Why did he have to go and ruin his legacy?

Why did he have to go and ruin his legacy?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has anyone ruined his legacy as hard as him?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Many NJPW guys had their aura killed by the AEW partnership. They did stupid shit in the RoH days but not as many saw it and they weren't as old, but NJPW still had them big-league RoH anyways, but now it has reached a level where you just can't ignore it. Somehow only Okada has survived because we already knew Okada was goofy and get the idea that he is cruising.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean more about the AEW kneeling and becoming a cringe old dude with gay ring gear and moving as if he just got done taking 9 dicks up his ass. Okada's cringe for leaving to cruise while he was supposed to still be in his prime but he was always kinda cringe.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, that's also kind of what I meant, like Suzuki, Ishii, Shibata, you just can't see them the same anymore, and it exposed how many of them are kind of well out of their prime, plus they go soft on AEW guys and job to them or play along with shit way too much. Okada, yeah, he debuted being all about money and was always a guy who liked to frick around with his friends so him choosing money and fricking around is not really a change of character, he just can't lay claim to being a top guy with ambitions beyond that anymore.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shibata was always a fake tough guy b***h. He didn't have much of a legacy before he Kwan's himself but people that started getting interested in NJPW around that time overrate him. Same with Ishii, just a midcarder that hot older, don't see how you don't see him the same anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean more about the AEW kneeling and becoming a cringe old dude with gay ring gear and moving as if he just got done taking 9 dicks up his ass. Okada's cringe for leaving to cruise while he was supposed to still be in his prime but he was always kinda cringe.

        Cope harder homosexual

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know they all jobbed out to TNA midcarders years ago too, right?
        The problem is that Tony presents them badly, so any exposure to the American audience is negative. I'm shocked that any of them agree to show up, I guess Tony pays them a lot.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Holy moron, they were jobbing when they were barely starting out, not as established stars.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          AEW presents them better than TNA ever did. He gives them big special entrances, hypes them up as being massive deals, and puts them in big matches. In TNA they'd show up, no one would have a clue who they are and they wouldn't even explain it, and they'd job out in a mid card tag or x-division match.

          The problem is that the TNA interpretation of the situation is more realistic because most people have no clue who they are. I like Naito and Kota Ibushi but using them as big surprise reveals that are supposed to get fans hyped was dumb.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I like Naito and Kota Ibushi but using them as big surprise reveals that are supposed to get fans hyped was dumb.
            Kind of a weird thing to say when both of those reveals got big pops from their respective crowds. The Naito reveal was so well received that the fans were chanting for him before his music hit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tozawa maintained his aura in WWE by doing that shuffle dance with the pink barbells

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jericho was a god to wrestling fans at one point and now he's a complete joke to fans in the arena and online

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His legacy is that he got stabbed by a TV weather girl and that's why he was popular. He is the worst drawing ace in NJPW history on paper, and second worst when you adjust for the fact that Tanahashi was drawing for most of Okada's run.
    There's nothing to ruin.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /ace/ board, troony

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This AEW stuff doesn't ruin any of their legacies.
    Western fans forget that New Japan is primarily a Japanese wrestling promotion put on for Japanese fans. That's the primary legacy they care about, not what fricking Western weebs might think about them.
    These guys are fine back there. Japanese wrestling fans don't care about this AEW crap. They don't watch it.
    Those Japanese people sitting out in the audience aren't fricking set pieces. They're the base audience, not you fricking geeks who to decided to latch onto their wrestling shows because you were dissatisfied with the American scene.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE DWINDLING CORE FANBASE THAT HAS DROPPED OVER 50 PERCENT IN RECENT YEARS! THE PILLAGED ROSTER AND THE IDEA THAT NJPW IS THE BEST OF THE BEST BEING DESTROYED AND OUTSIDE TALENT GOING OVER THEM DOESN'T MATTER TO THE CORE FANS!
      Okay...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The core fanbase dwindled because covid restrictions hurt turnout and booking. Throw in the weak Japanese economy and the problem was compounded.
        The core fanbase is returning now that things are returning to normal.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That + NJPW has completely failed at making new Japanese stars. They had to know that guys like Ospreay and Jay White were going to leave eventually because no white guys want to work Japan forever.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They also had japanese stars they were building alongside them, Okada and Ibussy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I dunno about that, they appear to have made Tsuji just fine.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then when will he draw?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Both of his title shots were up from the same show the previous year?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Making stars takes time. Thankfully, unlike AEW they actually know how to do that -- it's why Tony has to buy his stars instead of build them.
            I'm not a fan of AEW at all but I'm coming around to the notion that whatever deals they've had with AEW the past few years probably saved them. Unlike AEW, they can't afford not to make a profit, which is why their product is better. Since they make most of their money via ticket sales, those reduced gates during the pandemic really cut the legs out from under them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Everybody had COVID restrictions. WWE and AEW had no fans, coming off restrictions led to a boom in attendance over some previous numbers, NJPW is not recovering now, they have about 1700 average attendance. Things have returned to normal more than 2 years ago. All other live events are the same or up in attendance compared to NJPW.

