im 6'6"~ 250lbs (not jacked or anything) and untrained i any martial art, I only know basic techniques from boxing/muay thai/bjj/wrestling basically what would be seen commonly in an mma match. I have 4 friends (2 wrestlers, and 1 boxer and kickboxer) and we spar under mma rules fairly frequent not holding much back. I haven't lost once due to just being able to overpower them or take advantage of my reach, does a significant size advantage trump low level actual martial arts training?
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How big of a weight advantage do you have over them? Size definitely matters and makes a big difference.
25lbs~,50lbs~ at the least/most. and 3-8 inch height advantage least to most
That’s a pretty big advantage, but if they haven’t won a single match I’m going to assume that they’re shit “martial artists” and don’t actually train/haven’t trained long. I have friends who say “I’m a wrestler, boxer, etc.” and haven’t visited a martial arts school in years.
When technique is an equal skill level it absolutely makes a difference. Against and untrained opponent it won't from personal experience.
I've seen huge guys with no grappling or striking experience get easily submitted or do badly in sparring by skinny BJJ dudes and kickboxing women.
For self-defence, I think it's worth being big as 99% of people will think a big dude can fight so won't start shit. It's Talknojutsu.
You're a really big guy, like unusually large. Bigger than most football players. 99th percentile big. You'd probably even beat professional lightweight fighters just based on that. But if a 6'2 220 Ib guy with the same level of skill as your friends would probably handle you. Size is very important and that's why there are weight classes. That being said I'm willing to bet your friends are pretty terrible and a 185Ib amateur would make easy work of you. With a little bit of your own training you could make that size gap nearly impossible to overcome for anyone near you. I doubt anyone would pick a fight with you in the first place though. Weight classes really limit your advantages in a pro/amateur fight. Semmy Schilt and Stefan Struve are 6'11 and 7'0 respectively and they were both cans who got beat by relatively short men.
>Semmy Schilt was a can
>won the k1 grand prix 4 times
???
>semmy shit
>le jab, raise knee and jerk head back style
>saved by
>open drug use in K1
>fighting against same aged roster
>K1 proceeds to die after his wins
what did this mean?
It means he won given the rules and tournament of the time. 4 times. So stop being butthurt
hey your just 10 lbs shy of the weight limit of the ufc heavyweight
"Just" being big is an advantage. But maybe not as big as you might think if we're talking about a skill disparity. Bob Sapp is the classic Goliath of MMA but he wasn't just a big guy, he was roided to the gills, had devastating, natural explosive power, and was also a bit more technical than he's usually given credit. Guys that are similar to Bob Sapp in size will still not be anywhere close to that dude. Super heavyweights have historically been some of the worst fighters we've ever seen. Gonna echo the anon above and say an amateur middleweight could probably handle you. I also think a pro lightweight would frick you up too, but maybe you could make him work harder than he's used to.
Greater size and muscle mass lets you generate more force, and also lets you resist more force.
Greater arm length lets you transmit force over longer distances.
More specific muscle training lets the same mass of muscle generate more specific force for your purposes.
Greater skill lets you generate more force, lets you apply force in more suitable ways based on the situation, and lets you avoid or diminish force applied against you.
It's great at low levels. It's ify at mid levels. At high levels, you're boned, because you literally can't find anyone to train with who's bigger than you, so you can see what you need to do when can't just freight train your way through. And since you've spent your entire life freight training, you need to now learn a brand new way of approaching it. Most people don't have the salt for it, especially since you might not meet the small (sub 250) guy who can annihalte you until you're 30.
That said, almost no one you'll ever run into will even attempt to find out if you have any skills unless you're actually competing at something. And of the people who do, you'll truck 90% of them. There's weight classes for a reason.
your picrel beat Ernesto Hoost, you have your answer already.
Sapp beat Hoost twice because the dummy thought he can take the mountain of muscle with power. Cro Cop was smarter and knocked out Sapp, and who beat Cro Cop in a KB contest? Hoost.
and I forgot to mention Cro Cop was around Hoosts size
>your picrel beat Ernesto Hoost, you have your answer already.
Yeah, in Japan. Which means fixed fights. You should know this.
Yeah bro it's totally fixed how Bob knocked Ernesto down. And totally fixed how he threw like six or seven unanswered haymakers in the corner, causing the ref to stop it in their 2nd fight. Learn to spot a worked match you noob. Coleman-Takada was a work, Sapp's victory over Hoost wasnt
I'm my personal experience with BJJ I'd say a couple months training can negate 25lbs difference. A year would be 50lbs or so.
