves don't look like complete soft shit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Let's see.
          Ospreay
          Omega
          Okada
          Danielson
          Jay White

          He's not better than any of these. And there are a number more who are debatable.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >literally who tier indie and njpw jobbers

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Let's not get too bold here, buddy. Omega is cryogenically frozen until they find a cure for terminal butthole disease, so he's not an active wrestler, and he was so fricked up in his last couple of matches you can't honestly put him on there. And I still don't get what makes Okada any better than like 100 other guys I could name off the top of my head. He's like a 6/10.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Omega had match of the year just last year. I can give you that he might come back greatly deteriorated but as of right now that's you're being a bit hasty. It's not like he got cancer, diverticulitis is a meme disease - rest for a couple of months, maybe do a surgery and you're dandy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            hold on match of the year according to who

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            According to everyone with a brain

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            According to Metlzer, and the 50 Lards who watched it?*

            (*For statistical purposes one (1) Lard is equal to 15,000 AEW fans)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's ur favorite match of last year? Don't tell me it's Cody vs Roman le cinema

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't watch wrestling, I'm just here to work the marks.
            Low-hanging fruit is still fruit and all that other clichéd nonsense.
            My favorite match of last year is a tough one, I liked the Ilja Dragunov vs Dijak matches because of how stiff they were, and every Gigi match is match of the week for me. I dunno man.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Fair-minded anon

            >And I still don't get what makes Okada any better than like 100 other guys I could name off the top of my head. He's like a 6/10.
            I can understand why you might not like Okada if you also don't like Gunther because they're great for a lot of the same reasons.

            Gunther, though, is the only best-in-the-world tier wrestler who wrestles a dominant monster heel style. Most of the other guys are very high-spotty explosive athletic guys, with the exception of Okada and Jay White, who are both more grounded, psychology driven wrestlers.
            But Gunther is the only top top level worker that works his style so that sets him apart for me.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Ospreay
            sure
            >Omega
            washed
            >Okada
            overrated
            >Danielson
            overrated (at his current age)
            >Jay White
            no

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >getting worked by all friends wrestling
            you probably have to end it all, newfriend

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kozlov was an unrepentant shitter in the ring.

    Gunther is top 5 in the world and is carrying your workhorse title. It's a perfect fit for him.
    What's the problem?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gunther is holding the midcard belt

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He’s not a manlet like kozlov was. Manlets simply don’t draw. That’s why aew keeps being unable to reach the elusive milly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shoot 6'2-3 according to rob paul

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most wrestlers are shoot 5’7-5’10 while being billed at 6’2 so it works in Gunthers favor

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they billed kozlov at 6'8 or some other bullshit like that in the beginning

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kek I'm both german and russian and I never thought about this before but they really are the same

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    k

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fun fact they’re actually related. They’re cousins

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kozlov was about 100lbs heavier and actually looked the part

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gunther is just lucky, if he debuted 15 years ago he'd be having programs with guys like Santino and JTG too, maybe even worse since he's not that tall and looks like an auschwitz runaway
    This is why I can't take people that say Gunther is one of the best, it's 100% luck that he's in the smark workrate era

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gunther can cut a promo. I don't remember Kozolv ever talking. Maybe he did, I just don't remember
    -He's booked as Super Hitler with the Third Reich intro and music. It gets you to watch. Kozolv had a boring intro and music.
    -Gunther is booked better. They didn't put him through the usual humiliation ritual after a few years like they did with monster heel guys like Kozlov, Prince Albert, Brodus Clay, etc.
    -He can put on 30 minute matches. Very good in the ring. Appeals to workrate smarks.

