Can you explain to someone who has never watched football which of these two is OBJECTIVELY better and why?
Can you explain to someone who has never watched football which of these two is OBJECTIVELY better and why?
Can you explain to someone who has never watched football which of these two is OBJECTIVELY better and why?
did you remember to dilate before making this thread?
Huh? My pupils?
here you go
>Ronaldo better career
No. Just because he won more CL trophies in the second half of the 2010s doesn't negate Messi blowing Ronaldo away in the first half. You can't prioritize the more recent achievements over older ones. In the late 00s they are also toe to toe
He only won 1 more CL while Messi has the second most trophies ever, not like Ronaldo has more trophies or individual achievements.
Now remove the statpadding games against Eibar and Espanyol
>cherrypicking
Ronaldogays' specialty as usual. Only with this type of mental gymnastics is their idol anywhere near the debate.
It's hard to read when you can't properly express yourself only coming up with mental diarrhea and inability to read simple stats.
>most competitive league in the world
It's not cherry picking, champion's league knockouts are more relevant than friendlies and statpadding against farmers
>REEEEE B-BUT ALL GAMES ARE WORTH THE SAME
Keep coping
>knockout are the most relevant because I said so!!!
>when looking at R16 + knockouts Messi has better stats
Lol.
So Messi wasn't consistent? How moronic are you exactly? He was leading G+A for like 9 seasons. He has almost the same amount of goals while playing 140+ less matches. If anything his goal contribution ratio shows he is more efficient, more clinical etc. He had one mediocre season lol.
Objectively a goat is somebody who is skilled in more than one thing. Poaching doesn't make you goat. That's why Ibra and Lewa aren't in the debate. Maradona who knew how to create, dribble and score is, just like Messi who is world class scorer, dribbler and passer. He can control a game. Ronaldo can't.
I still prefer 2010/2011 Messi compared to the 2011/2012 due to quality of opponents.
2018/19 is one his best imo. Three matches away of winning the treble with some very lackluster teammates. Even Suarez performed bad that season.
Yeah it's a good zoomer filter, I can't take seriously anyone who claim Messi 11/12 is peak
>knockout isn't more relevant than groups
Lel
>when looking at R16 + knockouts Messi has better stats
Not even true, Ronaldo has better stats in the CL. More goals, more assists, more titles and more times MVP and top scorer
Go to bed Alonso
>more goals, more assits
Yes, in more matches lol. Don't you understand that concept Twaininho? He was still outperformed by Messi.
>m-more matches
Yes, he's also older than Pissi
Absolute state of Cuckitini dick suckers
>play more = you can score and assit more
It's quite simple, Twaininho.
>Alfonso still coping
OoooOOO Twain, it's really simple.
>carried by Bale, Modric, Kroos, Casemiro and Benzema
>ruins Juve's UCL run, drags them from 1st to 4th
>ruins United
Penaldo reinvented the meaning of carried. Goat.
He has a better ratio too if you compare their primes instead of using the years Ronaldo spent as a midfielder.
>M-m-muh midfielder
So? Messi plays deeper overall than Ronaldo every season and different role to him yet the cope always comes up bbbbbuuuuuttt he started as a midfielder
Messi is a natural midfielder. Damn good reason he is still plays a 10 in Argentina.
Unarguable. Dude knew when to leave a team without destroying it.
peak messi ist the GOAT, you never knew what kind if magic is going to happen
cronaldos career is the GOAT, simply the most complete offensive player ever
How is he the most complete offensive player ever when there is a guy who is on the same level in goalscoring, as well as being a world class playmaker rofl
how many headers does messi score? how tall is he? his overall physique compared to ronaldo? come one
There's no fricking way you can equate playmaking = heading?
Soccer is the hardest of all the major sports to objectively quantify. It is the sport where the "eye test" is the most important when compared to statistics. There is no correct answer to your question.
Ignore all Americ*n posts in football threads, the only purpose they serve is lowering the iq
Messi for peak, Ronaldo for longevity.
prime messi > prime ronaldo but ronaldo is a more consistent player which allowed him to outshine messi many times past their prime
Messi of course. On top of being a world class striker he's a world class assister and a world class playmaker
No one can, but most will agree that Messi's peak is something else.
One choked while the other won 3 CLs in a row
Messi, there's basically no argument for Ronaldo, only mental gymnastics. Stats and eye test say it all.
Doesn't Ronaldo have more goals though?
(p)
46 goals more with 147 more games. Messi has better goal per minute ratio by far.
Messi hasn't scored in every single minute.
ronaldo had better goal ratio in 7 out of last 10 seasons, 4 out of last 5 seasons fyi.
How does it change the fact he has worse ratio overall? He even has less golden boots etc. He's become poacher now.
Offense is more than scoring goals, it's chance creation too. Penaldo might be more complete striker/poacher but how is that relevant when he has only 46 goals more in 147 more matches. If anything it makes him look worse. His physique is a meme, he falls at the slightest of contacts. If he was in the position Messi was against Italy during the first goal he would fall to the ground lol. So much for his physique.
>How does it change the fact he has worse ratio overall?
you did say that he still has a better ratio and fact of the matter is that he doesn't and hasn't had a better ratio for the last decade. if this trend continues then he will finish his career with a lower overall ratio aswell.