In pure BJJ, sure. You add striking though and that all goes out the window. Double that time, at least.
Yeah I could find that believable.
No, look at Hafthor boxing.
Now if you train for speed/power like a thrower and are an aggressive, brutal guy naturally, it's another question.
a body builder will lose against someone that is trained in fighting. They're not nearly as flexible and are more likely to simply pull a hammy. Have you ever seen a bodybuilder try to punch? Despite the amount of force behind it, it's like they're in slow motion. Thor Bjornsson has been transitioning to combat sports for like 2 years now and he's finally looking effective.
>Thor Bjornsson has been transitioning to combat sports for like 2 years now and he's finally looking effective
HWNBAF.
being HUGE is always good. Do judo and boxing because you're fricking gigantic and can easily throw most anyone into the ground and if you can't you can punch them into it
Strength/size is a massive difference especially in a street fight, more so than in an organized fight.
Just ask yourself how many street fights end with a suplex of some sort. If a guy bigger than you gets to your side/back with his hands around your waist it's game over.
How can someone be so big and strong yet so bad at fighting?
Because he realized that once the contract is signed he's still getting paid. Remember this freak of nature bodied Cyril abidi and Ernesto hoost twice.
turns out people don't like getting punched in the face, and after he got his orbital bone punched in my cro cop he became a can that folded after the first punch, because like anon said, he was stil getting paid
>How effective is just being Huge and Jacked in terms of fighting
Not much, as you can see in thousands of liveleak videos.
Being bigger gives you an advantage.
Being a better fighter gives you an advantage.
It depends on the advantage given by the difference in size vs the advantage given by the difference in fighting skill.
It's an equation that is unique to each pair as these characteristics are a continuum and not a binary (and this is already oversimplyfying it, considering all the other variables at play).
With that said, at the high end of the "advantage curves" comes a point where the size/strength difference is so big that no matter the skills of the smaller opponent, he simply can't hurt the bigger guy in any way even with anime-level techniques, whereas the opposite (a guy so skilled he can't be touched by opponents of any size) doesn't exist.
For an extreme example, imagine downloading the martial arts knowledge of all the best fighters ever into a 5-foot guy's brain, and putting him against Hafthor Bjornsson. The ultimate skill advantage vs the ultimate size advantage, and there's absolutely nothing the tiny guy can do that Thor would even feel.
But most fights aren't that extreme, so you'll find all sorts of combinations of skill and size that will result in either winning, depending on the specific matchup.
Especially in professional combat sports, where the small guy will still be at least somewhat strong and conditioned and the bigger guy will still have at least some fighting skill, so both the advantages are at least a bit mitigated (unlike street fights where you can find silled fighters vs people with zero skills or bigger/stronger dudes vs sedentary kids).
>and there's absolutely nothing the tiny guy can do that Thor would even feel.
Kick his balls, finger in the eye, ear pop, fish hooking, breaking his nose, hitting the jaw/liver/heart/solar plexus, sucker punches, choking, breaking small joints, kicking the knees and shins...
Lots of things that can be used even if the other guy is far bigger than you. If size was all, predators would never be able to take down prey animals.
You're right, I shouldn't have said he wouldn't feel anything, but almost everything you listed isn't going to stop him from doing anything he wants to te small guy, since with that size/strength difference they're far less effective and/or much harder to actually land on a hostile opponent.
>Kick his balls
>finger in the eye
>ear pop
>fish hooking
>breaking his nose
Painful but unlikely to actually stop him unless you instantly blind/deafen/etc him, and his height makes it much more difficult to do properly, and leaves you vulnerable to being grabbed and smashed
>hitting the jaw/liver/heart/solar plexus
>sucker punches
>breaking small joints
>kicking the knees and shins
You'd need to generate a shitton of force to hurt a guy like that this way, which I'm not sure a guy that much smaller could be capable of.
>choking
When your opponent can simply pry your arms away (and tear your ligaments in the process) that's going to be very difficult.
One thing that can maybe work is finding a way to make him gas out without ever grabbing you, and then have an easier time doing the above, but that still isn't always feasible and doesn't always work.
>If size was all, predators would never be able to take down prey animals.
In the animal world the only way a single smaller animal can take down a larger one is by using teeth, claws, and poison, for which the human equivalent is the use of weapons.
If you want the animal equivalent of martial arts, I really can't see any animal taking down a larger one with grappling and striking.