Fans really think TNT/TBS will keep the same budget with or without NBA, which would be like the Bucks trading Giannis and not going full rebuild.
If TNT/TBS completely lose NBA, their budget will completely crater. They're not going to blow that money locking up AEW for 5 years, which might take them out of the running for other sports, e.g., UFC TV rights expire in 2025.
With ESPN/Fox/WBD launching a joint sports streaming platform, WBD needs more properties or they risk being dropped. Just go to the press releases from the announcement and you'll get an idea of what WBD/TNT/TBS will be targeting to replace the NBA
>Offering to include NFL, NBA, WNBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR, College Sports, UFC, PGA TOUR Golf, Grand Slam Tennis, the FIFA World Cup, Cycling and Much More
Not listed: Professional Wrestling, no matter how much Boarjama and Porcinewheels squeal and deflect about it
Someone come fix your bot, I didn't say anything about production costs.
>it's like a heckin sports team with league-mandated payroll rules
i'm sure these analogies sound better in your head but they're dumber than shit lmao
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/cap/_/year/2024
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/tax/_/year/2024/sort/tax_total
The Bucks are currently over the luxury tax line and have the 5th highest payroll in the league. If they lose Giannis, they are going full rebuild; if they have a payroll minimum to meet, they will trade good players (with years of team control left) for overpriced/expiring contracts.
I will literally never understand what it is that compels a homosexual homosexual nerd non-sports fan to think they can somehow Google everything on the fly and win an argument against someone who has followed sports for 30+ years.
how far over the luxury tax is WBD currently? what's their cable-mandated salary minimum? how many expiring TV deals can they trade for? what's a super max deal look like in the cable league?
you are legit probably the stupidest frick on this board lmao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
[Sad News] Local moronic man doesn't understand how analogies work
TV channels, radio stations and websites change format all the time. TNN used to be The Nashville Network and changed to TNN shortly after landing WWE Raw
>In 2000, Viacom sensed redundancy among its TNN and CMT properties and, catalyzed by its acquisition of the rights to World Wrestling Federation (WWF, now WWE) programming, decided to refocus TNN.[10] The network was renamed The National Network on September 25 (later The New TNN) and reformatted to compete with TNT, TBS, and USA Network by attracting viewers in the 18 to 49-year-old demographic.[13] Prior to 2000, over half of TNN's viewers were 55 years old and over. Only one-third of them were between the ages of 18 and 49, according to Nielsen Media Research
If TNT loses their most important Sports rights partner, they're not going to re-spend 100% of that NBA money on AEW and assorted properties. I don't understand why you have to sit there and be a snaggle-toothed homosexual about it, refusing to even debate, instead choosing to be a dickhead about my comparison. It's always the same homosexual act all the time, zero URLs, zero sources, you just act like a fricking shithead because you can never win any arguments
Some of you have this backwards but all you need to do is to look at how Fox chased after WWE for original programming once Fox Corp was sold off to ABC. Wrestling benefited. If TNT misses out on NBA, AEW will benefit. WBD is not going to sit back and lose AEW as well.
But WBD, deeply in debt and cratering stock (though they did rebound to ~$8 today), is not going to overpay for Dynamite, Rampage, Collision, PPVs + Streaming, which is the point. I think they'll be willing to pay a premium price for AEW Dynamite but sub-market for the rest, so the question is if Tony will hold out Dynamite to make 1 partner take all the TV programs.
AEW needs a monthly streaming service (back catalog + PPVs + original programming) to really grow, but they don't have a big enough paying fanbase to land a lucrative deal with MAX, Paramount+ or Amazon, and the swearing/violence (though they did mute the word shit last night) take them off Disney+
>it's like a heckin sports team with league-mandated payroll rules
i'm sure these analogies sound better in your head but they're dumber than shit lmao
Why wouldn't they lock up AEW for 5 years regardless? Without the NBA they will lose a lot of their budget but they also don't have to pay the NBA anymore. AEW is usually the most watched thing on their network outside of the NBA, why would it make sense for them to drop it? I get what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense to lose their number 1 and 2 best programs.
