I'm not trolling, I only want sincere replies. Why don't you consider him the greatest basketball player of all time?
I'm not trolling, I only want sincere replies. Why don't you consider him the greatest basketball player of all time?
I'm not trolling, I only want sincere replies. Why don't you consider him the greatest basketball player of all time?
But I do anon
I like seeing Jae Crowder being clowned on, and I don't know why.
lmao what a clown, not gonna lie i'm gonna miss hating him once he retire
Talking shit and having fun 19 pts ahead
Aaaah but when a youngster does it to him he cries and seethes like the b***h he is
context?
>LeFlop
so glad my sunsies raped this fraud in his last playoff appearance
LeFraud
Because there are several players greater than him (but none of them are named Michael Jordan for the record)
>college awards
Useless
>HS awards useless
>olympic medals and other national things
Useless
The only thing that matters is the NBA career, if you added the levels of HS College and International play together it still wouldnt come close to NBA feats. Theyre useless
>olympic medals and other national things
>Useless
classic LeBronze defense
funny thing is it's not even mentioned there, also lebron has 2 gold medal and 1 bronze at the olympics
Even exclusively considering the NBA, Jordan is better.
>No. 23 retired by Miami Heat
what a bunch of cucks, this doesn't get talked about enough.
Yeah that was pretty fricking sad beta male shit
6 final MVP's is just too clutch to not be the GOAT.
I have a deep rooted hatred for what he did to my team for years, so Jordan is just better I fear
the game winner in the corner in 18 was all time
It was legendary but it was also some bullshit. Definition of a "Lefrickyou" shot
Because of his unhinged histrionic drama queen female personality
He needed to join/build a superteam via free agency in order to win titles.
Leaving the Cavaliers was a valid choice, they were a shit organization that was wasting his career.
But the mercenary team-hopping that ensued afterwards was pretty shameless. Getting btfo by Dallas despite having a rigged team with three all-stars was pretty pathetic. Going back to Cleveland seemed like a sentimental decision and I'm sure that there was some element of that but he only did it because he saw Miami declining and a chance to rig the game again with Kyrie and all those tradeable assets. Then the Lakers move, which was the most cheesy one yet. And now the whining about having to lie in the bed he made. No other all-timer was such a self-serving prick with no loyalty to his fans or teammates except maybe Rick Barry and everybody hates him, too
He didn't have to go back to Cleveland. Sure, Kyrie was there, but he could have gone to another team and probably had a better chance to win.
>mercenary team-hopping
He switched teams twice in 8 years bro. If you want actual mercenary team hopping lookin at Harden and Westbrook the past few years
harden was at rockets for a decade, what are you on about? westbrook was at OKC for a decade too.
>for the past few years
lebron wanted russ at lakers, russ didn't force a move or anything
Who's calling them goats?
How is that different from Jordan? I know he was drafted to Chicago but he had all-star teammates as well.
MJ didn't bail on the Bulls in 1990 to join the Lakers or Suns for easy chips.
He ringchased and was a manufactured superstar. Got away with countless travels and got non stop favorable calls by the sports entertainment that is the NBA
This to a tee. Also he's not nearly as skilled as other top level talents like MJ, Bird, Steph, Magic, and others. He's just big. Big and strong. Don't even have to mention how weak he is mentally and how he's collapsed in big moments.
Because for me if it's a team sport, you can't have a goat. It takes a full team and coaches to have success. In individual sports like golf or tennis sure but basketball football etc require teammates to reach your full potential. That being said LeBron I feel is the peak in humanity in terms of athletics and strength and longevity
LeCrampFraudRaceBaiterGM will never be my GOAT. That title belongs to Michael Jeffrey Jordan.
Because I like to say it's Larry Bird and gain a small amount of sexual thrill being called racist online by other white people
Based Bird appreciator
Fricking BASED
What's wrong with considering him #2 or #3? Jesus you lebronsexuals are annoying as frick. His stock is gonna drop rapidly when he retires just like Kobe went from borderline top 5 to barely top 10 the moment he retired. Stop buying into media hype.
purely out of spite, the gayest player to ever play on the court
He is not even the greatest current NBA player.
