Cruz sometimes equates damage to cuts entirely, even as far as saying things like someone might have won the round they were losing because of a cut
I think he's wrong but the thing is he only started saying that after they all met with the judges. Maybe they do look at cuts as significant damage and the criteria is that thick
cosmetic damage is for sure important but it's not as important as concussive damage in the same scoring criteria all these guys are touting
in the replay of erceg cutting open pantoja in round 3 you can literally see erceg's eyes roll back in his head
yes if you slice someone open with an elbow it scores as effective offence but not to the same extent as rocking someone
cazzies will just see swelling or blood and kvetch about robberies, the rules specify that actions with immediate impact score more
I made several posts last week telling /heem/ that Borralho would heem Craig and was met with nothing but derision every time. You're all moronic and do not understand this sport.
frick that homie I hate him so much it is unreal and hope he gets brutally heemed again >gay ass moronic downie look >gay ass walk out >gay ass LE THIS IS A LE TOUGH GUY LOOK LIKE fans >gay ass nickname(THE FRICKING "highlight") >gay ass coach >gay ass tattoos >gay ass memebelt
My picks are correct even when they aren't. As you play tic tac toe in the sandbox, I play chess. These binary wins and losses hold no value in the face of true ontological combat sports analyses which span across the decades like laws of the universe.
I think you're misinterpreting the rules tbh
Things can't be 100% equal if I take you down, even if I do nothing with it because I am the more effective grappler. It's minor but it is a change of position I forced. It definitely factors into scoring even if slightly.
That section of the rules is for octagon control, which is why it's called fighting area control, because all mma fights don't take place in an octagon.
Octagon control is only scored if other factors are 100% equal, that's normal and like it says, is only assessed rarely. You don't assess takedowns and top control rarely.
That whole section is about octagon control
I've boyed Caio when he took the meme picture with the gayestani, I knew I was right when he was the only one to perfectly predict how Sean would frick Jizzy up
Ihor is a homosexual. Hopefully he gets heemed again soon. That said Michel is also a fricking homosexual and I hope to see him get brutally heemed in the near future.
Dude lives in Germany, baht don't fly there.
Also, imagine having a godking autokrat, and he lives abroad LMAO
MR fights take his portrait to the ring and sing a prayer, meanwhile the king is sleeping in Europe.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's tawlf used to be that way here too my sympathies to the fine people of thailand especially the heemers
which is a good thing on paper, you think this means that the JUST BLEED era is back but no, is trash in the sense that psuedo-intellectual YT gays in a room get a lot of attention
it really makes me appreciate "professional" sports homosexuals like Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless, closest one is Ariel Hiewani but even he has a trashy stream zoomer style presentation on top of that he sucks anyways
i don't watch ufc and i almost never check this thread but in the few times i did theres always an american crying about some stupid shit so i guess it's just like the english when it comes to football
is this an anglo thing?
is flushed
Pantoja looked normal, it was just a tricky matchup for him
Anyone in the know could see that Erceg would be a hard fight stylistically, a very tough and rangey outside boxer with a lot of tools vs a flat footed brawler
Honestly Pantoja did a bit better than I was expecting, Erceg didn't really know how to stop the blitzes because nothing he was throwing really hurt Pantoja
Mokaev is the easier fight stylistically for Pantoja, so if he loses to him we know if he's really flushed
I think he would easily beat Mokaev. Best scrambles. Even with mokaev's new cheese spamming technique of sitting on his butt/knee (to avoid knee) and exploding to a takedown.
Wish I knew which commissions are adopting the new grounded rules and which aren't. It seems fuzzy and even the refs aren't sure of it.
How is this not an illegal knee to a grounded opponent? I hope it gets overturned because this nacos did the same thing to diego lopez and needs to learn to stop
It's not that it shouldnt be legal its that it's literally ILLEGAL right now to fighters and looking to protect themselves from it. Imagine if I arbitrarily decided kicking you in the nuts was legal midfight and no one did anything to stop it
but a nutshot isnt going to knock you out and if it does they will overturn the results, you dont have to like it but this is similair to when yan kneed aljo albeit not a title fight. Just make it a no contest, and im sure the ufc will still give pereira plenty of big upcoming fights anyway
It's similar to Anderson Silva's knee to Chael Sonnen against the cage in their second fight. If it's the chest/neck/chin all at once, they usually don't count it as illegal. There's also the intentionality that sometimes plays a part. Turning your back like Michel is a smart way to get around that.
In the slow mo, if you pay attention to trajectory, it seems to me like it clearly hits the collar bone first, then Ihor's head whips INTO Michel's knee due to the impact on the collar/neck area.
You can see a gap between his chin and the leg.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Looks less bad honestly in the replay.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Actually now you slow it down we can see the common trickery in full display he's headbutting the knee in some kind of counteroffensyiv, probably trying to Aljo his way to victory KWAB
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Kikkeli
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hehheh kikkeli, min klubba luktar inte popcorn längre
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Chael agreed w pereira decision on his twitter. Happened to him in both silva and jones fights against the cage. Worse than this.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Absolutely disgusting illegal move.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
pussy b***h lmao
he needs to do this just so i can enjoy sois crying
Not michels fault the moronic hohol moved his head into his knee. its like if i was thrusting my groin into your kicks in an attempt to get you DQ'd for illegal strikes
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Aljamain Sterling and his consequences have been a disaster for the UFC
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah im glad dana fricked his career up after sean beat him and made aljo an eternal prelim fighter just because of that. Frick that nig
I knew smiff would win, couldn't believe my eyes when i saw he was nearly a 3-1 underdog. Bookies are clueless, they're lucky i'm not a gambling man or i would have bankrupted them years ago. Currently watching the Pantoja fight, 2-0 pantoja.
I'm convinced americans are just jealous.
If this was an american whiteboy doing a back flip and landing on some brazilians neck no one would say a goddamn thing.
Learn to get good at this
Well they're not wrong, if you had a any self awareness you'd see that. I always. Knew this place was an embarrassment but seeing it from an outsiders pint of view is even more shameful.
this knee wasn't illegal from pereira, but at some point he'll hit a guy square in the face with that and get dqed. don't care though, he's fun to watch.
No but its alot better than people thought it would be. Everyone know 300 would be hype as frick and would be hard to live up to expectations. 301 had negative hype and was way better than the general public said it would be
Once jon jones beats pereria for the LHW title does anthony smiff get a rematch to finally prove that he is actually the greatest on paper fighter ever
You see the organic spamming of the comments on Pantoja's post presser video, funny to see zoomers spaz out like boomers I blame the coof and it's consequences
cazzies think a cut in one round that opens up in other rounds means more damage is done
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nah. if it was a slicing cut. but this was a smashing elbow that gashed him open w the blunt part. the point is it's more damage than the opponent was able to do lil bro. no one really cares either way it's fricking flyweight bro lmao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Black amigo that's what i'm saying, cazzies like you think a single hit should win him the fight
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>that's what I'm saying
You're a little bit moronic
mokaev got scramble checked by da lou and was nearly subbed by some short notice dwcs can as well as THE baby homie and maybe even tim elliott if i remember right. pantoja would ragdoll him
He would have unironically shattered the image of Jones in 1 round. And we'll never get to see it because Jones waited until RIGHT as he was leaving to return.
oh honestly couldn't care who wins that one, I'm there for the prelim, rei tsuruya debut. now that I'm looking at it that's the only good fight that night.
chandler probably wins though, right? gregor is more talented but is he talented enough to have done crack every day for 3 years with no fights and still win? his leg might also never be the same, who can say at this point
Ah yeah your boy from the Road to UFC, 303 looks weaker than 302 I think they're banking on the main event selling it conor is smarter than chandler and could bait him into fighting like an imbecile but I also think it's probably too much to recover from an injury and the partying
Jon is terrified of guys whwo hit hard >had nightmares about Rampage (lmao) >ducked Rumble >ducked Jan after he heemed Corey >ducked Francis >ducked Aspinall
Erceg won rounds 2,3,and 4 on damage at least. If the fight wasn't in Brazil he would have won. I genuinely can't understand what you guys are thinking.
4-1 Pantoja is absolutely disgraceful when all he did was hold on for dear life.
The hallmark of /heem/ is disagreeing with obvious decisions and agreeing with robberies. What else do you expect on a forum of friendless losers who desperately need attention
I don't understand what's so shocking about Pantoja beating Erceg 4-1. I don't think Erceg won a single round. The striking was either even in every round or decisively in favor of Pantoja. Erceg was able to land a few impressive combos and tagged Pantoja a few times, but the striking and dominance was on the side of Pantoja for every round. I think you guys just got lazy and stopped watching because the fight was boring.
People are acting like Pantoja didn't land anything just because Erceg had cleaner technique. Whenever Anik did a big reaction something landing for Erceg, Pantoja also hit him.
nah he lost but did better than moreno, kape and royvall. def good. you might just be casual or not have an eye for the sport. not a bad thing because we need guys like you to keep the lights on honestly. respect.