>Why wouldn't they lock up AEW for 5 years regardless?
Because AEW has shitty ad rates and their ratings are locked in a death spiral. Renewing AEW simply makes no sense at this point. It would be like drafting a terminal cancer patient to your sports team.
every year we go through this and every year drones once again prove they are absolutely fricking moronic
>Even if they resign
dronies already pre-coping for when WBD reups their deal with AEW kek
Raw and SmackDown's ratings have fallen by greater percentages than Dynamite's pretty much every negotiating period and they've gotten gigantic increases each time.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
because the name is worth something not like GAYEW is.
makes sense why fox just dropped SMACK when it didn't worth for what they paid for
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because their falls have matched or outperformed the industry cable cutting.
AEW doesn't have enough the recognition of WWE nor the brand loyalty
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Because their falls have matched or outperformed the industry cable cutting.
Are AEW's drops more severe than the drop in cable? I'm guessing not because Dynamite still pretty much only loses to NBA, the NHL playoffs or some big real world news event on Wednesdays. >AEW doesn't have enough the recognition of WWE nor the brand loyalty
That's a reason that it won't get the same level of increase as Raw or SmackDown. It's not a reason it won't get an increase at all.
>Raw and SmackDown
Stopped reading there. This is about AEW not WWE. Try again.
Why can't I use the precedent set by the market leader to try and predict what'll happen with the secondary company?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why can't I use the precedent set by the market leader to try and predict what'll happen with the secondary company?
Because the gulf between AEW and WWE is so vast that they can't be compared. In just one year AEW has managed to lose about a quarter of its audience and the bleeding is only getting worse. It isn't a hot property by any stretch of the imagination.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Because the gulf between AEW and WWE is so vast
Not really though is it? Same order of magnitude on most things, that's not a gulf. >In just one year AEW has managed to lose about a quarter of its audience
You think WWE haven't lost a quarter of their audience in a comparatively similar timeframe? Get real
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Not really though is it?
It is. >You think WWE haven't lost a quarter of their audience in a comparatively similar time-frame
Yes that's exactly what I think. Feel free to prove me wrong if you can.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Smackdown debuted on Fox with 3 milly
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And? Did WWE lose a quarter of its audience in a year like AEW has?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It makes them comparable and any arguments to the contrary is cope
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
AEW lost a quarter of its audience in a year. If WWE didn't also lose a quarter of its audience in a year then their losses are quite literally incomparable.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Something taking a year vs more than a year to happen doesn't make them incomparable. You can't just introduce an arbitrary time limit to ignore what's taking place. You're just coping.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>AEW lost a quarter of its audience in a year
but that's wrong, you stupid fricking homosexual
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Actually its right and the stupid homosexual is you I'm afraid. Dynamite dropped from 900k to 700k and that's about a quarter. And they're currently in the process of dropping to 600k to make matters worse.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not in a year. Dynamite wasn't doing 900k last year.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
RAW lost over 800k viewers in three weeks after Mania, lil' bro
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no milly? no 8 hundy for you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Short term peaks and valleys in the ratings are irrelevant. I'm talking about ratings performance over the period of a year. AEW lost a quarter of its audience over that time span. WWE didn't. There's no valid comparison to be made.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
AEW wasn't doing 900k last year
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>AEW wasn't doing 900k last year
Yes it was. AEW frequently hit 900k last year. It was their ceiling. Now their ceiling is 700k. I'm being generous and not even counting the handful of millys they got in 2023, if I did then it would paint an even grimmer picture.
https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/resources/aew-dynamite-viewership-numbers-2019/
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Are AEW's drops more severe than the drop in cable?