          Also, nothing you said refuted the only point I was making, namely that the main New Japan fanbase is Japanese and not Western and that they don't see any of this AEW crap.

          I did specifically point out the statistical fact that attendance is way down with Japanese, and yes, AEW is known about and albeit they are more hardcore fans, some watch with Japanese commentary and also see the joint shows. The general consensus among hardcore fans is that they want Mox as champion because they just want to see NJPW get even more KWAB'd since they feel sort of betrayed by the product, similar to late-Vince era WWE.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Everybody had COVID restrictions. WWE and AEW had no fans, coming off restrictions led to a boom in attendance over some previous numbers, NJPW is not recovering now, they have about 1700 average attendance. Things have returned to normal more than 2 years ago. All other live events are the same or up in attendance compared to NJPW.

            The difference is that AEW and WWE make their money through television deals and PPVs/PLEs. Let's also not pretend that WWE isn't a massive juggernaut with many other assets from which it can draw money and that Tony didn't start his company with an infinite money cheat that allows him to survive huge periods of time without turning a profit.
            New Japan makes its money through ticket sales. No ticket sales means no revenue.
            >I did specifically point out the statistical fact that attendance is way down with Japanese, and yes, AEW is known about and albeit they are more hardcore fans, some watch with Japanese commentary and also see the joint shows. The general consensus among hardcore fans is that they want Mox as champion because they just want to see NJPW get even more KWAB'd since they feel sort of betrayed by the product, similar to late-Vince era WWE.
            I wasn't saying everything was hunky dory. I'm pointing out that Westerners aren't the primary target audience and that the average fan up in the bleachers at a New Japan show doesn't give two shits about AEW. New Japan has had to do what it can to pull in money during a difficult period.
            I say all of this as a Western NJPW fan who wishes AEW would piss off, mind you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As far as what you said in this post, I agree completely. I'm in Japan and loved NJPW but haven't went to see a show since restrictions. I enjoyed last WK overall but do not like Forbidden Door and something about Okada tapping to Bryan left a sour taste in my mouth. Okada then beat an injured Bryan... and Bryan isn't even the top guy in AEW so what does this do for NJPW's image? Before it felt like NJPW was on another level and was the company that lived up to the hype, now they need to establish some new guys as big stars and unstoppable forces and get back to being on another level, which I liked about NJPW previously. Feels like they are just a step or two away from having the new guys find the right character and get really over, then hopefully they protect them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't get me wrong, the current situation sucks. But I also don't think New Japan would be doing any of it if it weren't in an existential crisis due to the pandemic.
            A big part of the problem was that New Japan had been leaning in an international direction when everything hit. Lots of stars at the top from overseas who suddenly weren't available. That, along with crowd sizes (no point putting on a massive match for 100 people), probably threw off booking enormously. And the type of good long-term booking New Japan is known for isn't seat-of-the-pants stuff -- it is planned pretty well in advance. Smaller companies did okay for themselves because they expected smaller crowds anyway and most of their talent was domestic, but for New Japan this should have been a death sentence.
            Much as I'm absolutely loathe to say it, I think this shit with AEW saved New Japan and that's why they put up with this humiliating crap. It was this or collapse due to not being able to pay workers and staff. Doesn't mean we have to like it, but I don't think it's fair to act as though things are as New Japan wants them -- sometimes you have to swallow your pride and take the shit job that puts food on the table because the alternative is being out in the streets starving.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also, nothing you said refuted the only point I was making, namely that the main New Japan fanbase is Japanese and not Western and that they don't see any of this AEW crap.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kojima is the only oldie part timer from Japan who can still go and hasn't made fool of himself in the US.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >can still go
      To the toilet maybe.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even he is just a shadow of his prime, though -- those corner machine gun chops are embarrassing every time

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        His match with Punk had story and psychology so it protected him and imo was the best of the night. Other guys when protected can still look good.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          agreed.

          >can still go
          To the toilet maybe.

          Even he is just a shadow of his prime, though -- those corner machine gun chops are embarrassing every time

          no disagreement there also,
          however, he's doing very well for being 53 years old.
          and the stuff that he does is still enjoyable.
          of course he's way past his prime.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, don't get me wrong. He's great for 53. Nagata as well, although Suzuki feels like a shadow of himself at this point.
            Makakatsu Funaki is doing better than Suzuki.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *Masakatsu Funaki

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Funaki is far better than Kojima.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Funaki is great at bringing that real MMA feel to his matches.
            Slow for people looking for acrobatics and flippy shit. But out of everyone out there, he's at the top of my list of people I shoot wouldn't want to frick around with.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He can do traditional matches well too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They always were.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He is ruining his image outside the ring, he should have never accepted this position.
    But ego probably.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Legacies don't get ruined in wrestling
    Ric Flair still has his legacy
    Shawn Michaels still has his legacy
    Frick, Keiji Mutoh still has his legacy, the amount of moronic shit he did is unbelievable
    Tanahashi will still be beloved and recognized as the wrestler that carried NJPW out of the dark ages, and ultimately, AEW is not his fault

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He could easily kill NJPW now that he is in charge.

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