What baffles me about this reaction is that nobody complained this much after the Charles/Arman fight even though Charles decisively won that fight based on the actual scoring criteria described in the UR.
shartles got outstruck and outgrappled every round, you're experiencing insane delusions
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Arman only barely outstruck him in two rounds and the submission attempts Charles made came closer to ending the fight each time. That's how fights are supposed to be scored. Arman never even approached a finish. Charles won at least two rounds comfortably.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
lmao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's two rounds, and in those rounds, Charles put Arman in submission attempts that almost finished the fight. Comfortable 29-28 for Charles.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The hallmark of /heem/ is disagreeing with obvious decisions and agreeing with robberies. What else do you expect on a forum of friendless losers who desperately need attention
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>failed submissions matter more than actual effective striking
stop embarrassing yourself
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's a draw at best. Outstruck busted up each round and controlled outside two unsuccessful attempts
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No because charles came closer to the finish.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He didn't finish and got controlled. You're rating the idea of the attempt over the reality of it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You don't know the rules.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's ironic to say since you laughed at the idea of a cut not counting as damage
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Re-read your own post and figure out what I laughed about.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Probably just brain damage from toxoplasmosis. My bad
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Snore
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Frick the rules
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I would accept a draw, but he came closer to finishing which is what matters in the scoring criteria. I'm taking that terminology directly from the Unified Rules.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's terminology that's not the rules itself. There's nothing that says a failed submission attempt outweighs getting controlled an entire round. Its purely subjective.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The terminology "with potential to contribute to a finish" and "with the immediate weighing more heavily than accumulative" are both in the Unified Rules and repeated multiple times. They specifically state that control time and even advancing the position do not in and of themselves contribute to a finish and must lead to a real possibilty of finishing the fight (meaning effective ground and pound or submission attempts). Based on that criteria, Charles won the fight.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They specifically state that control time and even advancing the position do not in and of themselves contribute to a finish and must lead to a real possibilty of finishing the fight (meaning effective ground and pound or submission attempts).
Based.
Erceg was robbed then.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Neither man really contributed to a potential finish in that fight, unfortunately.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
A bad cut is a potential finish. Strikes that immediately make someone grab for a leg are closer to a potential finish than grabbing someone's leg.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cuts don't factor into scoring criteria. You may have an argument for the strikes that caused Pantoja to panic wrestle, though. But that only happened, what, twice? Don't think that'd be significant enough to tilt the scales in Erceg's favor
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cuts count as impact. Big John explains this.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They can't, because it's a matter of scar tissue and not just damage. It's too unreliable. Visible, bodily reaction is a more sensible criterion.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They can and do. You are just inserting your own opinion. Do you actually think Erceg opened up a cut on the basis of scar tissue?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>on the basis of scar tissue?
Yes. Pantona bleeds quite often, even when he wins. It's not a reliable criterion.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He bleeds often from the hairline? He should get that checked out. Maybe you can get both get your heads checked you enormous moron lmaoooo
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I understand you're a bit dense, but I'm not denying Erceg opened up a cut. I'm saying it's not a good indicator of damage because some people bleed more easily than others. Bodily response is more reliable, and that's why I granted you the shots that forced Pantoja to wrestle.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I didn't say you denied it. In fact I correctly restated you attribute this massive elbow Pantoja ran into, to alleged scar tissue on his hairline. And not the strike itself.
Anything else you need assistance with?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
We all saw the elbow. You don't need to see a cut to know it landed. We're talking about damage, which is harder to define. A cut does not mean "more damage."
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Slice your head open then suck a dick. Tell me who came out more damaged.
Pantoja beat Moreno by laying & praying in the 5th in a 2-2 fight. Erceg attempted 2 takedowns in the 5th and let Pantoja control him when he would have won if he just fricking jabbed and moved. Worst fight IQ in a title fight in years
>Rosenberg coined the term mixed martial arts, or MMA, in his review of the first Ultimate Fighting Championship event UFC 1 in Los Angeles Times on November 15, 1993.
Every damn time
I just saw The Orolbi fight, fricking hell those guys are different. One of the only Countries I've been to I didn't feel safe in all the time, you could feel it in the Air, the fact you could get messed up bad at any minute and nobody would give a frick
So inconsequential that he was clutching his head in pain and almost vomited lmao. A cut that bad can get a fight stopped which is easily more consequential than any grappling Pantoja did.
That cut was no where close to having the fight called, have you watched MMA before? Perhaps if it was right above the eye, but it was above the forehead and plugged easily on the stool. A doctor didn't even get called in to look at it cause everyone knew it was just painful, but not fight ending.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You've been arguing this whole thread about who was closer to ending the fight. A bad cut which has a guy vomiting and clutching his head scores more than inconsequential takedowns. That's the rules.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I just got here. I don't care about ONE/Pride le who would win if the fight was forever! Pantoja won 3 rounds to Erceg's 2. All there is to it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>jumps into an argument to dishonestly read an argument and argue on someone's behalf
Based sperg.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I wasn't arguing on anyone's behalf. I saw your post and thought it was stupid. You're literally not even replying to someone else in the original post
Erceg came closer to ending the fight against Pantoja. So clearly he won.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's been about a dozen original posts you're gonna have to find a different cope.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>log on to r/heem between training >scroll to bottom >see moron posting >own him >changes argument
Every time. Now I'm gonna go kick 200lbs of linen until my shins break.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah you got me by arguing a point I didn't make. Go break your cankles, tubby
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Erceg was closer to winning the fight with a run of the mill cut above the forehead that wasn't even close to causing a stoppage in a round he got out struck by about 12 strikes and taken down and controlled
That was your point, and it's dumb.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh hey look you stopped pretending to have just joined the conversation and are back to arguing irrelevant quantitative metrics lol what a loser you are
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I joined here
How did he come closer to ending the fight? Cause of two inconsequential cuts?
What does this have to do with your dumb arguments?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You have mental identity issues. I'm sorry to have triggered it.
Look man the champion's advantage is a real thing. Unless you are Sean Strickland and you went on a rant on how you hate gay people right before the fight. If that happens you are losing the decision even when you win the fight.
Yesterday a hue asked how to retain speed while getting older so here's how
First there's reaction speed and then physical speed.
Reaction speed naturally lowers with age, this is specially true in combat sports since some studies indicate a loss a gray matter of up to 0.02% per combat but there are ways to recover that believe it or not.
Just like motor skills can be trained so can cognitive skills, learning new things constantly, reading, analyzing things like fights, all that can slow down that speed processing decline from age and combat sports.
More specific to reflexes, playing shooter games is unironically a great way to develop reflexes and for combat sports reacting to a visual stimulation creates that reaction time, like you can drill with a partner to react against jabs or any technique and train that reaction and overtime increase the speed so you can react faster but here you have to be careful because this can develop a predictable reaction in you and build a bad habit so a good way to counter this is to use different techniques to answer in a drill and have your partner also do the technique you are drilling against in different ways like combos or with feints or with changes in speed.
This is for reaction time but just because you can see a shot coming doesn't mean you can react to it because there's a delay between reaction time and the time it takes your brain to signal your body to move, to close that gap you train your body obviously and the best way to do it is to train the strength speed curve.
The strength speed curve is simply that a max strength effort will be slow and a max speed effort will be low on force and different points where strength and speed met.
Maximum strength will be slow but this is the base for everything so even if you want to prioritize speed, having some strength training is essential and you train this with conventional strength training but also slow repetitions, isometrics and carries.
(1/3)
Some people don't like lifting too much because they are afraid of putting on muscle but unless you are a dyel with too much fat or are on a caloric surplus you won't put on mass and even then that's the opposite of a problem because if you build muscle with a athletic approach that muscle will be extra effective for that athletic aspect, if you gain muscle through strength training that muscle will be extra strong, if you gain muscle with speed training that muscle will be extra fast, so gaining a bit of mass is the opposite of a problem.
Then there is strength speed and speed strength wich simply refer to power but is a bit different.
The first has a high rate of force production (strength) and the second has less force production and higher acceleration (speed), think of fighters like Pereira and Michael chandler, Pereira is very powerful because he has a lot of strength so he is able to produce a lot of force even though he isn't super fast, Michael Chandler is faster but not necessarily as strong but can hit hard because of the speed component.
To train this you use heavy lifting with speed like in a Olympic lift or lifting a heavy weight with a certain speed using a pedometer to measure the bar speed.
For the second one you use lighter weights and higher speed, you can do the same exercises as before but also weighted plyometrics, med ball slams and throws, resisted sprints.
This is called rate of force development.
Then for speed this is trained by doing the activity you want to be fast at as fast as possible but also with plyometrics.
Now yesterday i mentioned a few things, the stretch shortening cycle is the muscles and tendons ability to stretch under load (the load being forces created by momentum during high intensity sports) then absorb that force in an isometric contraction and release that force in a concentric contraction, the strenth and rfd parts already train this to a degree but to make it max speed efficient you need plyometrics for wich you have two types of plyos, slow and fast stretch.