    So all combined, he's appealing to old school guys who like a monster foreign heel who can talk like Iron Sheik, the workrate smarks who like that he can go for a long time in the ring, and the white trash that loves the Hitler gimmick. Kozolv just didn't have any of this. He probably could have, but it really came down to booking. He just got the typical "make him work comedy" gimmick the writers do when they can't think of what to do with the big guys anymore. It worked for guys like Rikishi, but some guys just can't run with it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gunther is "serious super tough foreign dude". kozlov is "serious super tough foreign dude"
      >-Gunther is booked better. They didn't put him through the usual humiliation ritual after a few years like they did with monster heel guys like Kozlov, Prince Albert, Brodus Clay, etc.
      WHY? that is my question. WHY is he booked this well
      >Very good in the ring. Appeals to workrate smarks.

      again, how? 3 moves and they all look different every time. Oh i forgot he does clotheslines too. wow.
      >can talk like Iron Sheik

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >WHY? that is my question. WHY is he booked this well
        Because he can play the monster foreign heel well and he hasn't fricked it up yet. Kozlov did too but Vince didn't see him that way anymore after a certain point.
        >again, how? 3 moves and they all look different every time. Oh i forgot he does clotheslines too. wow.
        Watch his Mania match with Sheamus and Drew, or his matches against Dragunov. He can do more than you're saying.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          so because haitch is a mark for indie jobbers? As for the match i did watch it. sleep fest. i got more invested in CAWDY vs seff and his autistic laugh at HIAC.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Likes Seth matches
            opinion discarded

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            match, not matches.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He had a trial run in NXT UK where being unbeatable was his gimmick and it worked. And they decided it would work on the main roster.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          so why was kozlov hanging out with a crossdressing autist and doing dancing segments

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            because he was bad in the ring
            they strapped a rocket on his ass when he first debuted, he had a clean pinfall victory over triple H and was competing for the world title on PPV

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and again i ask, how is gunther any better

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only way Brodus Clay was going to get over with a monster heel gimmick was in a mask. Like a whole head and shoulders minotaur mask because he doesn't just have a funny face, his skull is shaped like a fricking pear.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gunther still gets no reactions after 2 years btw
    Doesn't sell merch, doesn't get reactions, just holds a midcard belt because Triple H is obsessed with long reigns and charisma vacuums.
    He's cooked in the main event where you actually need to draw dimes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's a heel, a dominant monster heel. Right now, he is being built for a main event run. In said run, he will actually work with babyfaces of a caliber to actually draw reactions, and he will dutifully serve as a transitional champion to put over someone like Cody again, or Roman on his face run, or whatever else fits.

      Heel Flair didn't draw and move merch either, most top heels don't. It isn't their job. Their job is to help the babyface sell their merch and get over while the feud draws people to the house, at least that's the traditional way.

      Gunther doesn't have anybody like that to work with in the IC belt (other than Chad Gable which would be the correct move 100%, could do a great underdog angle and THEN I guarantee you Gunther will get reactions).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Their job is to help the babyface sell their merch and get over
        which is also literally what he did with Gable. If you hate Gunther you're a literal low iq moron. There's no way around that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          neither of them ever drew a dime, nor will they

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gunther spent like 13 years building a name for himself before even going to NXT UK, and he had decent success.
    Kozlov was trained by WWE and his success was always going to depend on how much WWE liked him or not.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE INDIES

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick were so many people dead set on seeing Gunther go up against Lesnar? He looks like a generic CAW and is a scrawny piece of shit compared to Brock.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >BECAUSE HE WRESTLED FOR HOT DOGS AND HANDSHAKES FOR 13 YEARS AREN'T YOU PROUD?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zack Saber Jr. built whatever name he had on the back of Big Daddy Walter back in the day.
    Like it or not Gunther put in the work and paid his dues.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WHO?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Fair-minded anon

    I love all of those guys you've listed but I genuinely think Danielson's tumbled down a rank or two over previous years. If I had to compose a top 10, in no particular order, it'd probably be something like
    >Okada
    >Gunther
    >Ospreay
    >Omega
    >Jay White
    >Danielson
    >Nakajima
    >Takeshita
    >Shingo Takagi
    >Hangman
    Either way, Gunther is definitely in there and it's just dishonest to say otherwise. Even if you hate WWE to such an extreme you can no longer appreciate his work, he has a large catalog of great matches available from his time as WALTER.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Fair-minded anon

      er meant for

      Let's see.
      Ospreay
      Omega
      Okada
      Danielson
      Jay White

      He's not better than any of these. And there are a number more who are debatable.

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