>103.7 minutes per goal
>112 minutes per goal
Goals per game
>0.79
>0.73
He still has a better ratio.
reading comprehension isnt your strong suit?
Seems like you're the one having trouble reading.
>you did say that he still has a better ratio and fact of the matter is that he doesn't and hasn't had a better ratio
Yes, because he has better ratio despite scoring less goals.
>cherrypicks 3 nations
Kek, Messi showed that Ronaldo's international record is a joke.
>ecuador
>micronation
>it's chance creation too
Ronaldo was a better chance creator than Messi til 2014 tho, It's legit statistically proven.
And i think you're confusing chance creation and playmaking
Is that why he has worse number of big chances created up to that year?
Ronaldo post 2014 is a completely different player (Post prime Ronaldo)+Messi take set pieces which boost his stats significantly
See pic related, Ronaldo played fewer games too
Ronaldo began his career as a traditional winger. He wasn't a complete product until 2007/08, and if you only take into account games from the 2007-2022 period then he's certainly leagues above Messi.
Ronaldo also gets to pay with micronations
Just yesterday Messi scored 5 goals against Estonia.
Imagine if he could play with those countries every year
>Portugal books a meaningless friendly with an uninterested Venezuela in Spain
>referee and a few key opposing players are in on it
>preys on them to feed Ronaldo
>has someone in the stands to whistle, Ronaldo knows the deal and won’t stop while opposing players stop and watch him score another goal
>scores a bazillion goals
>”whoa just imagine if Ronaldo could play in the conmebol every week”
Chad arrogant assertive Iberia vs weak introverted rest of the world
We’re the last bastion of non-subhuman masculinity left. Even the nips realized this and made a Pokemon Iberia game in our homage
Lol
This, but with the names switched.
Ronaldo
More goals, more champion leagues, winner in all clubs he represented ,at his age he still carries the team. A ton of records like player with the most goals by any national team, player with most goals by real Madrid, record goals in the champions etc
>carried a team from second to sixth
He gave a new meaning to the word carry.
>More goals
Because he's played like a 100 more matches
>more champion leagues,
Passenger with Madrid who've won the CL without him. Even United reached the final without him
>winner in all clubs he represented
The clubs he represented were as good or better without him (Fergie United and Madrid) or he made them worse (current United and Juve)
>at his age he still carries the team.
From 2nd to 7th
>A ton of records like player with the most goals by any national team
Messi just scored 5 vs Estonia. IMAGINE if he played in European qualifiers and friendlies vs micro states regularly
>player with most goals by real Madrid, record goals in the champions etc
He played for the best Madrid team ever, which has won 2 leagues and 1 CL since he left proving all his stat padding was utterly meaningless
>OBJECTIVELY better
Messi is Jordan, Ronaldo is Karl Malone (rapist)
Just ask yourself how many times Ronaldo has saved Man U and what Pissi Cucktini is not doing in PSG
>saved
>making the instantly worse
>Messi
>PSG from 2nd to 1st
I have seen it.
Alfonso,see the Manu team is by far the worst Manu I have ever seen and still relies on a+35 yo player to score and carry them. Goals, not pre assists
PSG is also terrible. Last time I checked he was brought on to improve the team but as usual as was the case with Juve, he made them worse while statpadding. He was brought in to win at least some domestic trophy for Man utd. and he choked against Championship team, missed a penalty, missed a tap in, missed 1 on 1 vs a GK. So what exactly did he accomplish? Nothing. In fact his horrid performances after Rangnick was appointed lead them to losing out on 4th place. Man Utd. under Rangnick (at the beginning) created 4-5 clear chances per game but Penaldo and Penandes managed to choke all of them. This was against relegation sides.
Fans do. They even drafted a statement against the upper management and players for underperforming domestically and not building a coherent sporting project.
Why don't we compare his run in CL to that of Penaldo for Juve? Juve was in finale before Penaldo joined. PSG was only there because it was covid, they choke with fans at the stadium all the time. Now enter Ronaldo to Juve - exit to 10 men Porto, Lyon and Ajax. Enter Messi to PSG - exit to the winner: Real Madrid. So cope more.
Neither did Ronaldo. Messi still has better ratio and if Ronaldo stopped now he would be overtaken.
He makes them worse, United is shit with Ronaldo
>ligue 1 uber eats
none of the players and owners in PSG consider that mickey mouse trophy as valuable. They only care about the UCL and everyone saw what messi did for them in the CL
>best Real Madrid team ever
Not even close, my guy. Third best Real Madrid, at most.
50/60s > 90s > 2010s
>90s
you were not even born were you
Estonia is a League D team, you might as well let Messi play his beloved SD Eibar at this point
>Estonia
Don't worry Ronaldo has you covered. That's how he got to be top international goalscorer after all!
If Messi played in Europe against San Marino, Moldova, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, Malta, Estonia, Liechsteintein etc he would be the greatest all time scorer no doubt. Crap teams like Bolivia and Venezuela would absolutely destroy these UEFA teams
What about haiti, nicaragua, panama, guatemala and estonia
For sure.
> Passenger
Motherfricker he still is the record top goalscorer and was the top scorer for Madrid in almost every campaign, not to mention his hattricks. His only UCL competition came from Lewa in 2013 and 2020*
spoken like a true football illiterate. keep it up pajeet.
Not biased at all kek
Messi because he literally scored five (5) goals in a match just yesterday.