There is no argument for him to be ranked ahead of Stephen Curry, who:
- Has just as many titles and reached title number four at a younger age;
- Has won three Finals head-to-head against LeBron;
- Has lost a single Finals head-to-head against LeBron while injured and while Iguodala, James' primary defender, was injured
In addition, his success has been largely dependent on getting away with offensive fouls and traveling. He should foul out of every game due to offensive fouls if he were to be officiated correctly.
you've only listed team accomplishments.
Apesketball is a team game.
If LeBald can't elevate his teams or didn't want to be judged by team accomplishments, LelBabby should've chosen Boxing.
>muh finals
Team accomplishments
nba hand picked him as MJs successor because there was no one else for the media to leech onto
hes also a big b***h that throws his hands into the air whenever a ref blows their whistle
I genuinely don't trust professional sportsmen who don't do this. You hate every call against you or you don't have the dawg
youre just used to EU football flopping
doesnt make it less pathetic
if you supported a team who never argued with refs or opposing teammates you'd call them soulless and heartless and you'd be right, giving a shit is not a negative trait and almost all truly great sportsmen have a massive persecution complex
well there is fighting on your own behalf and then there is b***hing. i dont remember kobe b***hing nearly as much
sure some athletes manage to b***h in more likable ways than others or project their anger outside of sulking/tantrums but its a very fine line and is without question always a positive trait in success
well he's on the wrong side of that fine line im afraid
Because Michael Jordan are better
i cannot think of a weaker mind than him. but he won a championship for cleveland which is basically impossible, so there's that.
I think the Cusb winning the world series was more amazing. Cleveland can't win shit without league interference.
because jordan is just better in every conceivable way. lebrons statpadded in the east which has been shit for the past 30 years.
2011 finals
No clutch gene
Cry baby/flopper
Mogged by Barea (2011 finals)
Uses excuses like air conditioner for his losses (2014 finals)
Most losses in NBA finals
I do.
I don't remember Jordan throwing a postseason so he could justify leaving to start a superteam.
Needed help from the league to win a title in Cleveland (all those high draft picks Cleveland earned through the lottery)
Needed to form superteams to finally win a ring against a JV Thunder squad
LeMickey has 0 rings in my book
>lockout ring
>bubble ring
>ray allen shot
>kyrie shot + got draymond suspended
>Casually omitting the block
Yikes
You mean goaltending
His game has never been aeathetically pleasing. MJ had great numbers but also was amazingly fun to watch. So was Magic.
Lebron is an all time great, but not THE greatest because like Kareem his game was too dependant on his height and strength. He always has had shit handles, and uses his elbows to brute force to the rim.
This. His game isn’t enjoyable especially compared to Jordan’s. He relies too much on his size, bull in a China shop drives to the hoop. Mental midget. Too many embarrassing moments. 2011 Finals when he was like 27. Mocking Dirk and then losing to him. Ring chasing. Feminine b***hing at the refs. Wears number 23. Made a shitty space jam sequel. Kinda ugly dude. His shoes suck compared to Jordans. I can respect him leaving Cleveland the first time but he really should have stayed in Miami and built a legacy there. Immature douche at times. Too many instances of giving up on a play and pouting. Played in the weakest East ever. Failed to make the playoffs 2 years in LA. Etc. instead of just being a baller he tried to manufacture himself into the goat.
This is permanently disqualifying from GOAT discussion.
Some people have already started arguing that he wasn't in his prime yet that year.
>8th year in the league
>not in prime yet
kek
the cope
Giannis will be better when he retires
Everyone of his titles are marked by an asterisk.
Counterpoint: Scottie Pippen is a living asterisk.
what does this have to do with scottie?
Jordan is a ringlet without him.
How many fmvps did Scottie win?
