Why is wrestling in Japan so ice cold? No cope posting about Tony or the yen either.

Why is wrestling in Japan so ice cold? No cope posting about Tony or the yen either.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    but it has a bit to do with tony and the yen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It has nothing to do with either.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tony taking NJPWs 3 biggest stars has nothing to do with NJPW suffering

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        youre a moron and theres nothing anyone can do to help you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tony? Not at all. The yen? Entirely. Suzuki himself said in his statement while departing from NJPW that the money to be made there wasn't keeping him around. Why do you think Okada after all these years finally decides it's time to go? Same with Ospreay. Wasn't so much where they ended up. They were out of there regardless because the economy is fricking tanking. You can't have an honest discussion about it without at least addressing that part of things. It would be one thing if it was just NJPW. Their product became beyond stale since around the pandemic. But it's across the board

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Japanese wrestling nowadays is the equivalent of OVW for AEW

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NJPW
    being cucked by tony and some questionable booking decisions
    >NOAH
    they have all the tools to succeed but they always frick up
    >AJPW
    the hottest non-niche male promotion in japan and they aren’t even that hot kek

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>NOAH
      >they have all the tools to succeed but they always frick up
      How so?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        CyberFight has everything needed to compete with Bushiroad but their YouTube's are messy, they are very inconsistent with traditional events, they don't run shows outside the regular cities and venues to attract new fans, they book all their promising talent like incompetent losers, loyal fans give up once they realize their favorites won't ever have a satisfying run, they are desperate to work with New Japan and AEW thinking they can attract gaijin subscribers.
        NOAH was a lot better when they weren't so focused on featuring New Japan guys for all their big shows, they should be bringing in guys from the other companies that New Japan fans aren't familiar with but its clear Takagi and Marufuji have already given up on competing and are mainly concerned with western expansion when they aren't even established in Japan.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NOAH has access to DDT and TJPW but let's fill the card up with gaijin

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >AJPW
      >the hottest non-niche male promotion in japan and they aren’t even that hot kek
      this is what All Japoos actually believe, lel

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        but it’s actually true lol, while they definitely aren’t really hot, they are the only ones that aren’t cold, and the consistently decent to good booking is paying off. They are the only promotion that doesn’t actively insult their own fans

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have been following the Champion Carnival on baked and I am kind hyped for the finals this weekend. I don't really know much about the different workers or their characters, but I really like Kento, Anzai and the tall Saito brother.
          Kento is so over it is unbelievable. The guy's music hits and the crowd just loses their mind. Even when he was facing a boring opponent in the CC which would cause the crowd to cool off he would find a way to disengage with the match and hype them back up. It is crazy how good he is at just working the crowd. It is to the point where his opponent isn't the guy in the ring, but rather the entire audience
          Anzai is just amazing. He works so fluidly and sells so naturally it is wild to think he has only been in the business for two years. If the guy got on the juice and had a body that matched that face he could be movie star. It is crazy when you see a jap that mogs most western wrestlers in looks, height, and technical skill.
          The tall Saito brother is just cool. He is tall, has a giant barrel chest, stiffs the frick out of everyone, and then cuts promos in that gravely voice. I wish I knew what he was saying because it sounds really fricking cool.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I somewhat agree. I also have only recently started following AJPW; I love the characters and wrestlers but the CC has been only decent, a lot of good matches but none was great. I liked Kento, the Saito Bros. and Ryuki Honda

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sadly, wrestling is not popular in japan anymore.
    Even if Tonikan was not around, NJPW cannot find a replcaement for Naito, Tanahashi, Okada since the new young lion sucks and it would be pretty dumb to make a gaijin the face of the company (ospreay / jay white etc)

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pro wrestling as an idea is stupid, and the way it is presented is even stupider. It will die in a few years worldwide. The netflix deal is just a stay of execution. But they are brutal when it comes to cutting underperforming content. WWE will linger on for four/five more years but the streaming numbers will suck and netflix will drop it. When WWE goes, pro wrestling is finished.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WWE out of nowhere
      We're talking about Japan, homosexual.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We don't sign our posts here.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >When WWE goes, pro wrestling is finished.
      Classic fanboy babble.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why even post this on a wrestling board dumbass?
      What's next, chess is finished?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is actually true. Vince McMahon = pro wrestling. Without him, it's over

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tony Khan and his toy box stinking up Japan is just the tip of the iceberg
    Every Japanese company has plenty of young hardworking talented wrestlers but the big issue is that the aging management have prioritized westernizing.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    japan itself is ice cold because theyre staunchly anti immigration, which slowly kills their country

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sup Shlomo

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post nose

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because Jap wrestlers are complete shitters these days. All you've got are washed up old guys who were great 20 to 30 years ago and younger guys who've got zero talent and charisma.