A slow stretch is when you land in a half squat and immediately jump back and a fast stretch is the same but you land in a quarter squat, more generic plyometrics like jump squats box jumps are rfd oriented because they are not fast enough.
I also mentioned elasticity and reactive strength, elasticity is trained with plyos and reactive strength is having that isometric tendon strength to maximize the efficiency of the stretch shortening cycle.
Finally we have over speed training wich is max speed training with assistance, for example a pogo jump with an elastic band or a sprint downhill on a slight decline, much like strength will maximize the efficiency of your nervous system to produce strength, this will maximize the efficiency to move fast.
Now if you read everything you might wonder why you shouldn't just train plyometrics for speed and you can do that but is not going to be as efficient.
The best way to train all this is in phases where you focus in strength, then power and speed for a while to maximize everything but you can also do a routine where you add an exercise of every aspect to make your routine in a ppl split starting with speed, then power and ending with strength or you can have a speed focused routine and do a bit of power and strength training at the end of your routine to supplement it.
Even if speed is your focus you shouldn't neglect strength, keep in mind that based on the speed strength curve, speed doesn't have enough time to produce force and needs momentum to generate that force and is because of this that fast fighters tend to have glass chins, because speed requires muscle relaxation and they don't have much strength so mixing strength power and speed will give you better results without any of the downsides.
So short answer, train reaction time, do plyos and lift weights.
>Charles vs Arman
Charles was badly out struck this fight
Won round 1 through submission attempts
Arman won round 2 with hard ground and pound
Round 3 arman was cooking him on the feet, hit him with some ground strikes, and then charles got the Darce. You could argue the last minute submission attempt win Charles the fight, but Arman was doing better for most of it >Pantoja vs Erceg
Round 1 Pantoja overwhelmed him completely, smothered him with takedowns and outstruck him. Pantoja round
Round 2 Erceg started to find his feet and outlanded him but Pantoja started cracking him. A good round for Erceg but there's a real argument Pantoja won it
Round 3 Erceg couldn't really do anything to stop Pantoja when he decided to move forward. He cut him with an elbow but Pantoja landed a hard strike that clearly hurt him and caused his eyes to roll into the back of his head for a second. Also got the takedown when damage was arguably on his side already. Pantoja round
Round 4 Pantoja didn't do much and Erceg pieced him up pretty bad. Erceg round
Round 5 was mostly even on the feet. Both guys were landing good shots. What really changed the round was Erceg shooting, getting reversed, and then mat returned every time he got up. Maybe he was shooting because he was looking for a submission, but it looked to me like Pantoja hurt him to the body and Erceg panic shot. The clearest Pantoja round
Your Leon won the titul using rulebending magick don't be greedy b
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Exactly, any why do you think? Because people like you think it's no big deal, so why would anyone stop doing it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's big cl*z here not big john I'm a newbie cazzie
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Are you not the original Finn? Have I been wasting my time talking with you these past weeks? You never had an official name, I only first heard the name Cloz a few days ago
Been trying to talk about FN but people want to spam streamers picks and argue over them instead I like that the wmma is gooner geared and kept to a minimum, plus the dodgy Cuban prospect and hot bawllz are both fighting
Anthony Smith won. I am euphoric. Went out after his win and treated myself to an mcdonalds small cheeseburger. Silently toasted the burger in the air and mouthed, "To you, Anthony" before relishing the first bite as it was a victory bite for Smith and I.
Are you the same poster giving people health advice? A deep cut in the shin is pretty bad I got one once and it healed in almost two months and still looks gnarly and it didn't bleed as badly as that
Pantoja is simply unheemable and DJ can be heemed, but I think DJ would actually be superior in the sprawl, which is where most of the fight would take place, think DJ vs Cejudo 2
>immediately starts holding his head, instinctively protecting it because it just suffered massive trauma >almost pukes in the stool >avoids engaging and takes the next 5 minutes off in order to stay alive in this world
no damage bro, that control time was a peach of a beast
He did not win 3. One elbow that happens to cut and a left hook does not take away Pantoja out striking him by 10+, and taking him down and controlling for the last 90 seconds of the round.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it does when that one elbow does that much damage and none of pantoja's strikes were as clean
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>that much damage
That's such a basic cut from an elbow, that's what elbows do. The left hook arguably did more damage based on reaction from Pantoja. Pantojas knees in the clinch to the body were about as clean as it gets.
big cut and head strikes > leg kicks
Such a dishonest thing to say. It was almost all body work.
This is all Erceg did that was meaningful that round.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Basic cut that makes someone vomit in excruciating pain = worthless
Basic punch that has otherwise no effect = STOP THE FIGHT!!!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>dude Anik said he looks like he's gonna vomit it must be true >punches have no fight wide affect
I'm talking to a literal moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Was it even Anik I have a faint memory it was one of the less reputable two maybe even El Drinko himself
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was Anik.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wow THE punch? Give him every round!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's literally your argument for Erceg winning round 3.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Actually an elbow. But I'm talking to a literal moron so you're forgiven.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's more than three of us in this thread, moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
didn't even mention the cut
it's everything else that was very telling
if one strike fricked you up so badly you even lost the next round to recover, maybe that strike did some real damage
pantoja's reaction immediately when he clinched too
that elbow and left hook combination was simply the most significant moment of the round, everything else was pillow fists from both
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean I pretty much agree with all of that outside of the fact that you're factoring in other rounds to score round 3 which simply isn't how UFC judging works. Pantoja won round 3 based on landing 10+ more strikes, walking Erceg down, taking him down and keeping him down for 90 seconds after the elbow hook combo mind you. 2 very well timed strikes doesn't eliminate all of that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You literally just made the argument that Pantoja landing one punch had the potential for fight wide effects.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I was talking about Erceg's left hook after the elbow you absolute mongoloid.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>cut out the eyepoke right before the elbow
KEK
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
big cut and head strikes > leg kicks
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
15 body shots do more damage than one cut. Made Erceg tired enough to throw away the fifth.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>tired enough to throw away the 5th
no that was just inexperience and low fight IQ, everyone who's ever done any grappling and striking will tell you that striking takes way less energy and Erceg was the fresher fighter by far.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You say this then say Oliveira's one submission attempt that got reversed won him multiple rounds
15 body shots do more damage than one cut. Made Erceg tired enough to throw away the fifth.
Good thing Erceg landed more than a brutalizing elbow that had Pantoja writhing and nauseous.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have Arman winning that fight. You know more people exist than just you and one other guy right?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice backpedal to argue something incoherent. Beautiful work.
I agree. Really weird how this Pantoja fight brought out the sore loser shartles fans. Overwhelming majority of fighters, experts, and judges correctly scored it for Arman.
>Anon is approaching to check grasso's.......potty situation >He is taking a good look >Now this is a very important job, it might seem odd to the uneducated viewers at home but loss of bodily functions are very serious, anon seems to like what he sees >He is taking a bit longer than expected >Is he....wai..OOOOH ANON TOOK A TURD OUT OF GRASSO SHORTS AND IS EATING IT STOP THE FIGHT IS OVER OOOH ANON CLIMBED THE CAGE LIKE A MONKEY >HE IS EATING SHIT OOOOOOOH
https://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/unified-rules-mma-2019.pdf
Required reading for anyone who wishes to post in this thread.
Frick the rules and frick you
its hilarious how much cazzies overrate cosmetic "damage" like cuts and swelling
strickland lost
erceg lost
Cruz sometimes equates damage to cuts entirely, even as far as saying things like someone might have won the round they were losing because of a cut
I think he's wrong but the thing is he only started saying that after they all met with the judges. Maybe they do look at cuts as significant damage and the criteria is that thick
cosmetic damage is for sure important but it's not as important as concussive damage in the same scoring criteria all these guys are touting
in the replay of erceg cutting open pantoja in round 3 you can literally see erceg's eyes roll back in his head
yes if you slice someone open with an elbow it scores as effective offence but not to the same extent as rocking someone
cazzies will just see swelling or blood and kvetch about robberies, the rules specify that actions with immediate impact score more
We are so back
we old
time out
death
heemed by the fricking cage
How is Pool Krieg so bad at fighting?
He's been doing it all his life.
Move down a weight class to bully smaller guys, still get dominated. Spends all than money still has a bald patch kek
Saw this coming the day the fight was announced kek. How does he have absolutely zero defensive capabilities?
I made several posts last week telling /heem/ that Borralho would heem Craig and was met with nothing but derision every time. You're all moronic and do not understand this sport.
still smoking that Gaycheese pack
frick that homie I hate him so much it is unreal and hope he gets brutally heemed again
>gay ass moronic downie look
>gay ass walk out
>gay ass LE THIS IS A LE TOUGH GUY LOOK LIKE fans
>gay ass nickname(THE FRICKING "highlight")
>gay ass coach
>gay ass tattoos
>gay ass memebelt
You’re gay ass one
good post
My picks are correct even when they aren't. As you play tic tac toe in the sandbox, I play chess. These binary wins and losses hold no value in the face of true ontological combat sports analyses which span across the decades like laws of the universe.