Blargghhh muh pissi.
Nuurrgghhh muh cucknaldo.
Messi is actually clear
>Holds the record for most goals AND most assists in a single year
>Most golden boots
>Is in the GOAT debate for goalscoring, playmaking as well as dribbling
>Better goal/game ratio
>Wins in both stats and the eye test
Ronaldo at 37 was still competitive in the Premier League
Gareth Bale
Messi can create goals from nothing (to himself and other players). Ronaldo needs the team to create chances for him. That is the most simple decider for me.
It‘s absolutely impossible. It’s a matter of taste, really. Both are insanely good, but there’s no way to come to a completely objective and universal verdict on who is better. And you don’t have to, so just lean back
Here is Ronaldo's miraculous performance in the FA cup when they got knocked out by a Championship team.
https://twitter.com/emiratesfacup/status/1491471973238587398
youre comparing apples and oranges. Really the only comparisson is that they're both good at free kicks. Otherwise missi is a manlet dribbler with a keen eye for a splitting pass, and penaldo is a tall lad who dominates the air and has excellent positional awareness.
Also Zlatan in his prime pisses on both of these guys.
Ronaldo is literally objectively a better player:
>performs for multiple teams and in different systems, while Messi is only good under tika-taka with elite passers like Xavi and Iniesta
>Physically superior in every way, Ronaldo is an athletic God while messi is a doping manlet
>Better technically, way more usenof tricks
>Can blast it from outside 30m unlike Messi
technically, way more usenof tricks
Agreed.
>performs for multiple teams and in different systems
You're saying this like if he ever gets involved in the team system in a meaningful way. He just waits on the box and shoots.
GOAT N°9, but not better than Messi.
Messi is better technically, What Ronaldo can do in three strides, Messi can do in one. Ronaldo's trickery never reach the heights of South American trickery. He always lacks forward momentum even at his peak at Madrid. Like most Portuguese players, he relies on his pace and power.
>better technically,
messi has never scored a bicycle kick, never scored a knuckle ball fk, never scored a 40 yarder
>shooting strong = better technically
Everything you named has been done by Bale and better than by Ronaldo. Ronaldo's FKs are garbage. Messi scored more outside of the box goals.
Look at this mong. Let’s forget the other bycicle kicks Ronaldo scored and focus on the Juventus one. He is saying that Bale did a bycicle kick better. That clumsy weird goal vs liverpool. He argues that Bale did it better technically when Ronaldo did it with perfect form. Will this homosexual say on court he believes the Bale one was the fluid textbook bycicle kick technique and form? No he won’t, that was Ronaldo’s. It was something out of a slow mo climax scene in a movie. Bale was pure instinct, that doesn’t even qualify as a true bycicle kick. Great goal but you won’t teach kids anything with it.
Imagine typing this shit up. Long shots and bicycle kicks don't make you a more technical player kek.
>subhuman trapped in a simple arguing maze showing his 60 iq
You said Bale did the bycicle kick better than Ronaldo and that’s what I talked about. Now you’re deflecting because you can’t pursue that lost cause. Go lick the curb, subhuman
>Ronaldo's FKs are garbage..
ronaldo has been playing with a knee injury that limits his ability since 2014, peak ronaldo was the best pure scorer the game has ever seen, inside the box, outside the box, tap ins, 40 yarders, headers from 20 ft in the air, 50 step over bamboozle, left foot, right foot, this is complete technical mastery of the game, no one comes close to this guy, no one
Yet Messi has the goal scoring record. Messi could do anything Ronaldo did but better if he wanted to. Unfortunately he sacrificed team play for his stupid goal battle with Ronaldo after the 2011 CL. Also people usually denigrate him playing for playing alongside Xavi and Iniesta as if it was a bad thing, but the truth is that if Messi was capable of playing with them like that, than it means not only is he technically gifted but also has the same footballing IQ of Xavi and Iniesta. Could Ronaldo play like that? I doubt it. I never saw Ronaldo play with Marcelo the way Messi and Dani Alves toyed with other teams.
>Messi could do anything Ronaldo did
messi maxed out the skill levelling on a select few skills so while he may been better in those aspects ie dribbling ronaldo was 9/10 across the board
>Messi was capable of playing with them
was raised in la masia, ronaldo never had the opportunity of learning and playing with that philosphy
>50 useless stepovers
>btfo by Messi in terms of goalscoring
eibarman played in the comfort of one team and la shitga for 99% of his career
>done by Bale too
thread's about messi and ronaldo isn't it?
>messi maxed out the skill levelling on a select few skills so while he may been better in those aspects ie dribbling ronaldo was 9/10 across the board
What is Ronaldo better at other than headers and penalties?
Right foot is the other argument. Ronaldo is the better sprinter but a way worst dribbler than Messi. South America's school of flicks and tricks are rarely done well by Euros.
>Right foot is the other argument
Well yeah cause he's fricking right footed and Messi is a lefty.