How many finals did Scottie play without Jordan?
How many MVPs did Scottie win?
How many scoring titles?
Keking at LeAirconditier dickeating, lmaoing even
The only question is, what did Jordan do without Scottie Pippen?
38-19 without pippen
Here bro
but this thread is about lebron
We call him LeGoat here
LeChina has zero (0) rings without good players bailing him out.
Because he only scores against Eibar and chokes in the finals
because hes nowhere near that good
Because I'm a moronic zoomer
He's a cuck
Because Kareem exists
Because he's not the greatest basketball player of all time
You can't debate his status objectively, there is a culture built around hating him.
LeBron is the type of player fans and owners hate the most, he is definition of no loyalty.
He will go wherever he has best opportunity and dip when his contract is over, how fans feel doesn't matter to him.
Dan Gilbert the cavs owner infamously wrote a letter telling the cavs fans they don't need him and to look forward to team success after he left to miami, only to tank for four years and has only kyrie to show for it.
Personally I don't care where players go, its professional sport and at the end money always win.
But claim that he is not goat because he is not skilled don't watch basketball, it take more than speed and strenght to be great in basketball, you can look at someone like Westbrook he is quick and explosive, but can't even make a fricking layup. Reading defence, slowing down to confuse defenders finishing with both hands, accurate pass in transition. And he learned how to shoot..
Only thing you can nitpick is his lackluster defence in regular season but he is high usage rate player, he has played more minute than MJ kareem... even game adjusted. Scored more points on less shot attempts.
He had long career and dominated an era full of talents, from kobe dirk Duncan kg KD curry kawhi and listen go on. He could had more rings if kd didnt form most broken team of all time. He was in his prime with kyrie, they would have went back to back at least.
>dominated
Lmao everyone and their mama has rings in >his era. Literally all the players you listed have gotten rings and beat him in the finals lol
He didn't dominate shit. Lebron played in the weakest conference, had 1-4 seeds and a cakewalk to the conference finals every year and they would choke. He decides to create a super team and even they choked.
There's only 2 conferences dumbass. Why does the strength matter so much to you fricking dumb people if each starting lineup theoretically has 5 players to send at LeBron every single game.
>There's only 2 conferences
yeah which is why when you're in the top-heavy one with like two good teams it makes it pretty easy because you can basically just coast until you get to the conference finals. LeBron's average postseason went:
>sweep an 8 seed that only made the playoffs because technically somebody had to
>play second round series against a team that would have been the 8 seed in the west
>finally play half-decent team in ECF, which, to his credit, he would beat
>lose to western conference champ more often than not
Owning an entire conference for almost a decade is not a bad stretch but let's be real. Not a single person on earth could claim the East was as deep as the West, nor even close to it. The West had the Warriors, Dirk's Mavs, the tail end of the Spurs dynasty....the East had that Derrick Rose Bulls team that was good for almost one whole year before he suffered his inevitable injury, and...the Pacers, I guess? I know they seemed good because they were always in the playoffs but Roy Hibbert was their 2nd best player.
You can put him in any conference, people are still seething that he won his second year in the West. It doesn't matter where he plays or how he wins, it's going to be criticized and devalued
>Owning an entire conference for almost a decade is not a bad stretch but let's be real. Not a single person on earth could claim the East was as deep as the West, nor even close to it. The West had the Warriors, Dirk's Mavs, the tail end of the Spurs dynasty....the East had that Derrick Rose Bulls team that was good for almost one whole year before he suffered his inevitable injury, and...the Pacers, I guess?
>The Celtics Big 3 who people insists were "washed" by any stretch of the imagination, when for about 3 years from the moment they stomped the Lakers in the 08 finals they consistently held onto 60 and 50-win seasons with top seedings. It was only in 2012 that they truly burnt out. They had dominated the East for 3 whole years.