So you’re good at posting predictions on an image board. Great accomplishment.
An accomplishment? Maybe from your lowly perspective. These predictions are merely my fluent thoughts.
I think you're misinterpreting the rules tbh
Things can't be 100% equal if I take you down, even if I do nothing with it because I am the more effective grappler. It's minor but it is a change of position I forced. It definitely factors into scoring even if slightly.
That section of the rules is for octagon control, which is why it's called fighting area control, because all mma fights don't take place in an octagon.
Octagon control is only scored if other factors are 100% equal, that's normal and like it says, is only assessed rarely. You don't assess takedowns and top control rarely.
That whole section is about octagon control
Control my dick b***h
subject too small
I’ll kill you
I have 2 new boys after last night
shut up
you will drop Erceg the second he loses and Caio you will drop if he loses 2
They are not your boys they are your current hype trains.
Sick of filthy boyhoppers.
No
my boy since 301
>no Ruffy
I've boyed Caio when he took the meme picture with the gayestani, I knew I was right when he was the only one to perfectly predict how Sean would frick Jizzy up
i had him boyed 6 fights ago
OHHHHHH
Sorry I was in the wrong thread I'm exhausted and it's warm and sunny can't heem sleepy
>kneeing a downed opponent in the head, but it's so cool the ref let's it happen
Based.
Shame about Ihor, hope he gets another fight.
meh landed more on his shoulder/chest than his head anyway, also it should be allowed
He had a fight booked with Sharaputdin Magomedov later this year that is supposedly still on despite this fight also being booked, which is weird
Kek you're right he's on the khamzat whittaker card
Well, you can't say he's not trying.
And 2 of his losses were pretty unlucky.
Ihor is a homosexual. Hopefully he gets heemed again soon. That said Michel is also a fricking homosexual and I hope to see him get brutally heemed in the near future.
no hes kino
Brother can you make a webm of the favelita in the white top taking pics with Pantoja after the fight in the crowd?
Didn’t watch the fight but Erceg won
Erceg deserved to lose because he shot takedowns like a moronic b***h in r4 and 5
He is originally a grappler, look up his earlier fights.
>filename
Lumpineechads are we just going to sit here and let him do that to us
*enters the thread*
A bahtless cry for help if I ever saw one
Dude lives in Germany, baht don't fly there.
Also, imagine having a godking autokrat, and he lives abroad LMAO
MR fights take his portrait to the ring and sing a prayer, meanwhile the king is sleeping in Europe.
It's tawlf used to be that way here too my sympathies to the fine people of thailand especially the heemers
Yeah, a court date
Judges rigged the decision for Pootoja because they knew they’d get beheaded by the favelados if Erceg won.
have a nice day unironically.
Does this mean Herb Dean would've stabbed Erceg?
Ngl I have felt that way about many referees brasiw is truly land of the free
>proving his point
Pantoja used to be more entertaining than this, guess he is old for a 125er now though
He always at all times was mindlessly blitzing forward to get a body lock and try grappling. He never at any time did anything else.
The MMA culture seems more trashy than usual
which is a good thing on paper, you think this means that the JUST BLEED era is back but no, is trash in the sense that psuedo-intellectual YT gays in a room get a lot of attention
it really makes me appreciate "professional" sports homosexuals like Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless, closest one is Ariel Hiewani but even he has a trashy stream zoomer style presentation on top of that he sucks anyways
ur minding ur business at the UFC pee AI and this
How does an Oriental woman actually own a Buttox, this is uncanny
I can see her whiffle-fin
i'll fricking say it if none of you pussies will. anthony smith is one of the most attractive fighters in history.
*dad walks in*
uhh ercegtrannies?
Ben Davis is unironically the only person on this list that has ever fought
ercegs own corner knew he lost 4-1
>Be Brazilian
>Win title fight in Brazil
>Start your post fight interview by begging the crowd to stop leaving the arena
colby buck broke the entire nation kek
Nobody remember who this guy is, and what relation would he have with people leaving the crowd?
Goddamn, you are one dumb amerimmut
i don't watch ufc and i almost never check this thread but in the few times i did theres always an american crying about some stupid shit so i guess it's just like the english when it comes to football
is this an anglo thing?
R9 is the best ever
Goobs vs Aldo 2, it's time
and the weight, mr aldo? a hoondred and eighty foive pounds
At the end of the day, Anthony Smith is a warrior and deserves respect
If Erceg is italian how do you feel about Ms Ciccone
Smiff doesn't think so
Who?
UFC's competition and where Daner was probably watching the pillowtap last night
She is a satanist she even has her braids done as if they were curved horns look into it
She's not a great postergranny for selling a soul, tragic even
Americans just discovered football four years ago they have no idea who he is or that he used to be four weightclasses down
My old boys: Pavlovich, Paulo, Colby, Yan, Gaethje, and Jiri
Current boys: Alex Pereira, Shavkat, Paulo, Erceg, Omalley, Caio Barralho, Aspinall and Max
Frick you you fake one piece of shit
Aldo can probably beat the bottom five of bantamweight but once he starts fighting top 10 he gets obliterated again
Anthony Smith will be LHW champ before the year is out
isn't the term "boys" for your favorite fighters kinda sexist? :/
How can he be still so good
100% the highlight of yesterday though there were better fights even substitute DW said so at the post presser
Why does it seem like she's ashamed of him? Haha
Nah she's just overwhelmed, it's probably pretty intense to walk through that crowd as a child when all the focus is on you and your dad
Course, I get that
>Klose won
>the Neandhertal won
>no Brito kino
>Caio won
>Smith won
>Pantoja is flushed
Terrible night for mma
incredible night, I won big, and two of my boys (pantoja and brito) won
if only jean silva could've had his win, that would have been perfect
is flushed
Pantoja looked normal, it was just a tricky matchup for him
Anyone in the know could see that Erceg would be a hard fight stylistically, a very tough and rangey outside boxer with a lot of tools vs a flat footed brawler
Honestly Pantoja did a bit better than I was expecting, Erceg didn't really know how to stop the blitzes because nothing he was throwing really hurt Pantoja
Mokaev is the easier fight stylistically for Pantoja, so if he loses to him we know if he's really flushed
I think he would easily beat Mokaev. Best scrambles. Even with mokaev's new cheese spamming technique of sitting on his butt/knee (to avoid knee) and exploding to a takedown.
Wish I knew which commissions are adopting the new grounded rules and which aren't. It seems fuzzy and even the refs aren't sure of it.
You are right and i was wrong.
cm punk tier performance from paul craig. how is he getting worse
Couldn’t watch the card last was it as bad as I excepted?
No it was actually quite peachy and fun
Looks like only 8 game threads so maybe /heem/ thought it was boring.
The chad spammy scared away the virgin heemsters with his unceasing quotes every 3 minutes
some good fights, couple of great finishes, several top fighters on display, was an excellent night of entertainment for me
>starts watching mma as a kid
>this shit is good
>20 years later all fighters are now gay
its over
If you get guillomemed you should consider retiring, if you get guillomemed by Smiff you should consider roping
How is this not an illegal knee to a grounded opponent? I hope it gets overturned because this nacos did the same thing to diego lopez and needs to learn to stop
man shut up homie it should be allowed, also he barely scraped his head
It's not that it shouldnt be legal its that it's literally ILLEGAL right now to fighters and looking to protect themselves from it. Imagine if I arbitrarily decided kicking you in the nuts was legal midfight and no one did anything to stop it
it is legal, you get 3 free nutshots a fight
but a nutshot isnt going to knock you out and if it does they will overturn the results, you dont have to like it but this is similair to when yan kneed aljo albeit not a title fight. Just make it a no contest, and im sure the ufc will still give pereira plenty of big upcoming fights anyway
>implying
It's similar to Anderson Silva's knee to Chael Sonnen against the cage in their second fight. If it's the chest/neck/chin all at once, they usually don't count it as illegal. There's also the intentionality that sometimes plays a part. Turning your back like Michel is a smart way to get around that.
In the slow mo, if you pay attention to trajectory, it seems to me like it clearly hits the collar bone first, then Ihor's head whips INTO Michel's knee due to the impact on the collar/neck area.
You can see a gap between his chin and the leg.
Looks less bad honestly in the replay.
Actually now you slow it down we can see the common trickery in full display he's headbutting the knee in some kind of counteroffensyiv, probably trying to Aljo his way to victory KWAB
Kikkeli
Hehheh kikkeli, min klubba luktar inte popcorn längre
Chael agreed w pereira decision on his twitter. Happened to him in both silva and jones fights against the cage. Worse than this.