I don't understand how people were able to reduce the:
>Top 2 most completed dribbles in CL history
>Top 1 dribbler in EPL for 6 consecutive years
>Top 3 dribblers in La Liga in the 2010s
>A literal iconic flamboyant
To Sami Khedira type of dribbler when this discussion arise, Ronaldo has more case for being a better mass dribbler than fricking R9, Robben and maybe even Ronaldinho if you were to extract the best 5 years of their career
weak foot, long rangers, acrobatics, trickery
>EPL top 6
half of them were against arsenal, a meme team
>good at heading
no other player can get the elevation ronaldo does so headers that he scores wouldn't be goals if it were another player
Messi's feint dribble > CR7's stepovers
ronaldo's chad height so higher centre of gravity
Power vs Precision
Penaldo has his best against Tottenham and Arsenal kek. Messi against Man City and Arsenal. So wrong. Ronaldo against the worst of the top 6 also playing against them when they are a complete meme.
Whoah, 50 stepovers against Galatasaray!!!
>Messi against Man City and Arsenal
group stage, ro16 games
ronaldo v chelsea cl final
ronaldo v arsenal cl semi
>50 stepovers against Galatasaray!!!
peak spain...
So? He performed better against the big 6 overall. Penaldo performed the best against the 2 worst teams there. Including the new Arselel which is dogshit.
There are 0 stepovers in that clip and he didn't score.
Messi can too.
So you said Ronaldo created more chances and now you're saying he created less? Well good. He also created less big chances in that time and less big chances overall. Like 3 time less.
>bbbut he carried from x to z
So did Messi. You're so moronic and don't even realize your own meme arguments apply to Penaldo even more.
If you had Ronaldo without that Madrid squad you would end up getting knocked out against Porto, Ajax and Lyon or in Europa League.
> against the 2 worst teams there.
ronaldo performed against prime chelsea and prime arsenal, messi performaned against meme arsenal and group stage city
>So did Messi.
messi went out to as fricking roma lmao
he's a group stage merchant merchant
You conveniently forgot the time he btfoed united with Penaldo in. City is better than Chelsea or Arselel so it doesn't matter if groups or not.
>Roma
Yes and Penaldo to Ajax, Lyon and 10 men Porto kek. Bravo.
He isn't better.
>hurr durr different position but let me ignore that they play different positions overall
Kek
excellent post.
if only you could also be like this critical with yourself when discussing verratti.
>Headers
>Penalties
>Goals scored at right foot
>Ability to play in either wing
>makes a great inside forward
>long range free kicks
>long range goals
Everything else, Messi is better than him
messi is better at scoring solo dribbling goals against getafe and osasuna, that's it
He had some great NT games during his peak. Choking on the 2014 WC does not make him a Heskey
consistently let's argentina down in big moments, di maria has carried him across their whole nt career including the olmpic final
Will not dispute his lack of mentality. He blames his teammates alot.
>DiMaria carried
>Ronaldo's international career
>cheerleading during Euros
>getting carried during Nations League
>2 CL finals without scoring, getting bailed out by Bale
Kek
ronaldo carries his team from ro16 to finals and shits up the final
messi carries his teams in group stage and shits up starting from ro16
>long range free kicks
>long range goals
How long range are we talking? Because I'm pretty sure Messi has more goals form outside the box.
>Numbers again...
The fact that CR7 can still score long shots today is baffling.
>Numbers again...
Well yeah, how else are we going to compare them? Through vague notions of how good a player "feels"? If you have some stats showing Ronaldo has scored more from 25+ yards or 30+ yards that would actually be useful. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a better record at long range I just want to to know if the evidence is there.
Actually I just found this which is interesting. Ronaldo has more from 25 metres which is around 27 yards so I guess that's good proof he is better at range. Still, it's 9 goals difference in 10 seasons. Dunno if it's a massive deal.
>galatasaray
Funny since you mention Eibar.
>muh eibarman
Twain? Or another unironic moron.
Is that why he has much better stats against EPL top 6? He didn't even play there.
Yes and nothing what you mention is impressive. Plenty of players are good at heading and score blooters.
Lmao
>50 step over bamboozle
Yes, 50 useless stepovers and getting dispossessed.
So peak Ronaldo is the one who got utterly btfo by Messi in terms of goalscoring? Good to know and everything you named was done by Bale too. He was never a top tier dribbler, top tier passer etc.
Yes, it's better, I just didn't bother to read your low IQ dribble.
>low IQ dribble
Based moron, gave me a good chuckle. Run away little coward. Go teach your young’uns the fundamentals of the bycicle kick with that botched Bale attempt
Utter moron.
>Like most Portuguese players, he relies on his pace and power
I thought most portuguese world-class players were renowned for their technical ability
Yeah but its ridiculous on how obsessive your players are in their fitness compared to every NT. Ronaldo, Figo, and Carvalho are pretty wide but muscular and add in the Portuguese love of attacking from the wings with such speed.
>Better technically
lol, lmao even
>Better technically
It boggles the mind how Ronaldo fanboys convince themselves of stuff like this
just like pissi fanboys convince themselves that beating estonia is harder than beating switzerland
>when Ronaldo dabs on Estonia to reach his international record it's okay, when Messi does it to expose Penaldo it's bad.
Ronaldo is the best player in the world.
Messi is an ET
POO
good morning sir pajeet
>tf
Dn read
IN
Why are Missy Pissi Cuckittini fans so cringe?
Honestly Ronaldo and this season has proved it. Messi is the definition of stat padding, take him out of La Liga and put him in a team that’s not built around him and his weaknesses become a lot obvious
>the definition of stat padding
>better stats against PL big 6 despite not playing there
Alfonso... Sweden, Hungary and Netherlands are bad teams? Micronations?