No, if they were AEW would've slid down the rankings but they're doing no worse than they have done historically by demo ranking.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If AEW's budget were still at 2019 levels, then getting 700k viewers in 2024 wouldn't be as much of an issue. But signing Mercedes, Ospreay and Okada alone nearly matches the 2019 budget that was LOADED with indy shitters who became mainstays. They've since given big money to Jay White, MJF, Adam Cole, Danielson, countless others, while not being able to maximize other revenue streams like video games, social media, merchandise, documentaries and so on
Tony put all his eggs in the media rights basket, but as he needs negotiating leverage the most, TV ratings are far below the 90-day average. There was not a sudden spike in cord-cutting in the last 90 days, AEW is slumping badly
i kinda understand why Zaslav say he doesn't need the NBA
HBO MAX as a project it seem as a failure by him , he only want to sell pieces of WB products to other companies
Bet he didn't kill the service because it was bigger than him at that time and its no wonder why they merger it with discovery
It's bravado but he's wrong. A large chunk of us have been turned off Hollyweird slop and cuck/woke TV shows, there's a limited amount of content that appeals to a large audience. Families will subscribe to Disney+/services with kids content, but that's only 1 subscription for 3-5+ people. The real money is in selling cable/streaming sports packages to single men and drama/reality show garbage to single women
TNT needs NBA much more than NBA needs TNT. Live content is always a draw and the average pleb doesn't want to give their PC herpes and deal with shit-quality streams just to watch the big game or the big fight.
not to be a c**t but smack has been on a steady 2 milly and RAM with 1.7 mill
FOX dropped it because the people that watch don't buy their products in the ads they only CONSOOM WWE
You say the same shit 700 times a day but this is more true than false. WWE fans tune in for WWE, tune out all else going on. WWE won't get sponsors like Lexus or Apple, college football will
AEW wasn't doing 900k last year
Comparing AEW ratings drop to WWE is a non-starter anyway because the payroll/revenues are so different between the two. WWE for just one example, insists on giving performers custom music so they can then monetize those themes on Spotify, YouTube, etc. AEW in general LOSES MONEY on wrestler themes because Tony pays out the ass for licensed music. AEW is so mismanaged on the non-TV side, they NEED TV money. But WBD doesn't have it to give.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do you think it was a mistake for AEW to let Cody go to WWE?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think the AEW audience always resented the fact that Cody could go back to WWE whenever he wanted, he had a decade of history there and lots of friends. Compare that to Bucks, Hangman, all the others who never had a WWE contract let alone held multiple WWE singles/tag titles.
The AEW audience thought they could bully Cody Rhodes into turning heel -- if you don't like it go back to WWE! Ya little b***h! -- so he did just that, left AEW. I think the money was secondary and he was more insulted by the way the smarks/insiders treated him.
>you can't compare AEW and WWE ratings drops because Tony sometimes pays for licensed music
Genuinely feels like I'm talking to ChatGPT rn
Your foot isn't connected to your head, and yet
The thigh bone's connected to the hip bone.
The hip bone's connected to the backbone.
The backbone's connected to the neck bone.
Doin' the skeleton dance.
Shake your hands to the left.
Shake your hands to the right.
Put your hands in the air.
Put your hands out of sight.
Shake your hands to the left.
Shake your hands to the right.
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You can be a stupid fricking homosexual like you usually are 95% of the time, it doesn't change the facts. WWE already signed their 3 new media rights deals, AEW has their ass flapping in the wind right now. If Tony didn't hire morons to manage Merchandise, Video Games, etc, then TV money wouldn't be so crucial to his bottom line.
It all makes sense if you aren't a moron or a disingenuous b***h - or in your case, a little bit of both.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Was it a mistake for Tony to let Cody go to WWE?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh, I thought you wanted a genuine answer, my bad.
Frick off and eat shit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do you think it was a mistake for Tony to leave AEW and go to WWE?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
aew = no profits
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him but with Vince frick no , Cody was going to end as a midcard
With Triple H? dude has created the ultimate babyface that rivals Hogan
Cody Is bigger than AEW
Cody going to WWE also means AEW is not perfect place that exist that give opportunity to others
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you can't compare AEW and WWE ratings drops because Tony sometimes pays for licensed music
Genuinely feels like I'm talking to ChatGPT rn
2 weeks ago
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>Raw and SmackDown
Stopped reading there. This is about AEW not WWE. Try again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Pic rel is talking about NBA so are you the moron ?