Absolutely disgusting illegal move.
pussy b***h lmao
he needs to do this just so i can enjoy sois crying
Not michels fault the moronic hohol moved his head into his knee. its like if i was thrusting my groin into your kicks in an attempt to get you DQ'd for illegal strikes
Aljamain Sterling and his consequences have been a disaster for the UFC
Yeah im glad dana fricked his career up after sean beat him and made aljo an eternal prelim fighter just because of that. Frick that nig
>you cant just backflip and kick your opponent in the face, ITS HECKING ILLEGAL. What if someone got hurt?
god nu-heem is so fricking cringe
Fouls are usually allowed if they look cool enough
There would have been a riot if Pereira was disqualified for this. The refs saved lives by awarding the finish to Pereira
Anthony is going to be insufferable on BYM a leaf was predicting him claiming he could deal with Aspinall if he was smaller
This is what happens every time he wins a fight, and then he pretends everyone hates him for no reason
I'm convinced it's an act and that no man can be this Smiff irl
listening to smiff after he fights is always hilarious his copes after a loss and delusions of grandeur after a win are brilliant
Anthony Smith is the biggest winner of the night! 🙂
Let's hope the leaf is right and he claims he could make easy work of Aspinall that'll trigger the cyclops and they might bicker
Flyweight should be scrapped completely and the manlet fighters should be sent over to ONE to fight manlet Thais
>Nada Faheem
>Faheem
Uhh based?
I'd faheem her nada iykwim
I knew smiff would win, couldn't believe my eyes when i saw he was nearly a 3-1 underdog. Bookies are clueless, they're lucky i'm not a gambling man or i would have bankrupted them years ago. Currently watching the Pantoja fight, 2-0 pantoja.
Was strange. His biggest path to losing was getting wrestlefricked and he hit a guillomeme on the first takedown attempt lol
Last night was a good card
Apologize to Dana
cute amateur BJJ tomboy I follow has trooned out frick this sport
I'm convinced americans are just jealous.
If this was an american whiteboy doing a back flip and landing on some brazilians neck no one would say a goddamn thing.
Learn to get good at this
Which one of you pussies is this
me
Well they're not wrong, if you had a any self awareness you'd see that. I always. Knew this place was an embarrassment but seeing it from an outsiders pint of view is even more shameful.
this knee wasn't illegal from pereira, but at some point he'll hit a guy square in the face with that and get dqed. don't care though, he's fun to watch.
Weak pathetic Ukrainian homosexual got finished in under a minute as expected. Why are Ukrainians such weak pussies?
He has a Jesus tattoo. Christsissies aren't good at mma. Pereira is a based zion worshipper
What the FRICK is paul craigs problem. How does he actually get worse at striking every time i see him?
Speaking of Ukraine, whatever happened to Nikita Krylov?
He was captured by Azov and his bamhole will never recover
In hindsight was UFC 301 better than UFC 300? Be honest, now
No but its alot better than people thought it would be. Everyone know 300 would be hype as frick and would be hard to live up to expectations. 301 had negative hype and was way better than the general public said it would be
Speaking of, Slava Claus makes his return this weekend
Eban Klaus
Once jon jones beats pereria for the LHW title does anthony smiff get a rematch to finally prove that he is actually the greatest on paper fighter ever
if you argue anything should happen due to a grounded knee you're just cringe it doesn't matter what the rules are
educaed media members gave it to Pantoja, moronic "muh cut" cazzie gave it to Erceg.
Based. I hope he has a long reing so cazzies seethe and cry more
You see the organic spamming of the comments on Pantoja's post presser video, funny to see zoomers spaz out like boomers I blame the coof and it's consequences
How is this even controversial, 48-47 Pantoja is honestly being generous to Erceg
muh cut and bad memory. The striking is a lot closer that people remember.
cazzies think a cut in one round that opens up in other rounds means more damage is done
nah. if it was a slicing cut. but this was a smashing elbow that gashed him open w the blunt part. the point is it's more damage than the opponent was able to do lil bro. no one really cares either way it's fricking flyweight bro lmao
Black amigo that's what i'm saying, cazzies like you think a single hit should win him the fight
>that's what I'm saying
You're a little bit moronic
Would Mokaev had done better against Pantoja than Erceg did?
He would have only tried to wrestle him, not sure who would come out on top those exchanges honestly
mokaev got scramble checked by da lou and was nearly subbed by some short notice dwcs can as well as THE baby homie and maybe even tim elliott if i remember right. pantoja would ragdoll him
UFC 302 is up next in june
my theory that no one watches flyweights and anyone who says a flyweight is good or exciting is lying holds firm
Good for Francis finding peace. Still the GOAT of mma whether you want to admit it or not.
He would have unironically shattered the image of Jones in 1 round. And we'll never get to see it because Jones waited until RIGHT as he was leaving to return.
Looks like chandler’s third kid
can't wait for ufc 303
You think goobmeister gets it done against mr chandler?
oh honestly couldn't care who wins that one, I'm there for the prelim, rei tsuruya debut. now that I'm looking at it that's the only good fight that night.
chandler probably wins though, right? gregor is more talented but is he talented enough to have done crack every day for 3 years with no fights and still win? his leg might also never be the same, who can say at this point
Ah yeah your boy from the Road to UFC, 303 looks weaker than 302 I think they're banking on the main event selling it conor is smarter than chandler and could bait him into fighting like an imbecile but I also think it's probably too much to recover from an injury and the partying
Mt Rushmore candidate fersure
I don't get it b what's an eban
smiff
Jon is terrified of guys whwo hit hard
>had nightmares about Rampage (lmao)
>ducked Rumble
>ducked Jan after he heemed Corey
>ducked Francis
>ducked Aspinall
>had nightmares about Rampage (lmao)
Stopped reading there lmao.
rampage was the best fighter he listed so it makes sense
Jon said that himself
Why's he such a bad guy, that was super unnecessary. Bad bad gay boy
good post
zesty as nigg
admit it, you picked against Smiff didnt you
fewl
nope, I wouldn't have goofed if martinez wasn't so shit
Yes my only faulty pick even in victory he's a pain in the ass
no i was still pissed that petrino retired tyson pedro in apex. so i picked smiff out of spite.
pedro should have retired at 305 to be fair.
>jones picking a fight with alex
he will learn that the indios over here used to hunt blacks.
I'm just a sexy boy, i'm not your boy toy
why can't i access dvach what did you do
Try this link
https://2ch.life/b/
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Suspension over, sentence sat out and ways amended
POST WALKOUT MUSIC:
yeah okay erceg did more visible quantifiable damage but are you just going to ignore the hugging of pantoja? thats what wins fights
if guru says erceg won then erceg won. end of discussion.
oink oink
They do it for him for free (pro bono)
guru would kick your ass in a mixed martial arts bout
No he wouldn't don't manifest it for your boy I would be game
You'd be really let down seeing me irl I might weigh the same as urugamm how tall is he
I prefer Ice T in Law and Order
Smiffbros...
what was the challenge?
Alex said he lets Smiff take his back, get hooks in and has five minutes to deal with him for 50 g's babyyy
>purple aki for americans
JOHN JONES IS GAY NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT JANNIES
I just found out LL cool j is dead, when did this happen. Fricking hell only bad news in this life, it only gets worse
n?*
rip ja rule
Which 50 year old black guy died?
King Theoden from LotR
>hail the victorious dead
He's heeming angels in heaven with little Kobe Ngannou now unless they weren't baptised
Heaven doesn’t exist
I can tell you've never been to a baht parlor at 5am to give out bonuses for a finish
Erceg won rounds 2,3,and 4 on damage at least. If the fight wasn't in Brazil he would have won. I genuinely can't understand what you guys are thinking.
4-1 Pantoja is absolutely disgraceful when all he did was hold on for dear life.
cuts arn't the end all be all, also damage isn't the main criteria it's effective striking and grappling.
Effective striking is defined by impact (damage)
concusive damage > muh cuts
Cuts are conclusive damage. As it says in the rules.
lmao
impact and cosmetic damage aren't the same
You're arguing against the rulebook. Not my problem.
What else is conclusive damage according to the rulebook?
damage doesn't mean damage, we've gone over this
48-47 Pantoja is the only correct score. Pantoja 1-3-5 simple as
Yeah he won round 3 where he was desperately grabbing his forehead in agony
Good post champ. Keep posting
Wow you sure shut down my argument about damage by posting about a quantitative metric
>3/3 takedowns
>34 sig strikes to 22
>every judge gave round 3 to Pantoja
Seriously man, keep posting. You're doing great. Do NOT get discouraged
Damn you just reposted your previous irrelevant post. Truly unbridled genius.
Brutal mogging. Should have thrown the towel.