How about Sudacas micro-nations? Suriname, Equador, Guiana. Lets see Pissi Cuctini scores.
Ronaldo cost united top 4 this season because they had to accommodate him
Lmao him and De Gea are the only reason they have European football next season
de gea's been shit too
his absolute refusal to come off his line is why their high lines look so bad
Messi is better because he can retain the ball but Cristiano is also better cause he's better at winning leading nerves but he's also very wiener so he loses a lot of credit
Good post.
>better at winning leading nerves
Ronaldo in finals
>35 apps
>20 goals
>2 assists
>0 goal contributions in international finals
>155 mins per goal
>141 mins per goal contribution
Messi
>45 apps
>31 goals
>15 assits
>134 mins per goal
>90 mins per goal contribution
Alfonso, at least he was at the fricking finals. Unlike the manlet cuck
One guy play 1 final and makes 1 goal = 90m per goal
Another plays 20 finals and makes 10 goals = 180 minutes per goal.
So according to you the guy that played 1 final is better... KEK
Messi was in more finals than Penaldo, dear schizo.
Alfonso, you are too stupid to read what I wrote based on your "stats". Not wasting more time with you.
Not to mention one has more goals in the most competitive league in the world, the other can't barely score in the Uber Eats.
>when you're that biased you can't even properly read the post you're replying to because you're so angry and you end up making a fool of yourself
yeah, Messi was in more finals and contributed more
I think that one of the two is greater player than the other.
We've all seen them both play numerous times over the last 15 years. So we all can form an opinion of our own based on what we've actually seen combined with statistics and what not.
Both have a lot of fans and I want you to try to be as neutral as you can when evaluating these two.
Before I say who I think is the greater player, I'm going to say this, and I'm trying to be as general as I can:
The player I think of is, for the past 15 or so years, the far better player of the two. And it isn't even close. I think he's in a class of his own and the other player is a class or two below. I actually think that this player is the greatest I've ever seen.
Now most of you figured who I'm thinking about.
Why? Because advocates of that player often think the same way. On the other side, advocates of the other rarely think there's a big gap between the two, more often describing them as very close but one slightly better of the two.
And that, for me, is evidence enough who is the greater of the two.
You can say that fans of the one are wienerier so they say stuff like that, or you can straight out lie and say that you thought I was talking about the other guy.
But you can't escape the truth. You've all thought of the same guy. No matter what you say. We all think the same. He's the greatest.
And I'm not naming him, because I know that it's not necessary. This debate was never really a debate and, deep down, you all know it.
Ronaldo
Because he played for Real Madrid while pissi played for Farsa
Difference between Bron and Jordan
Bron is more consistent but Jordan had the better peak
But imagine Bron had the 6 rings and Jordan had 4 instead
Now Ronaldo is Bron, Jordan is Messi
The amount of media shilling these guys got this season makes no sense, especially for Messi. You'd think that he's had Benzema's performance this season despite winning frick all this year
>two active and living legends get more coverage that Benzema
You didn't realize yet how good these two guys are/were.
Oh no, I understand the legacy behind it but they're treating this season as if it was top tier and found new ways to cope.
I get it, one of them doesn't give a frick about PSG and isn't invested in the project and probably saved form for Qatar while the other is in a disfunctional team which is carried by him and De Gea but the Media is fricking moronic as per usual
>Messi
>2 trophies
>Ronaldo
>0
He did win more so...
>t. hasn't watched manu only looked at the stats
He's also the reason they don't have top 4.
It's Messi. Not even close.
Some morons here are missing the point of the thread. The question is OBJECTIVELY. Ronaldo is the GOAT objectively (check posted stats in this thread for proof). If the stats to defend Messi are "goals/minute" and "more goals in a year", you are being dishonest. You know stats consistency over time is necessary for GOAT status. Otherwise, a player who shines for a couple of years could be considered the GOAT.
Needless to say that "Messi just plays better" is not objective.
we know that ronaldo's teammates were better than messi's teammates, ronaldo's teams being able to play CL finals and winning CL finals after he left is the proof of that
Pissi never won a champion's league again after Xavi and Iniesta left and they won a WC with Spain lel
What is Spain 2008-2012? The GOAT national team of millennial football.
>What is Spain 2008-2012?
since when international football is at a higher level than club football?
spain 2008-2012 was the lineup of golden generation barcelona plus casillas, ramos and torres
and? international is weaker than club football, you're telling me the country you face are stonger than clubs? no. so the argument of playing with euro winners or world cup winners is irrelevant, what's relevant is to say that a country is comprised of CL winners, not the other way around
messi is the best footballer, ronaldo is the best goalscorer
When you watch ronaldo you see the goals when you watch messi you see the game
One got carried by his team and UEFA, the other stands out in every team he plays and carries several. There is not debate.
Ronaldo is a better person as well.
>Ronaldo is a better person as well.
Then why does he destroy every dressing room?
>objective better
reducing football to objective shit ruins it
This thread summed up:
>Portugal and Spain flags vs everyone else
As a neutral messi is clear
The one who carried United from second place to Europa League.
Donaldo as a technical players, is a great goal scorer.