>60-win Van Gundy Magic team with 3x DPOY Dwight Howard and Vince Carter + big lanky sharpshooters. Genuinely could not be stopped if their shooters got hot because they were too tall to reliably contest, and they had the #1 ranked defense in the NBA when they beat LeBron in 09 who still averaged 38/8/8 on 49%
>The 60-win Pistons team who held on for a bit even after their 6 consecutive eastern conference finals runs from 2003-2008, which pretty much coincides with the birth of the Big 3 Celtics
>The 60 wins Bulls led by Derrick Rose, as you mentioned, were still good
He had playoff runs in the East all the way back to 2006 and his numbers barely changed. The East was good until about 2014 when even the 54-win Melo/J.Kidd/J.R Smith Knicks fell off too. So the East was good longer than it was bad. 2014-2018 is only 4 fricking years of the East being complete dogshit.
2008 is when I started following his career too. I did not come to the conclusion that he's a bad player however. I still don't understand how anyone can.
>people are still seething that he won his second year in the West.
>mickey mouse ring
>You can put him in any conferenc
okay
>fails to make playoffs in his first year in one of the weakest Wests ever
>LeBubble
>first round exit
>fails to make playoffs yet again
>The East was good until about 2014
No it wasn't
The East was top heavy with dogshit teams that wouldn't have even come close to making the playoffs in the West going back to at least 2004.
also,
LMAO at trying to use Dwight Howard and the one-hit wonder Magic as some kind of legit barometer of greatness.
Jesus christ you are moronic
Jesus christ you have no fricking argument
Lol wut? Duncan swept LeBron once, utterly destroyed him another time and BARELY lost once because the dumbass coach subbed him out and Kawhi choked freethrows. Sure LeBron might still rank over Duncan but he NEVER bested him. In fact its the opposite, Duncan made LeBron his b***h for literally 10 years
Kawhi owns him
Steph owns him
KD owns him
Dirk owns him
Duncan owns him
He played in a soft league with no defense. He would be crying like a homosexual if he had to face the late 80s Pistons or the early 90s Knicks.
Qing James would purposely cite "load management" every single time the Bad Boy Pistons were on the schedule. Laimbeer would have completely mindfricked him.
The phrase load management alone negates him from being the GOAT. Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Stockton/Malone, Wilt, Oscar, etc. would never.
mj better sadly
Because he's an overrated racist.
yo what the frick is his problem?
Because he's not.
Because all he really is just longevity. That's it.
Compared to MJ it's like a quality vs quantity.
All his accomplishments are just chink micky mouse shit coupled with a shit eastern conference.
He's a fraud who's only merits on paper is that he is able to make his way to the finals multiple times.
If you don't absolutely dominate in the postseason you need to put up hilarious numbers like Wilt did
James did neither
To me he's one of those players who's in the goat debate for athleticism rather than raw numbers, so he'd be in contention even without accolades, much Wilt. Unlike Wilt though he actually has more rings and finals MVPs and his playstyle was more conducive to winning outside last season, obvioulsy..
>muh scoring titles
Not an argument
I consider him in the top 5, for sure. Regular season records, only Kareem is clearly greater. Post-season, MJ is greater on a per-game basis. But no player has ever equalled LeBron in the whole offensive game: scoring, rebounds, assists. His playoff teams were essentially the same as MJ - Pippen and Rodman all rolled into one guy.
LeBron is the only player to lead a conference championship team in points, assists and rebounds four times. Hakeem is the only player who comes close to that total domination of a championship team.
The Harlem Globetrotters will win the 2023 nba championship
he's a fricking homosexual who is nothing without ray allen and kyrie bailing his choke ass out
>Why don't you consider him the greatest basketball player of all time?
because i am intimidated by his intellect
Dirk beat his ass with prime Wade and Bosh, by himself.