They're getting out of television.Expect them to be on a streaming platform. max is what i'm hearing
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
tiny say tv is important and you need to wonder how worthless aew catalog is
i can see tiny doing a stream service for roh + aew and in a crazy scenario stardom/njpw
The point I'm making is if WBD loses NBA, their focus with the budget is going to be properties that can air on both TNT/TBS *and* the joint sports streaming platform. AEW is programming that would only air on TNT/TBS, unlike WNBA which would draw less than AEW but is ideal for the WBD/Fox/ESPN project
Why wouldn't they lock up AEW for 5 years regardless? Without the NBA they will lose a lot of their budget but they also don't have to pay the NBA anymore. AEW is usually the most watched thing on their network outside of the NBA, why would it make sense for them to drop it? I get what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense to lose their number 1 and 2 best programs.
Cable/Satellite packages often have [regional] sports surcharges of $5-12/mo and sports channel bundles (FS2, ESPN3, NFL, NBA, etc) cost $10-20/mo. TNT/TBS having sports allows them to be in cable packages that DON'T have the sports surcharge, which is usually the Silver-tier Cable package, where Gold has ESPN/FS1/etc, and Platinum has 1001 channels like BET Disco and Knitting en español
WBD should make a huge push for AEW Dynamite, regardless of what happens when the NBA, it's the other programs that are more questionable. AEW Rampage/Collision are subpar garbage that are programmed with minimal effort. These executives aren't stupid, it's their job to understand this stuff. The ABCD storylines are on Dynamite, Collision is lucky to get a week-to-week storyline going (FTR/Garcia vs House of Black is an example). Until Tony treats Rampage and Collision as premium shows, then he can't expect WBD or anyone else to pay a premium price for them
If Smackdown is worth $280,000,000/year for 2 hours, Dynamite should fetch $100M/year. I hope Tony shops Rampage/Collision to Paramount or another property. The gap between ratings is so big, I think 80-90% of the current R/C audience would follow, and Tony treating R/C like a big deal (major feuds, #1 contender matches, celebrity appearances, etc) will get them 110-130% of their current audience.
I really don't know what happens with Streaming + PPVs. What happens if MAX wants to stream next-day TV plus catalog, but they don't want PPVs? I don't think Tony adds 4 new PPVs to the schedule to NOT do a streaming/monthly deal. Lots of moving parts
They need some live TV. If TNT loses the NBA I think it makes a AEW deal much more likely. If they overpay for the NBA (which they would have to since like 8 companies are bidding on it) a suit at WB might say lets cut AEW to help pay for it. The NBA is gold and has the youngest demo in sports it's priority #1.
>NBA leaving WBD is great news for AEW though
I'd sooner expect WBD to be completely broken up and all of its IPs to be sold off before they would choose AEW over NBA.
You'd think so, but no. They don't want to explain to shareholders why they lost the rights to the NBA while giving some wrestling promotion nobody watches a raise.
That would be like your kid asking you for the new $60 video game, and you buy 4 $15 games instead. If NBA is lost, TNT will be unable to justify their carriage fees even if they re-allocate every single dollar they allotted for the NBA games package.
Maybe WBD will just sell the networks in that scenario. Can't put anything past the psychos running that company right now.
They will need to completely overhaul TNT/TBS if they lose the NBA
NCAA Basketball March Madness, 1.5 NHL/1 MLB per week, it's not enough.
You'd think so, but no. They don't want to explain to shareholders why they lost the rights to the NBA while giving some wrestling promotion nobody watches a raise.
Finally, someone else gets it. NBA is a prestige brand with multiple media patners, so overspending for it makes sense. Deeply indebted WBD overspending for floundering AEW, with zero other media partners, does not make any sense.
I can see them making a big push for Dynamite (and only Dynamite), and letting AEW take their other properties everywhere, but they're not keeping 100% of AEW's properties plus mega-streaming deal for PPVs, back catalog, ROH, Stardom, New Japan, Old Japan, Rossydom, PWG, and the other 50 fricking tape libraries the smarks seem to think will add up to a $790,000,000/year for Tony Khan. It's just not happening.