I think what pisses me off about his style is that he always needs to insert himself in a way that his talents are shown, he cant just take the ball and decide for himself, he either has to take a penalty, free kick (that he bloats most of the time), receive a perfect crossing etc.. His scent for goals is unmatched tho, and his athleticism is absolutely amazing, but Football during his time has greatly shifted, much to his own merit, to a sport where players score more frequently.
Benzema, Lewandowski, Haaland, all have absurds goals per match ratio, so with time this argument will not hold as much against Messi.
CR7 has this trait where his entire play style and skillset seems to be built around appearing at the right time to create moments from a football montage. On the one hand you could argue that makes him a kino player to watch. On the other hand, you could argue that distilling football down to a science of efficient goalscoring is cynical and takes the soul out of the game.
He's Thomas Muller on steroids. He could be the worst player on the pitch but you can never take your eyes off him since he knows exactly where to position himself and will punish you for a single mistake. Meanwhile for 90% of the match he will do frick all
In football there are a lot of different skills and positions. No player is the best at all of them. Ronaldo's talent is delivering consistency as a goalscorer. He does what many other players can do but he does it consistently and under pressure, it makes for good entertainment so of course he gets a lot of hype But Messi is just on another fricking level. He's so much more than a goalscorer. Ronaldo is consistently a world-class player but Messi is occasionally a superhuman player. And to top it off, Ronaldo has the best work ethic of any footballer while Messi drinks his Sprite, scratches his ass and then continues to be the best. Some day a man will come along with Messi's godlike talent and Ronaldo's dedication to improvement and that man will be the best forever.
Cristoph Ronaldo SUWWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
It's as simple as that bro
MESSI MESSI MESSI
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Messi because he's a team player. CR7 is better at heading but worse overall.
This thread right here is a prime example as to why you can't even discuss about football without revisionists and subjective homosexualry
Messi is white?
Ronaldo is white?
ronaldo is the physical embodiment of the goal, he's like the god of the goal, equivalent to how dionysus is the god of wine and apollo being the god of the sun. Messi is le autistic magician, sure he's amazing at his weird niche of messi dribbles, but his game is pretty unique but with ronaldo you basically see a generic striker taken to the next level. It's why messi fans are so odd, their favourite player plays in such a unique way that they struggle to watch/appreciate anything else. They're stuck with barca and psg.
I am.
Ronaldo's most present characteristic is scoring goals. even so, messi will finish his career scoring more goals being 2 years younger. And messi is not remembered for being a scorer
Messi has a weak mentality like lebron, ronaldo has an unbelievable mentality like Jordan
Truly a mentality monster.
>wins just one more CL trophy
>actually loses against Messi in 2009 final
>loses a bunch of League titles throughout career against Messi
>less Ballon Dors
>couldn't beat Messi's calendar year goal record despite being known mainly for his goal statistics
I applaud Ronaldo's marketing team for successfully selling this image of him
messi was carried by the barca team, but now his barca teammates are being exposed as being worse and less loyal than the class of 92 and he's on 9 goals in fricking ligue un
R O N A L D O
Simple as.
If you're a club you'd much rather have the entire career of ronaldo than messi. You'd end up with a player that has a longer career, more CL trophies etc, a real winner and not some moping midget who can't do shit when he doesn't have golden era spain generation helping him.
Messi and its no debate
it was so in 2011 and in 2021 and still is
messi's skill is level above cr7
messi = reddit
ronaldo = Fhite
simple as
How to immediately make a/sp/ies take your side in the argument. Well played.
technique wise, Messi is better in 95% of the aspects in football. Dribbling, vision, decision making, passing, shooting accuracy, free kicks (Manchester United's version of CR7 was a great FK taker though, if he managed to keep that pace up throughout his career he'd be easily the best FK taker of the two), playmaking, ball retention, first touch, ball control, you name it. Tsunaldo is better when it comes to headers, penalties, weak foot finishing and arguably positioning.
So Messi's obviously better, right? Wrong. Tsu is by far the better player because of one simple reason: he doesn't choke. Messi is the equivalent of having the biggest dick in the world except it only gets hard with ugly girls. The moment he's up against a good looking one he gets too nervous to do anything. Tsu on the other hand fricks everything. Ugly girls, hot ones, dudes, dogs, it doesn't matter: he performs exactly the same with all of them
well said hahahahah
>he doesn't choke
Wrong
Kek
Zidane is the best player i ever saw.
The best players I've ever witnessed in no particular order are Zidane, Ronaldinho and Messi. They did things on the pitch that no other person could ever hope to replicate. Truly mesmerising.
Forgot to add that I'm gay.
Messi = White people
Ronaldo = Black people
Blacks need to constantly prove to others they are the best, while white people don't even bother with it. They know they are the best
so Messi chokes constantly because he doesn't need to prove he's the best? I see.
Yes.
You have a team full of absolute shitters, they can barely pass the ball, there’s only one player you’d pick in their prime.
Messi easily. Ronaldo is a B-tier talent that maximised his potential to its highest possible peak, but Messi is just a freak of nature that makes other world class players look ordinary. He's the GOAT by a distance and anyone who thinks otherwise is some sort of delusional fanboy of another player or just doesn't understand football.