Jordan would have won 8 finals in a row if he didnt try baseball.
guys like Kobe and Jordan would stab you in a game of pick up on the street to win and then tell you you're soft. LeBron just doesn't care as much
Jordan 3-peated twice. Lebron will always be the second best and unfortunately that's all he'll ever be.
lebron is top 3, Here's why
went to 10 championships straight
4 rings
incredibly dominant
if steph curry doesnt exist he has a better record that jordan
>went to 10 championships straight
he didn't
>LeBum needed help to be in the south beach
>LeFlop still struggles in Ohio
>decideds to joins the Disney crew
What went wrong?
Or Jason Terry / Dirk nowitski or kawhi lenoard.
Lebron is soft he just gives up when things aren't going his way. Kobe literally shot free throws on a torn muscle just to make sure he didn't lose
There are many valid critiques of LeBron but the whole "why doesn't he stay on the sideline during the final minute of a thirty point blowout for the HECKIN TEAM SPIRIT!?!" narrative is the most Reddit shit ever. Ten year olds in little league care about that sort of thing, not grown pro athletes. The kind of people who make videos like this are the same ones who would ask Kyrie stupid ass questions about LeBron being a father figure, as if Kyrie was supposed to be thinking "OH BOY I want to make daddy LeBron proud I hope he watches the last minute of my big game :-)" These are professionals not kids, they don't give a frick if the starters go back and ice/watch tape at the tail end of a blowout.
It's disrespectful to the team
It would have some merit if the 'statpadder' argument weren't leveraged against him every time he stays in.
If they don't want him to stay and pad his stats, people shouldn't complain when he doesn't.
The worst is people getting angry that NBA players are friends with each other, or that they smile during press conferences after losses instead of being depressed and suicidal.
he just has the optics of being a giant b***h which isn't a good look for a goat. He might be the greatest talent the game has ever seen and shatter most major longevity records but he'll never be able to shake that perception for a lot of people. He also took ring chasing and player collusion to a whole other level yet has way fewer rings then you'd expect. It's especially funny since he himself thought that he checkmated the league when he went to miami
Lebron only has 2 rings as a bus driver and an Olympic Bronze. He was getting punked by Carlos Arroyo and JJ Barea.
“For me, it’s putting our team in position to be successful. It starts with my approach,” James said. “It starts with my accountability and trickles down to everybody else. These shoulders were built for a reason and if it takes for me to put more on top of it then so be it. Win, lose or draw. I’m ready for the challenge.”
Coming to accept LeBron is a baby who will never be goat after religiously watching his games from 2008-2019 marked the completion of my childhood. I’ve never been the same since. Skip, I kneel.
Dirk took his soul in Miami.
Because Curry is better
I respect his early playoff runs in clevland
>cant hit free throws, biggest weakness and has lost series and important games because of it. Huge weakness that removes what made him so great in the early years.
>gets locked up by JJ Barrea. No one else in contention for the greatest of all time could ever get locked up by JJ Barrea. Hell, G.O.A.T by position across the board wouldnt get locked up by Barrea for a series let alone a game
>when it matters, someone else has had to force the win for all finals in his career except the micky mouse one
>the bubble finals WAS a micky mouse chickenshit ring
>huge criticism about Lebron's success being tied to being in the eastern conference
>switches over to the western and doesnt even make the fricking playoffs 2/4 years. (or was it 1/3?) cant remember whatever its pathetic
>majority of his career stats, which is what has drawn him his casual fanbase came from 4th quarter loss-blowouts where teams would let him walk in to the basket so that they could burn the clock out
>zero dog in him
>majority of his career stats, which is what has drawn him his casual fanbase came from 4th quarter loss-blowouts where teams would let him walk in to the basket so that they could burn the clock out
100% pure bullshit and revisionist history.
LeFraud is a modern day Wilt: a statpadding loser
Because he's a b***h
4-6
Unironically
He is the best ever from a pure stats standpoint but holy shit his finals record kills it
You cannot have a losing record in the biggest moment and be considered the GOAT you just fricking can't
Jordancels unironically consider it better to go out in 1st round than in the finals
Real shit if he was 5-5 or better I would say GOAT easily
That loss to the Mavs will ALWAYS be the absolute worst thing that happened in Lebron's career. They had no reason losing that finals
If he was 6-4 then sure. But 4-6, there's no argument to be made.