Some of you have this backwards but all you need to do is to look at how Fox chased after WWE for original programming once Fox Corp was sold off to ABC. Wrestling benefited. If TNT misses out on NBA, AEW will benefit. WBD is not going to sit back and lose AEW as well.
If WBD loses NBA, this could be the one thing that finally puts David Zaslav in the hot seat with shareholders. He was hired to be a slash and burn man to bring down their debt, but if they fumble NBA under his watch, then he's finally fricked up past the point of no return
If Zaslav thinks his job is on the line, he is not going to spend big on an AEW renewal that he would have to justify to shareholders.
"More AEW" won't help with carriage fees either. Because it already doesn't help. It's not going to suddenly start helping five years in.
I wonder if Rampage and Collision just get canceled or Tiny's pride refuses to admit, so he self funds their broadcast on AEW+ on Triller
Are you me? Someone else that knows all the right terms and framing. Bravo.
I think Rampage/Collision survive because AEW needs to run a minimum 2 shows per week - House shows turned into Collision because why not, their guys needed the work and TNT needed the programming. I personally think AEW should run 3 shows per week -- Dynamite in a large arena, Collision in a 6-8k multipurpose arena, and ROH/Dark/Other in a 2-3k/Hammerstein-sized arena. But I digress.
WBD is in cost-cutting mode as you said, they're not overpaying for anything. If they lose NBA, they're going to have to take some big chances on YouTubers, TikTok personalities, or some other folks who can make shows/content for lower than typical L.A./N.Y. [[[productions]]] would cost. The new sitcom from Tina Fey or someone is not going to move the needle, PewDiePie, Mr Beast, etc, might.
>AEW needs to run a minimum 2 shows per week
They don't *need* to fun 2 shows per week. They only have two shows, so their gigantic roster is justified with more bookings.
It's time to rip the band aid off and trim the fat, cut the roster down significantly. Swallow your pride and release the pouty ex wwe guys. They're not going to move the needle for WWE and will get lowballed by Endeavor.
Restructure the contracts and offer more TNA style pay per appearance deals. A lot of guys will probably balk and walk. Let em.
If there were more free agents, there might be a chance for another indie boom.
I should have been more specific -- they need at least 2 events per week to get their guys work, even if they drop down to only 3 hours of weekly TV. I agree they need to cut the roster down to size, but even if/when they do that, if you can't wrestle 1 match per week, you don't belong on the AEW roster.
The rest of your post is spot on - when WWE mass released talent, AEW scooped up a whole load of them. The round with Nemeth, Mustafa Ali, etc, it looks like Tony learned his lesson. This latest round with GYV, Von Wagner, Jinder, etc, I don't see how you sign Xia Li but not Nic Nemeth, wouldn't make sense.
Tony has already proven that, from a money/security context, he's a G and will pay you out even if you're stuck at home. But it's time to cut down on the at-home crowd and only sign people that you NEED to show up regularly and do work. No more Butcher/Blade, Lance Archer, Private Party, Kip/Penelope, these guys have to go. If nothing else it will send a message to the other roster members who would rather sit at home than take indy bookings, like they're some how too good to work bingo halls even when AEW/ROH has nothing for them (looking at you Aaron Solo, Abadon, etc, you know who you are).
They lose WBD, it's TNA all over again. Going from shit channel to even more shit channel until they have zero presence left in the world of wrestling.
>Warner has 1.5 billion per year they now aren't going to spend on the NBA >Warner needs content more than ever without the NBA. >This is somehow bad for AEW.
Huh?
That doesn't mean anything. WBD will pay as little as Tony Khan would accept. They aren't going to give AEW more money just because they don't have the NBA. Do you think Tony is going to be a great negotiator, or is he going to be an Autistic weirdo who just wants to get to the part where he can hug the WBD executives?
I'm saying the premise of "WBD won't have any money to pay AEW" is faulty because...they have 1.5 billion dollars a year that they can now spend elsewhere.
Hey moron you know cable operators are going to drop TNT/TBS right?