I implore you silly motherfrickers to learn how to score a fight
The hallmark of /heem/ is disagreeing with obvious decisions and agreeing with robberies. What else do you expect on a forum of friendless losers who desperately need attention
Pro fighters are friendless losers desperate for attention according b***hbreasts mcsperg of Fhite
Thank you to the moronic burger(s) who keep proving this point lmao
I agree, that dude is a desperate loser seeking attention
i have friends. none of them like mma so i shitpost here. agree on the contrarian decision shit. it's annoying and happens every card
>I'm gonna sniff bamhole brazza
SOON
I'm surprised redditors still dickride baldo so much considering he's a heckin chud
redditors see brownoids like pets, its only obscene to be a chud if you were raised in a rich western country
>you now remember poolal mohomid
I don't understand what's so shocking about Pantoja beating Erceg 4-1. I don't think Erceg won a single round. The striking was either even in every round or decisively in favor of Pantoja. Erceg was able to land a few impressive combos and tagged Pantoja a few times, but the striking and dominance was on the side of Pantoja for every round. I think you guys just got lazy and stopped watching because the fight was boring.
The same reason comment sections and imageboards are getting spammed in such an organic fashion reminds me of two weeks ago and jon being gay
People are acting like Pantoja didn't land anything just because Erceg had cleaner technique. Whenever Anik did a big reaction something landing for Erceg, Pantoja also hit him.
nah he lost but did better than moreno, kape and royvall. def good. you might just be casual or not have an eye for the sport. not a bad thing because we need guys like you to keep the lights on honestly. respect.
Moreno did way better than Erceg.
>The roiding stops here, Conor. You should be ashamed of your deeds.
SOON
dont ever (you) me again homosexual
mfw homies picked Martinez to beat Aldo
What baffles me about this reaction is that nobody complained this much after the Charles/Arman fight even though Charles decisively won that fight based on the actual scoring criteria described in the UR.
THE heckin failed sub attempts?
Submission attempts score higher than control time as per the UR.
shartles got outstruck and outgrappled every round, you're experiencing insane delusions
Arman only barely outstruck him in two rounds and the submission attempts Charles made came closer to ending the fight each time. That's how fights are supposed to be scored. Arman never even approached a finish. Charles won at least two rounds comfortably.
lmao
That's two rounds, and in those rounds, Charles put Arman in submission attempts that almost finished the fight. Comfortable 29-28 for Charles.
>failed submissions matter more than actual effective striking
stop embarrassing yourself
That's a draw at best. Outstruck busted up each round and controlled outside two unsuccessful attempts
No because charles came closer to the finish.
He didn't finish and got controlled. You're rating the idea of the attempt over the reality of it.
You don't know the rules.
That's ironic to say since you laughed at the idea of a cut not counting as damage
Re-read your own post and figure out what I laughed about.
Probably just brain damage from toxoplasmosis. My bad
Snore
Frick the rules
I would accept a draw, but he came closer to finishing which is what matters in the scoring criteria. I'm taking that terminology directly from the Unified Rules.
That's terminology that's not the rules itself. There's nothing that says a failed submission attempt outweighs getting controlled an entire round. Its purely subjective.
The terminology "with potential to contribute to a finish" and "with the immediate weighing more heavily than accumulative" are both in the Unified Rules and repeated multiple times. They specifically state that control time and even advancing the position do not in and of themselves contribute to a finish and must lead to a real possibilty of finishing the fight (meaning effective ground and pound or submission attempts). Based on that criteria, Charles won the fight.
>They specifically state that control time and even advancing the position do not in and of themselves contribute to a finish and must lead to a real possibilty of finishing the fight (meaning effective ground and pound or submission attempts).
Based.
Erceg was robbed then.
Neither man really contributed to a potential finish in that fight, unfortunately.
A bad cut is a potential finish. Strikes that immediately make someone grab for a leg are closer to a potential finish than grabbing someone's leg.
Cuts don't factor into scoring criteria. You may have an argument for the strikes that caused Pantoja to panic wrestle, though. But that only happened, what, twice? Don't think that'd be significant enough to tilt the scales in Erceg's favor
Cuts count as impact. Big John explains this.
They can't, because it's a matter of scar tissue and not just damage. It's too unreliable. Visible, bodily reaction is a more sensible criterion.
They can and do. You are just inserting your own opinion. Do you actually think Erceg opened up a cut on the basis of scar tissue?
>on the basis of scar tissue?
Yes. Pantona bleeds quite often, even when he wins. It's not a reliable criterion.
He bleeds often from the hairline? He should get that checked out. Maybe you can get both get your heads checked you enormous moron lmaoooo
I understand you're a bit dense, but I'm not denying Erceg opened up a cut. I'm saying it's not a good indicator of damage because some people bleed more easily than others. Bodily response is more reliable, and that's why I granted you the shots that forced Pantoja to wrestle.
I didn't say you denied it. In fact I correctly restated you attribute this massive elbow Pantoja ran into, to alleged scar tissue on his hairline. And not the strike itself.
Anything else you need assistance with?
We all saw the elbow. You don't need to see a cut to know it landed. We're talking about damage, which is harder to define. A cut does not mean "more damage."
Slice your head open then suck a dick. Tell me who came out more damaged.
would you rather get stabbed or get raped
Concession accepted
REEE PANTOJA BLOCKS PUNCHES WITH HIS FACE THERE'S NO WAY HE COULD WIN WHILE BLOCKING PUNCHES WITH HIS FACE
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Link in the scription
Holy smokes! One cut in a round where he is getting outstruck and outgrappled! For sure he won the fight!.
thanks Dom
Pantoja beat Moreno by laying & praying in the 5th in a 2-2 fight. Erceg attempted 2 takedowns in the 5th and let Pantoja control him when he would have won if he just fricking jabbed and moved. Worst fight IQ in a title fight in years
What will Conor's excuse be when he gets heemed by Chandler?
What will the implications for UFC be over Not Like Us has Adesanya done a reaction video yet
conor will win
What should count more
Sub attempts or getting out of tricky submissions ?
i invented the term mixed martial arts
>Rosenberg coined the term mixed martial arts, or MMA, in his review of the first Ultimate Fighting Championship event UFC 1 in Los Angeles Times on November 15, 1993.
Every damn time
Fights should be scored on who you feel more effectively impossed his will
I just saw The Orolbi fight, fricking hell those guys are different. One of the only Countries I've been to I didn't feel safe in all the time, you could feel it in the Air, the fact you could get messed up bad at any minute and nobody would give a frick
Kek did Bruce buffer choose the picture?
If only it was the first time
IT'S UP!
135 Pantoja
how pantoja was able to survive Erceg's one-shot KO power is still beyond me
Round 3 statsposter is up 20-16 on Erceg won cuz damageposter. Ercegposter will have to dig deep here Jon
Your right Michael he is going to need an finish to win this one respectfully
The smart money from advanced bettors is on Erceg.
Erceg came closer to ending the fight against Pantoja. So clearly he won.
How did he come closer to ending the fight? Cause of two inconsequential cuts?
So inconsequential that he was clutching his head in pain and almost vomited lmao. A cut that bad can get a fight stopped which is easily more consequential than any grappling Pantoja did.
That cut was no where close to having the fight called, have you watched MMA before? Perhaps if it was right above the eye, but it was above the forehead and plugged easily on the stool. A doctor didn't even get called in to look at it cause everyone knew it was just painful, but not fight ending.
You've been arguing this whole thread about who was closer to ending the fight. A bad cut which has a guy vomiting and clutching his head scores more than inconsequential takedowns. That's the rules.
I just got here. I don't care about ONE/Pride le who would win if the fight was forever! Pantoja won 3 rounds to Erceg's 2. All there is to it.
>jumps into an argument to dishonestly read an argument and argue on someone's behalf
Based sperg.
I wasn't arguing on anyone's behalf. I saw your post and thought it was stupid. You're literally not even replying to someone else in the original post
There's been about a dozen original posts you're gonna have to find a different cope.
>log on to r/heem between training
>scroll to bottom
>see moron posting
>own him
>changes argument
Every time. Now I'm gonna go kick 200lbs of linen until my shins break.
Yeah you got me by arguing a point I didn't make. Go break your cankles, tubby
>Erceg was closer to winning the fight with a run of the mill cut above the forehead that wasn't even close to causing a stoppage in a round he got out struck by about 12 strikes and taken down and controlled
That was your point, and it's dumb.
Oh hey look you stopped pretending to have just joined the conversation and are back to arguing irrelevant quantitative metrics lol what a loser you are
I joined here
What does this have to do with your dumb arguments?
You have mental identity issues. I'm sorry to have triggered it.
Look man the champion's advantage is a real thing. Unless you are Sean Strickland and you went on a rant on how you hate gay people right before the fight. If that happens you are losing the decision even when you win the fight.
redditstrick lost, only cosmetic damage obsessed cazzies disagree
You don't honestly believe that moronic implication do you?
guys... it's flyweight
>duuuude 1 elbow that happens to cut someone should win the fight!
You guys sound moronic.