>talented Messi and untalented Ronaldo meme
Ronaldo has always been one of the world's most talented players. Zoomers who only started watching him in the past few years have no idea how good the man was at passing opponents until 2014. He wasn't Messi-tier at dribbling but the sheer explosiveness of his stepovers coupled with his physical ability allowed him to drive the ball forward a lot more than he does now. Age reduced his balance which makes this a lot harder, but he's not the only victim of age: Messi is also a lot less swift-footed than he was in his prime.
Height, athleticism, vision, speed, and goalscoring ability (headers, both feet, FKs, pens), as well as consistency and an obsession with being the best are all proper talents and contributed to making Ronaldo the most complete forward to ever walk the Earth.
Why do these Ronaldo posts always read like gay fanfictions?
Pissi stans such as yourself seem to think that praising a player's athleticism is gay for some reason
>muh athleticism
Be honest. In your heart you know that if Ronaldo was in Messi's position during the first goal against Italy, he would've fallen like a fricking potato sack.
CR7 in the EPL, the most physical league in the world: http://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/119937947/#q119937947
Messi in Ligue 1, certainly the league that places the most focus on athleticism, but that should be no problem for the little magician, right? Nope: http://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/120199641/#q120200117
>m-m-muh last season when he had covid and was injured half of it
>doesn't know that French league is physical
>discards CONMEBOL
Like a clockwork. Kek, if Ronaldo was tackled like Messi, his knees would explode for the second time.
See for his athleticism
Ronaldo is known to win a lot more of those physical shoulder challenges than Messi, whenever Messi faces some non-LaLiga defence he just drops down or retreats and starts walking dejectedly
His favourite activity is falling on the ground, putting his hands up in the air and calling to the referee, even Rooney said he liked to dive. He is a homosexual. People laugh at Neymar but Ronaldo does the same shit. Messi at least doesn't fall down as easily and he wants to continue playing, countless of instances of this.
>doesn't know that French league is physical
Messi is not tackled anymore because he barely moves
Wrong.
They always weirdly post a topless picture of him at some point.
Messi retired years ago
legit question here, "decorated" means what?
Trophies.
Then how is Neville ahead of Alves?
>Veratti
How was this list decided?
With Silva being there it probably just means PSG has been winning their domestic competitions over and over.
Messi can create, assist, pass, score etc
CR7 has better mentality and can also score
Here in Portugal the media pushes Ronaldo as the greatest ever but for me Messi is the only out of the two that can compare to Pele and Maradona. CR7 is Cruyff/Di Stefano level which is pretty good.
This is the harsh truth. No matter what Ronaldo does, the true GOATS will always be remembered for their talent. It will always be Pele vs Maradona vs Messi
R9 getting excluded despite being as wild as Maradona is baffling.
Portugal since 2004 is evolving as an NT. Your NT just needs a playstyle that people will wet themselves over.
Fernando Santos is untouchable here since he won the Euro but he's not the right coach to get the best out of this great generation of players we have. Don't get fooled by yesterday's game. Watch us shit the bed against Uruguay in the world cup
QF if your lucky. Your League has already overtaken Ligue 1
Alfonso is losing his mind again
Switching proxy quite frequently o twainnn.
And here Ronaldo
>the absolute state of penaldo
TOP
FRICKING
KEK
All this is missing is a GTA style WASTED. Top kek.
>cherrypicked webms
Really tells a lot about pissi stans' IQ. It's a fact that Ronaldo wins more shoulder challenges.
Didn't you cherrypick webm few posts before. I mean you can provide some stat, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a fact but first support it. I wasn't talking about winning shoulder challenges. I was talking about Messi going through different type of challenges, people holding him down etc and him continuing to play despite that. Ronaldo is the exact opposite, he goes for the easy fall and he dives incessantly.
It's ranked 6th. L1 is fifth and 3rd for this season.
Messi is compared to maradona and Pele penaldo is compared to Messi that's all you need to know about fraudnaldo
There's no point talking about it objectively because the answer is clear cut, Messi. The GOAT conversation has to be subjective, to bring some differing opinions into the mix
It was always Messi for me but after losing TWICE against some random chilean Hispanic shitters I knew he wasn't that good. Seriously how do you manage to lose against two good players (Vidal and Bravo) and some farmers whose greatest achievements were playing for teams like Cardiff City, Leverkusen and Valencia.
Messi has all the talent in the world but the mentality of a choker, that's why he hasn't won an UCL in seven years since there's no one who's /strongmind/ enough to carry him anymore. Ronaldo meanwhile has an almost psychopathic relationship with victory.
>hasn't won shit after he got carried by Madrid
>Ajax, Porto, Lyon
Yes, a true winner.
He's won 5 UCLs, one with ManU and one with Madrid, and played a pivotal role in each victory. He's certainly not the kind of choker who would lose to Liverpool while leading them 3-0 on aggregate.
He's the kind of choker who loses to Liverpool 5:0 and then lashes out getting a yellow. The kind of choker who manages to choke against 10 man Porto or get destroyed by Watford (4:1) and Brighton (4:0), the kind of a choker who plays chokes in finals and waits for Bale to save him. If he had that psychopathatic relationship with victory, surely he could win more than 2 la ligas in 9 years, Hazard has just as many. Surely he would have more trophies since he's a winner?