I doubt it. They still have MLB, NHL and NCAA basketball, don't they?
MLB makes most of it's money from regional sports deals/TV packages - and the marquee game is Sunday Night Baseball, not the Tuesday night game. Their NHL package is about 2 games per week, but NHL isn't a draw. They have NCAA during March Madness, and that's it. 1 month of NCAA does not justify 12 months of a high carriage fee.
Why are you asking questions instead of making statements? Just state your argument and your opinion.
Raw and SmackDown's ratings have fallen by greater percentages than Dynamite's pretty much every negotiating period and they've gotten gigantic increases each time.
I've said it before in other threads: the people with access to the per-second subscriber information (Comcast) decided it was a GOOD idea to give a massive raise to Smackdown to return to USA. Comcast doesn't do that if they don't strongly believe a large number of subscribers wouldn't cancel Cable, outright, if WWE was available on network/streaming only
Overnight ratings are only one piece of the puzzle, as are external metrics (YouTube views, etc). Most important (and proprietary) are the internal metrics: DVR use, Cable+Internet(+Phone) package movement, Video on demand, Live TV via the Comcast App - and more to the point here, HOW MUCH time the average WWE Raw/Smackdown/NXT viewer spends outside of wrestling content. Back when I had cable, I hardly watched TV outside of wrestling/football, and football was on network TV (Fox/CBS/NBC). You know who also knew that info? Comcast executives
With 5G internet ramping up in large metro areas, people are more likely to cut not just Cable but Internet as well, so Comcast/NBCU has to be particularly careful with how many properties they allow to go to Streaming or Network TV. They are the largest benefactor of a leveled and varied playing field. NFL on ESPN still benefits Comcast, Raw on Netflix is a cause for concern
They're getting out of television.Expect them to be on a streaming platform. max is what i'm hearing
Possible but I saw Shingles and other old people ads during Dynamite last night, and demo is shrinking faster than overall audience. AEW's keeping their boomers and boomers ain't so good at using Streaming platforms
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You realize regional sports channels are dying right?
>they have 1.5 billion dollars a year that they can now spend elsewhere.
They'll spend it on the WNBA or another sports (UFC is up for renewal in 2026) before pro wrestling.
So I know the focus is on how bad it is for WBD to lose the NBA, but why the frick is NBC spending 2.5 billion a year on the third-tier package? Is there any way for them to actually make their money back on that?
They bundle everything together, NBC+USA+NBCSN+etc, so cable/satellite providers have to pay for everything in one shot. The WBD package is hurting right now because the Discovery side has 0 sports and Warner Brothers could lose NBA coverage. Unlike NBC/Universal, WBD doesn't have a broadcast channel (ABC-Disney, CBS-Paramount, FOX are the other bigs) and they only own a sliver of the CW.
Why are people pretending networks care about WWE because of wrestling and not WWE itself?
Seriously WBD bet on GAYEW and that shit didn't pay off and is not going to worth the increment on price Tiny is asking
I disagree with your tone and verbiage, but this is more true than false. WWE has a track record of bringing the fanbase with them. TNN/Spike/Paramount has been declining since they replaced WWE with TNA and later let TNA expire. Unless/until AEW is strong enough rating-wise to be a lead-in for something other than movies/re-runs, it doesn't justify paying WWE-tier money or anywhere close.
>cable operators are going to drop TNT/TBS >source: the voices in your fat head
>People are cutting cable >But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong! >People are getting more obese >But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong! >Cable operators are going to drop TNT/TBS >But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong!
I'm saying the premise of "WBD won't have any money to pay AEW" is faulty because...they have 1.5 billion dollars a year that they can now spend elsewhere.
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I doubt it. They still have MLB, NHL and NCAA basketball, don't they?
How the frick do you still not get this, have you even read through the thread so far? TV is not like your local office supply store, with that moron "have to spend the budget so they don't cut it next year!" trope. There is nothing WBD can replace NBA with that will keep their carriage fees what they are now. They lose NBA, that budget allocation will be reclaimed by WBD. There's not suddenly 1,500,000,000 smackarinos to go on a shopping spree.