Yeah bro inconsequential takedowns for sure are the hallmark of a superior fighter
Islam won't give Arman a rematch but he would have happily made charles tap a few more times which is why charles should have won
1 elbow that happens to cut someone should win the fight
First strike landed would save time and could be faster than powerslap™
>OHHH HIS HAIRLINE IS CUT
>STOP THE FIGHT
>OHHH THAT'S A NEAR VOMIT JON
>10-8 FOR ERCEG
>NAUSEA COUNTS AS DAMAGE
Dricus Du Pantoja won by effectively mixing the martial arts
no webm of ruffy finishing mularke?
>OOOOOH HE FAILED A SUBMISSION ATTEMPT HES THE WINNER!!!!
Read the rules, b
Shove the rules up your ass
Just did. Nowhere does it say one failed attempt outweighs a round of damage and control.
I didn't see the prelims what the frick happened with the Shore fight being stopped for a shin cut? Rigged for the hometown fighter?
Jack orgasmed when the doctor fingered his shin pussy, automatic DQ
Dr said his leg was fractured, xrays showed no fracture and he was stitched up and sent on his way
so it was fixed for the brazilian fighter
OH MY GOD WHAT A BRUTAL CUT, SO BRUTAL HE.... looks like this going into the 5th round.
Yesterday a hue asked how to retain speed while getting older so here's how
First there's reaction speed and then physical speed.
Reaction speed naturally lowers with age, this is specially true in combat sports since some studies indicate a loss a gray matter of up to 0.02% per combat but there are ways to recover that believe it or not.
Just like motor skills can be trained so can cognitive skills, learning new things constantly, reading, analyzing things like fights, all that can slow down that speed processing decline from age and combat sports.
More specific to reflexes, playing shooter games is unironically a great way to develop reflexes and for combat sports reacting to a visual stimulation creates that reaction time, like you can drill with a partner to react against jabs or any technique and train that reaction and overtime increase the speed so you can react faster but here you have to be careful because this can develop a predictable reaction in you and build a bad habit so a good way to counter this is to use different techniques to answer in a drill and have your partner also do the technique you are drilling against in different ways like combos or with feints or with changes in speed.
This is for reaction time but just because you can see a shot coming doesn't mean you can react to it because there's a delay between reaction time and the time it takes your brain to signal your body to move, to close that gap you train your body obviously and the best way to do it is to train the strength speed curve.
The strength speed curve is simply that a max strength effort will be slow and a max speed effort will be low on force and different points where strength and speed met.
Maximum strength will be slow but this is the base for everything so even if you want to prioritize speed, having some strength training is essential and you train this with conventional strength training but also slow repetitions, isometrics and carries.
(1/3)
Some people don't like lifting too much because they are afraid of putting on muscle but unless you are a dyel with too much fat or are on a caloric surplus you won't put on mass and even then that's the opposite of a problem because if you build muscle with a athletic approach that muscle will be extra effective for that athletic aspect, if you gain muscle through strength training that muscle will be extra strong, if you gain muscle with speed training that muscle will be extra fast, so gaining a bit of mass is the opposite of a problem.
Then there is strength speed and speed strength wich simply refer to power but is a bit different.
The first has a high rate of force production (strength) and the second has less force production and higher acceleration (speed), think of fighters like Pereira and Michael chandler, Pereira is very powerful because he has a lot of strength so he is able to produce a lot of force even though he isn't super fast, Michael Chandler is faster but not necessarily as strong but can hit hard because of the speed component.
To train this you use heavy lifting with speed like in a Olympic lift or lifting a heavy weight with a certain speed using a pedometer to measure the bar speed.
For the second one you use lighter weights and higher speed, you can do the same exercises as before but also weighted plyometrics, med ball slams and throws, resisted sprints.
This is called rate of force development.
Then for speed this is trained by doing the activity you want to be fast at as fast as possible but also with plyometrics.
Now yesterday i mentioned a few things, the stretch shortening cycle is the muscles and tendons ability to stretch under load (the load being forces created by momentum during high intensity sports) then absorb that force in an isometric contraction and release that force in a concentric contraction, the strenth and rfd parts already train this to a degree but to make it max speed efficient you need plyometrics for wich you have two types of plyos, slow and fast stretch.
A slow stretch is when you land in a half squat and immediately jump back and a fast stretch is the same but you land in a quarter squat, more generic plyometrics like jump squats box jumps are rfd oriented because they are not fast enough.
I also mentioned elasticity and reactive strength, elasticity is trained with plyos and reactive strength is having that isometric tendon strength to maximize the efficiency of the stretch shortening cycle.
Finally we have over speed training wich is max speed training with assistance, for example a pogo jump with an elastic band or a sprint downhill on a slight decline, much like strength will maximize the efficiency of your nervous system to produce strength, this will maximize the efficiency to move fast.
Now if you read everything you might wonder why you shouldn't just train plyometrics for speed and you can do that but is not going to be as efficient.
The best way to train all this is in phases where you focus in strength, then power and speed for a while to maximize everything but you can also do a routine where you add an exercise of every aspect to make your routine in a ppl split starting with speed, then power and ending with strength or you can have a speed focused routine and do a bit of power and strength training at the end of your routine to supplement it.
Even if speed is your focus you shouldn't neglect strength, keep in mind that based on the speed strength curve, speed doesn't have enough time to produce force and needs momentum to generate that force and is because of this that fast fighters tend to have glass chins, because speed requires muscle relaxation and they don't have much strength so mixing strength power and speed will give you better results without any of the downsides.
So short answer, train reaction time, do plyos and lift weights.
>Charles vs Arman
Charles was badly out struck this fight
Won round 1 through submission attempts
Arman won round 2 with hard ground and pound
Round 3 arman was cooking him on the feet, hit him with some ground strikes, and then charles got the Darce. You could argue the last minute submission attempt win Charles the fight, but Arman was doing better for most of it
>Pantoja vs Erceg
Round 1 Pantoja overwhelmed him completely, smothered him with takedowns and outstruck him. Pantoja round
Round 2 Erceg started to find his feet and outlanded him but Pantoja started cracking him. A good round for Erceg but there's a real argument Pantoja won it
Round 3 Erceg couldn't really do anything to stop Pantoja when he decided to move forward. He cut him with an elbow but Pantoja landed a hard strike that clearly hurt him and caused his eyes to roll into the back of his head for a second. Also got the takedown when damage was arguably on his side already. Pantoja round
Round 4 Pantoja didn't do much and Erceg pieced him up pretty bad. Erceg round
Round 5 was mostly even on the feet. Both guys were landing good shots. What really changed the round was Erceg shooting, getting reversed, and then mat returned every time he got up. Maybe he was shooting because he was looking for a submission, but it looked to me like Pantoja hurt him to the body and Erceg panic shot. The clearest Pantoja round
Don't worry bro, It's hard to tell on r/heem, but literally anyone that knows what they're watching agrees with you.
Why are you angsty?
I'm not 😀
Erceg immaturely chased the finish by cut spamming
>seething over strawweight men
Couldn't be me
>chechen republic leggings
Georgiabros... The churkas are stealing our women...
for me it was the caveman getting a point deduction after 1 foul
That was legitimately atrocious and he's not a caveman have more respect
Atrocious? That's how it's supposed to be, use better judgement boy
Your Leon won the titul using rulebending magick don't be greedy b
Exactly, any why do you think? Because people like you think it's no big deal, so why would anyone stop doing it
It's big cl*z here not big john I'm a newbie cazzie
Are you not the original Finn? Have I been wasting my time talking with you these past weeks? You never had an official name, I only first heard the name Cloz a few days ago
yeah its supposed to be one way, but its the other way
Oh you LA guys 🙂
That should happen more tbqh. Bad groin shots and fence grabs should be an automatic point
I don't think erceg did enough to win but it wasn't enough to lose either.
he certainly did more than pantoja
*shoots a takedown against the best grappler in the division*
This was my most honest reaction.
you sit next to dricus at a ufc event and he puts his arm around your shoulder... how do you respond?
rest my head on his shoulder, close my eyes and sigh
Yeah, what was petrino thinking???
Anthony Smith got the win. He's also undefeated.
Levels.
Pantoja has no defense and gets smoked by current year mighty mouse
Jon kisses boys
The mouse would get sat on and out dawged in the striking. Pantoja simply cannot be heemed
Who can heem pantoja at flyweight?
wait a minute this is better than 301
good for borshchev, he needs a win
Elite striker with no grappling meets elite grappler with no striking. A timeless matchup
Borschev has gotten a lot better with his TDD and grappling, Hooper is probably going to die
Been trying to talk about FN but people want to spam streamers picks and argue over them instead I like that the wmma is gooner geared and kept to a minimum, plus the dodgy Cuban prospect and hot bawllz are both fighting
> dana please change my opponent, I didn't mean to laugh at and humiliate arlovski like a fricking fat, apex npc shithead
Heemer's delight of a card
Also wtf didn't Lewis just KO Nascimiento last year?
poured red wine in my dick hole last night, it burned
Anthony Smith won. I am euphoric. Went out after his win and treated myself to an mcdonalds small cheeseburger. Silently toasted the burger in the air and mouthed, "To you, Anthony" before relishing the first bite as it was a victory bite for Smith and I.