His UCLs speak for themselves, at least he's not trying to statpad in Ligue 1 and failing at it while missing pens against Madrid
Madrid exposed him this year. He was just part of one the greatest team ever, that kept on winning even after he left. He was not carrying them like some people believe.
moronic brownoid
halal went 4 years without a UCL after he left, and even lost La Liga to Atletico last season
Cope. Madrid kept on playing the UCL. Meanwhile Barca couldn't even win the Europa League. Ronaldo was playing for the better team, which is fine though because Messi also had the better team in the early 2010s. He is the GOAT striker for me, but not better than Messi. He can't carry a team in same way as Messi.
Madrid is perfectly managed except for blunders like Mbappé and Barça is a landfill fire.
Cristiano has been carrying the United squad this year, they'd be 14th if not for him.
How can you know they would be 14th? They were second last year and he made everybody worse. Penandes is absolutely garbage with him in the team. The logic that without Ronaldo all goes are suddenly subtracted is complete nonsense. They all play balls to him, he is their only scoring outlet, everybody is looking for him, if they aren't he throws a hissy fit. So their whole play revolves around him and he decided to take a vacation for a few months with his finishing. If he didn't come, Sancho would be given more prominent role, Martial wouldn't be loaned. You don't know how many they would score, since they were 2nd last year.
>reaching ucl
Lol, their main goalscorer in ucl since 16/17, after Messi is "own goals", then Suarez with 5 and Neymar with 4. They finish 2nd after they bought 5 players and new manager. The core group he left wasn't even in contention for top 4. The core will be rebuild, they would never win ucl without him.
>Cristiano has been carrying the United squad this year, they'd be 14th if not for him.
Idk about that, he obviously played good but he didn't carry them because he only scores. When the team lacks creation he can't do anything.
2000s Ronaldo could have carried this team to top 4 imo.
Pissi has been shit for 5 years now, reduced to collect paychecks in Paris and statpadding against mighty Estonia.
kek
Yes, he's missing penalties against Middlesbrough and trying to statpad in Europa League and Euro qualifiers.
He only won UCLs with Madrid as players carrying him arrived. He was impotent for years. Le winner monster and has less trophies lol.
They were riddled with injuries. Once they got it together they started winning. Why? Because winning UCLs for Madrid is winning on easy mode.
>riddled with injuries for four years
holy fricking cope
of course madrid were going to win the UCL again at some point, they're one of the richest clubs on earth, doesn't change the fact that they had a four year slump
next you'll argue that barcelona's current slump is due to messi leaving for pee$g and not because of their financial situation. pretty fricking pathetic
Yes, during Zidane's second stint they were obliterated with injuries and injuries are the main reason why Bale was given an extension. Do you even follow Madrid?
They won it with the same core but without Ronaldo. The core that Messi was carrying for years dumped into Europa League. The same core + new additions didn't even reach the final of EL.
Messi has been carrying that corpse of a team for years, everybody watching football could see that.
"the core that messi was carrying" also finished second in la liga and will be in the UCL next year, only to choke as they've done every year since 2015 obviously
I don't think pissi was all that irreplaceable if reaching the UCL was the goal
It's funny how Barca became a corpse that Messi has to carry ever since Iniesta, Xavi, Neymar, etc left. Almost like he was being carried himself.
That makes no sense. If you replace good players with shit like Coutinho then of course he had to carry them, that's why the fell out of EL. Meanwhile Penaldo left, the KCM and others stayed and they just won UCL. Definition of being carried.
Nah, the definition of being carried is when you spend 7 years not winning UCLs after your babysitters leave.
Don't worry, it'll happen to Penaldo soon, he already left the guys carrying him and since then we had wonderful exits to Ajax, Lyon, 10 men Porto and Patletico. Next year is Europa. Wonderful times ahead.
At the end of it all he'll still have one more UCL though
>2 league titles in 9 years
>0 European titles in 7 years
Almost as many as between the Man Utd's one and the one where Bale and Ramos saved him.
True but Messi's never winning one again. PSG doesn't have what it takes to carry him to glory.
Penaldo might, after he carried Man utd. from second EPL place to 6th into EL, the competition there might just be his level. Hopefully he doesn't run into 10 men Porto or scary Lyon yet again.
Sure and les trophies on all level. UCL with the knowledge that the core group just did it again with absolute easy without Pissnaldo.
Less, levels, ease* christ
He's literally saved Madrid many times in the UCL, like against ManU in 2013 or against Wolfsburg in 2016. To say he didn't play a role in Madrid's victories is peak hypocrisy.
Kek you got this from twitter didn't you. Doesn't change the fact that two goals against a League A team like Switzerland is infinitely superior than five goals in a friendly against a League D team.
Yes and when Messi puts Farca 3:0 against Liverpool and creates gazillion other chances in both legs while Farca's defence shit its pants, he didn't do anything according to Ronaldogays. Truth is, Ronaldo had an elite team that won without him. Messi had a garbage, not even Europa League team for years.
Of course he had a role, was he irreplaceable in that core group? No.
>Penaldo statpads for his national record
Oh my lawd the goat the goat, the athletic diving of the goat
>Messi does the same for the first time
Pissi pissi
Hypocrisy knows no bounds.
they had argentine coaches
Also we lose only in penalties
That chile generation went to a confed final, almost beat Brazil in the wc, beat the shit out out of Spain, 7-0 to Mexico, etc etc it was a very good team
you have to be some mouth breathing baboon or troll to think cristiano is better
>some mouth breathing baboon or troll
So... an American? But you seem to think that Missi is better.