>People are cutting cable >But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong! >People are getting more obese >But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong! >Cable operators are going to drop TNT/TBS >But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong!
this doesn't address anything I said you fricking schizo
Go to the website and look around, you fricking prick. Look at the $40 package then look at the $65/75 packages. TNT/TBS is usually carried in Cable/Satellite providers' LOWEST tier cable package, the one WITHOUT MTV2, Cartoon Network and other more niche channels.
https://www.sling.com/ --- TNT/TBS are currently in both Orange and Blue plans. If they lose NBA and WBD decides to slash other content, they could end up being Orange-only or Blue-only.
Do you need more examples? Do you even deserve more examples? Stupid fricking b***h. All you do is talk shit and provide 0 receipts.
Why are people pretending networks care about WWE because of wrestling and not WWE itself?
Seriously WBD bet on GAYEW and that shit didn't pay off and is not going to worth the increment on price Tiny is asking
i kinda understand why Zaslav say he doesn't need the NBA
HBO MAX as a project it seem as a failure by him , he only want to sell pieces of WB products to other companies
Bet he didn't kill the service because it was bigger than him at that time and its no wonder why they merger it with discovery
not to be a c**t but smack has been on a steady 2 milly and RAM with 1.7 mill
FOX dropped it because the people that watch don't buy their products in the ads they only CONSOOM WWE
I really don't get why live sporting events not called the NFL are at the prestige level they are. NBA gets 1 milly for regular season games. I'm sure the boomers watching Big Bang stick around for the commercials more than people watching a live sporting event.
If the NBA is getting 70 billion over 11 years, as i'm seeing reported, does that make the NFL worth almost 1 trilly over the same time? How much of an advertising budget does Draft Kings and the fat lady dancing about diabetes have?
Feels like tv execs are a bunch of Tony money marks when they're giving Tom Brady etc. 30 million to do commentary in a sport where nobody gives a shit who's announcing. It's like these execs hand out this money cause they want to play golf with athletes above all else.
NBA gets 1.5-2.5 milly for random regular season games and sometimes 10+ milly for playoffs. It also has insane social media numbers and engagement from the most coveted demo.
>NBA gets 1.5-2.5 milly for random regular season games
I was thinking of the games I see posted when someone posts the AEW ratings. Weekday games seem like they're 700k-1.2M, but you're probably right about them hitting 2M on weekends.
Just looking at the wiki finals ratings, Late 2000teens looks like they were 15-20 milly, with some bigger game 7 pops, now it's 10-12 milly. And I'd imagine that goes down with no Steph or Lebron.
Haha I love laughing at AEW
Did Inoki really say that?
They are broke, they need Tony to pay for more infomercials.
WBD can make money selling to advertisers with reruns and MCU marathons
MCU is Disney, Warner owns DC
Warner has TV rights to show MCU movies in their networks dum dum
Are you moronic? Are you this slow? TNT is doing a marathon of Star Wars right now thats owned by
>DISNEY
TNT still shows Star Wars and Marvel marathons. Money is money.
why don't you leave the business analysis to the folks with jobs, e-wipe
>ewipe!!
What’s wrong? Shaking in your hooves?
I guess you haven’t checked pigcord in a bit, brother. We abandoned ewipe after some edrone found this….
I thought trannies spent more money? What happened?
What about Inside the NBA? Do I finally get to watch it without having it interrupted by a basketball game?
Chuck said he’s retiring if tnt doesn’t get the rights
A true shame.
>Has become such a huge smark that now he's only interested in the backstage of real sports rather than the games too
B...based?
Fans really think TNT/TBS will keep the same budget with or without NBA, which would be like the Bucks trading Giannis and not going full rebuild.