      Shalom rabbi

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all the white guys left

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >asks a question demanding you come up with another answer to the question other than the actual answer
    what did OPisahomosexual mean by this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blaming Tony Khan for the entire Japanese wrestling scene being in the dumps is moronic. Same with the yen. New Japan and All Japan were doing monster business when Japan's economy collapsed in the late 80's/early 90's.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Japan's economy isn't collapsing. They've had less inflation than any other G7 country, had a record year in 2023 for corporate profits, and tourism and foreign investment are booming. It only looks weak when converted into dollar terms- but again the yen being weak against the dollar doesn't effect the domestic economy if the yen is retaining its purchasing power (which it is).

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wrestling has always been niche in Japan, they have never had a hulkmania/attitude era period when wrestling went mainstream for a moment. Okada could walk down the streets of Tokyo and nobody would care while some idol girl would get mobbed.

    Add in the weak yen and aew poaching every draw they had and now even the marks are tuning out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wrestling has always been niche in Japan, they have never had a hulkmania/attitude era period when wrestling went mainstream for a moment
      Idiot. Shut the frick u and never speak again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Truth hurts weeb.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they have never had a hulkmania/attitude era period
      They literally did
      So much so that Bischoff took notice

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wrestling has always been niche in Japan, they have never had a hulkmania/attitude era period when wrestling went mainstream for a moment
      You are a colossal moron. Wrestling in the US has never reached the peaks it did in Japan.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Fair-minded Anon

    There are many reasons, but the comparisons to the west are valid. Many Japanese have a certain pride and if the Japanese product is seen as inferior, they simply wont watch. Many wont watch the foreign equivalent either, they will just wait until Japan starts competing or just say frick it. Same with movies and tv, most films or drama are seen as lower quality due to budget so the Japanese just say frick it. If something high quality comes out they bumrush the ticket stands to see it.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No Kobashi or Misawa

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think their fanbase has gone through burnout and never recovered
    It isn't just a question of how they react differently from western crowds, but the fact that their showa golden age when all the pillars were over and everything was more exciting has long passed

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    at it's peak japanese pro wrestling was pushed by the sports medias, nowadays the japanese sports news only talk about baseball so the general public doesn't know about current pro wrestling

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically has a lot to do with Rossy Ogawa's Stardom doing a lot of damage to Bushiroad and that bleeding into NJPW
    The inability to market when your other half of the company is actively killing itself has put NJPW in an ice age and the worst thing they ever did was buy Stardom

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This doesn't even make sense. Keep reaching though.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why is Japanese wrestling so ice cold?
    >um chuddy, no posting the real answers in this thread

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOO DONT POINT AT THE SAVIOR AND CREATOR OF WRESTLING TONY KHAN!!!!!!!
    Vince also destroyed the territories. If you raid a place for their top talent, that place will be a husk for a while,and if there is no effort made to rebuild it, then it will die out.
    Tony is to blame for taking all their draws.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wrestling isn't popular as much as it was in Japan
    >NJPW has essentially rode Bullet Club into the ground
    >NJPW built up a Cena-tier competitor with Okada and now he's gone away
    >NJPW recently cannot book for shit and no one cares about the promotion
    >no new stars, no one is making moves to actually do anything interesting and no one in NJPW feels like they actually care about NJPW, same issue with AEW

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good question

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably the same thing that happened in the west. Mixed martial arts took off and all the actual real young men like that. And wrestling is only liked by the fricking nerds, geeks, weirdos and degenerates now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wrestling was always niche.
      even when it was at its most popular and was watched by everyone the normies would make fun of it.
      t. was actually alive then.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Japanese promotions can't afford to keep anyone because of how fricked the economy is

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