OHHHHHHHHHHH STOP THE FIGHT YOU CAN SEE THE BONE
Unironically why did the doctor fingered it? It wasn't bleeding as bad before he did.
If him touching it made it bleed like that what do you think an impact would have done exactly
He literally stopped the bleeding...
>Stops the bleeding
>Stops the fight.
Are you the same poster giving people health advice? A deep cut in the shin is pretty bad I got one once and it healed in almost two months and still looks gnarly and it didn't bleed as badly as that
You win fights with ineffective thigh humping, not concussing and cutting your opponent. Get it right, chuds.
A bleeding shin is not grounds for stopping s fight
Wasn't it declared a fracture I haven't looked into it but I think Anik said something like that
it is if it can help a brazilian get a free win in brazil
Belel should be cut
across his gay little throat
Pantoja is simply unheemable and DJ can be heemed, but I think DJ would actually be superior in the sprawl, which is where most of the fight would take place, think DJ vs Cejudo 2
Oh my god his leg is injured everyone stop the fight
It was his deserved karma for what he did to Makwan
makwan deserved it for being a can
He should be tarred, feathered and whipped through the streets of Turku for being a can
how is a complete bum like belal ranked while mike malott isn't?
>guy runs headfirst into a skinny homies elbow
>SCAR TISSUE!!!
>immediately starts holding his head, instinctively protecting it because it just suffered massive trauma
>almost pukes in the stool
>avoids engaging and takes the next 5 minutes off in order to stay alive in this world
no damage bro, that control time was a peach of a beast
ummmm thats not in the rules sweetie!
And Erceg won the round after, and then lost the 5th. Erceg did well, doesn't mean he won.
he also won 2, so that's 2, 3 and 4
He did not win 3. One elbow that happens to cut and a left hook does not take away Pantoja out striking him by 10+, and taking him down and controlling for the last 90 seconds of the round.
it does when that one elbow does that much damage and none of pantoja's strikes were as clean
>that much damage
That's such a basic cut from an elbow, that's what elbows do. The left hook arguably did more damage based on reaction from Pantoja. Pantojas knees in the clinch to the body were about as clean as it gets.
Such a dishonest thing to say. It was almost all body work.
This is all Erceg did that was meaningful that round.
Basic cut that makes someone vomit in excruciating pain = worthless
Basic punch that has otherwise no effect = STOP THE FIGHT!!!
>dude Anik said he looks like he's gonna vomit it must be true
>punches have no fight wide affect
I'm talking to a literal moron.
Was it even Anik I have a faint memory it was one of the less reputable two maybe even El Drinko himself
It was Anik.
Wow THE punch? Give him every round!
That's literally your argument for Erceg winning round 3.
Actually an elbow. But I'm talking to a literal moron so you're forgiven.
There's more than three of us in this thread, moron.
didn't even mention the cut
it's everything else that was very telling
if one strike fricked you up so badly you even lost the next round to recover, maybe that strike did some real damage
pantoja's reaction immediately when he clinched too
that elbow and left hook combination was simply the most significant moment of the round, everything else was pillow fists from both
I mean I pretty much agree with all of that outside of the fact that you're factoring in other rounds to score round 3 which simply isn't how UFC judging works. Pantoja won round 3 based on landing 10+ more strikes, walking Erceg down, taking him down and keeping him down for 90 seconds after the elbow hook combo mind you. 2 very well timed strikes doesn't eliminate all of that.
You literally just made the argument that Pantoja landing one punch had the potential for fight wide effects.
I was talking about Erceg's left hook after the elbow you absolute mongoloid.
>cut out the eyepoke right before the elbow
KEK
big cut and head strikes > leg kicks
15 body shots do more damage than one cut. Made Erceg tired enough to throw away the fifth.
>tired enough to throw away the 5th
no that was just inexperience and low fight IQ, everyone who's ever done any grappling and striking will tell you that striking takes way less energy and Erceg was the fresher fighter by far.
You say this then say Oliveira's one submission attempt that got reversed won him multiple rounds
Good thing Erceg landed more than a brutalizing elbow that had Pantoja writhing and nauseous.
I have Arman winning that fight. You know more people exist than just you and one other guy right?
Nice backpedal to argue something incoherent. Beautiful work.
Where did I say have Oliveira winning vs Arman?
Who are you talking about again?
seething won't change the results
I agree. Really weird how this Pantoja fight brought out the sore loser shartles fans. Overwhelming majority of fighters, experts, and judges correctly scored it for Arman.
DERE WAS NO FOOKIN PUKE
SHOW EM DA BUCKET
Who cares who won men's atomweight, seriously
Italian flyweight superstar Vincenzo Erceg was just robbed, show some respect
You mean Stevio Gecre?
How long you think it lasts for? This isn't even aussies upset their guy lost which would be more acceptable this is just sad
Usually it's over by monday morning
OHHHHHHH HE'S GONNA THROW UP STOP THE FIGHT
OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH
OHHH HE GOT THE REVERSAL THAT'S IT THE FIGHT IS OVER
OHHHHHH HE REGUARDED AFTER BEING MOUNTED I THINK THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT STOPPING THIS ONE JOE
In a real fight, Erceg couldn't stop Pantoja from raping him.
OWWWWIEEEEE MY HEAD
HIS LEG GOT SCRAPED I CANT EVEN WATCH THIS ANYMORE JOE
HO-LY SMOKES PAUL LOOK HOW HE'S JUST LAYING ON TOP OF HIM TO END THE FIGHT, THIS DUDE IS NASTYYY
Even without the cuts Erceg was landing the bigger shots and better combos
Poopy Pants Pantoja refused to not eat the 7-11 hot dogs the night before.
If italy can claim a croat can we have Gus? His size and power is clearly uralic in origin
it could be argued that whoever does the most to win the fight should be given the decision win
OOHHHHH HE SWALLOWED THE PUKE THE FIGHT CAN CONTINUE WHAT A WARRIOR
OH MY GOD HE PRECAME HE'S LOSING CONTROL OF HIS BODILY FUNCTIONS THE REF'S TAKING A GOOD LOOK
Someone post THAT tweet from Jizzy
OOOOOOHHHHH ALEXA GRASSO IS MENSTRUATING WITH VALENTINA IN A TRIANGLE CHOKE!!! THE BULLET IS CHOKING ON BLOOD!!!
TKO (Lactation)
Erceg should have abused body and headkicks.
Between rounds, fighters shorts should be inspected for excrement.
Pantoja was the Kendrick of the two. Simple as. If Erceg wanted to win he shouldn't have been a passover observant rock spider
TKO (Shart)
Did someone call
I volunteer to be Grasso's personal excrement checker
You want to start an anti doping agency that's just a front for us to acquire and sell wmma bodily fluids?
The antidoping agents get to watch the women piss in the cup b
I know been thinking about it unironically at times but most work is checking addicts mengs as they try to get driving licenses/their kids back
>Anon is approaching to check grasso's.......potty situation
>He is taking a good look
>Now this is a very important job, it might seem odd to the uneducated viewers at home but loss of bodily functions are very serious, anon seems to like what he sees
>He is taking a bit longer than expected
>Is he....wai..OOOOH ANON TOOK A TURD OUT OF GRASSO SHORTS AND IS EATING IT STOP THE FIGHT IS OVER OOOH ANON CLIMBED THE CAGE LIKE A MONKEY
>HE IS EATING SHIT OOOOOOOH
TKO (sweat)
post the vomit
Many meng, trya takedown 'gainst me
My oh my, you hate to see
homies tryna dive their match away
Many meng, many many many many meng
I like the many meng 50-45 on me
its pantoja's theme now, heemhouse(tm) doesn't support bums who take obama phone
Some here say they miss meng at times he was a good foil to usmeng and colby
>they are all washed now
grim, tawlf sport b
TKO (smegma)
show me the fricking vomit
>listening to werdum's podcast with wand
>both really like chael sonnen
Wandy and chael made up years ago and chael's defended wandy against usada. Werdum is just a natural shitposter
any pics of pantoja grabbing his head in searing pain after the elbow?
>He used string shot.
>But it missed.
Test
>Get Dana on the phone, we found the streamer
Puketoja
For half a second this looked like broken finnish to me
Chris Curtis lost a fight because he squealed like a pig from twisting his ankle in the last 10 seconds.
hmmm very suspicious that no one will post the puke
Who won the second round of Bisping vs Hendo 2?
NEW
That's /box/ you moronic bong
At least you linked the right one
recycle
No
Suga Sean released footage of him sparring a man two weightclasses below him
>bro Turdsmeg won that fight, didnt you see him land 2 good combos the entire fight then get ass raped?