Most of LeBrons records are longevity records, he's simply played more than anyone else, which are of course still admirable. He'll have played 20 seasons by next season and he'll probably retire around 22.
because he's a gay
As a singular performer he probably is the greatest simply given how he's still an offensive force even heading into age 37.
But in all other aspects, such as leadership and making your teammates better, I'd put Jordan and Magic above LeBron. I might even say Curry as well if not for the sham KD rings.
If anything, the KD rings are just as valuable since him leaving didn't affect the team, but Steph getting hurt certainly didm
Oh nooo the 90s basket was so awesome.
homies used to act like real homies.
And MJ used to make fade away and shit, make less than half and get a foul everytime he drive to the basket.
You can't name a player in last 20 years better than him.
Timothy Theodore Duncan.
Only 2fmvp.
Right now he's third all time for me but will finish second (above Kareem) if he breaks his scoring record and has two more all star seasons, which he likely will. To match up with Jordan he needs one more ring/FMVP and even then the GOAT debate would still be like 60/40 in favor of Jordan in my mind. If he gets two more rings though he's the actual GOAT.
Because he once was defeated by an Air Conditioner
>imagine thinking he's better than Air Jordan when he can't even beat Air Con
Kek, lmao even
Steph Curry permanently changed how the game of basketball is played.
Lebron was just another ball handling forward.
In that case Bob Cousy is the GOAT for basically inventing dribbling the ball down the court and starting an offensive set. Before him it was all pass, no dribble
Cause I hate the present.
GOAT recognizes GOAT
because MJ has a better looney toons movie
Leb***h is not even top 5 of this era, let alone all time. Basically a perennial loser and a fraudulent b***h, much like Chambermeme, except LeBeta lucked into some asterisk rings.
Lebron > Kobe > MJ > Kareem
>kobrick above kareem
end your life
>kobe in any top 10 at all
when will people stop dickriding kobe? Shaq was the best player on that lakers team and it's not even close
Roiddhead.
Half his finals runs are rigged with refball bullshit.
He gets away with taking 4 steps and pushing homies .
His bubble kobe run was as rigged as it gets.
He could punch a guy and not get called for a foul.
3-1 lead comeback was also obviously rigged.
Draymond gets suspended, Curry gets 6 phantom fouls and Lebron gets away with murder.
Not to mention the superstar stacking teams.
Most manufactured NBA player in history.
If refs were fair, he would have like 2 rings with Miami in 5 finals.
Luka Doncic will be the GOAT in 10 years.
MJ was in the NBA 15 seasons, went to the playoffs 13 times, finals 6 times, won it all 6 times.
Lebron in the NBA 19 seasons, went to playoffs 15 times, finals 10 times., won it all 4 times.
Morons who only count Rings and nothing else state that it isn't close. Obviously, it is close.
Super Team babby
He's one of the greatest, but imo there's no way he'll fill the shoes set by Jordan. Neither him nor Kobe could do it even though they did excelent.
because Bird and Iverson are both much, much more complete players that had higher peaks and better consistency
>swept in first Finals appearance
>loses to Mavs in 2011
>completely humiliated by Spurs after his 2peat
>loses not 1, not 2, but 3 Finals vs. Golden State
>essentially still at 3 rings because of fake covid championship
>prostitutes himself out to different teams, unlike MJ or Kobe
Staying his entire career with Cleveland and winning like 7 championships there might make him the GOAT, but 3.5 rings aint shit
kek you can't talk about loyalty or losing to the mavs then use kobr of all players
I don't know shit about basketball but I can't fathom how this guy really only won 4 out of 10 nba finals, like how can you be that big of a choke artist?
He's a mental midget who needed, not only super teams, but other players to bail him out in the clutch.
You can't be the GOAT and have a losing record in our sports championship.
because michael jordan has the highest PER and nobody will ever beat it