If TNT/TBS completely lose NBA, their budget will completely crater. They're not going to blow that money locking up AEW for 5 years, which might take them out of the running for other sports, e.g., UFC TV rights expire in 2025.
https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/23581729/espn-ufc-reach-five-year-television-rights-deal
With ESPN/Fox/WBD launching a joint sports streaming platform, WBD needs more properties or they risk being dropped. Just go to the press releases from the announcement and you'll get an idea of what WBD/TNT/TBS will be targeting to replace the NBA
https://wbd.com/espn-fox-and-warner-bros-discovery-forming-joint-venture-to-launch-streaming-sports-service-in-the-u-s/
>Offering to include NFL, NBA, WNBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR, College Sports, UFC, PGA TOUR Golf, Grand Slam Tennis, the FIFA World Cup, Cycling and Much More
Not listed: Professional Wrestling, no matter how much Boarjama and Porcinewheels squeal and deflect about it
AEW pays for their own production costs. Warner hasn't paid a thing since the initial 2019 run of aew.
Someone come fix your bot, I didn't say anything about production costs.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/cap/_/year/2024
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/tax/_/year/2024/sort/tax_total
The Bucks are currently over the luxury tax line and have the 5th highest payroll in the league. If they lose Giannis, they are going full rebuild; if they have a payroll minimum to meet, they will trade good players (with years of team control left) for overpriced/expiring contracts.
I will literally never understand what it is that compels a homosexual homosexual nerd non-sports fan to think they can somehow Google everything on the fly and win an argument against someone who has followed sports for 30+ years.
how far over the luxury tax is WBD currently? what's their cable-mandated salary minimum? how many expiring TV deals can they trade for? what's a super max deal look like in the cable league?
you are legit probably the stupidest frick on this board lmao
[Sad News] Local moronic man doesn't understand how analogies work
TV channels, radio stations and websites change format all the time. TNN used to be The Nashville Network and changed to TNN shortly after landing WWE Raw
>In 2000, Viacom sensed redundancy among its TNN and CMT properties and, catalyzed by its acquisition of the rights to World Wrestling Federation (WWF, now WWE) programming, decided to refocus TNN.[10] The network was renamed The National Network on September 25 (later The New TNN) and reformatted to compete with TNT, TBS, and USA Network by attracting viewers in the 18 to 49-year-old demographic.[13] Prior to 2000, over half of TNN's viewers were 55 years old and over. Only one-third of them were between the ages of 18 and 49, according to Nielsen Media Research
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nashville_Network
If TNT loses their most important Sports rights partner, they're not going to re-spend 100% of that NBA money on AEW and assorted properties. I don't understand why you have to sit there and be a snaggle-toothed homosexual about it, refusing to even debate, instead choosing to be a dickhead about my comparison. It's always the same homosexual act all the time, zero URLs, zero sources, you just act like a fricking shithead because you can never win any arguments
But WBD, deeply in debt and cratering stock (though they did rebound to ~$8 today), is not going to overpay for Dynamite, Rampage, Collision, PPVs + Streaming, which is the point. I think they'll be willing to pay a premium price for AEW Dynamite but sub-market for the rest, so the question is if Tony will hold out Dynamite to make 1 partner take all the TV programs.
AEW needs a monthly streaming service (back catalog + PPVs + original programming) to really grow, but they don't have a big enough paying fanbase to land a lucrative deal with MAX, Paramount+ or Amazon, and the swearing/violence (though they did mute the word shit last night) take them off Disney+
>it's like a heckin sports team with league-mandated payroll rules
i'm sure these analogies sound better in your head but they're dumber than shit lmao
Why wouldn't they lock up AEW for 5 years regardless? Without the NBA they will lose a lot of their budget but they also don't have to pay the NBA anymore. AEW is usually the most watched thing on their network outside of the NBA, why would it make sense for them to drop it? I get what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense to lose their number 1 and 2 best programs.
>Why wouldn't they lock up AEW for 5 years regardless?
Because AEW has shitty ad rates and their ratings are locked in a death spiral. Renewing AEW simply makes no sense at this point. It would be like drafting a terminal cancer patient to your sports team.
AEW isn't getting renewed lil bro
Raw and SmackDown's ratings have fallen by greater percentages than Dynamite's pretty much every negotiating period and they've gotten gigantic increases each time.
because the name is worth something not like GAYEW is.
makes sense why fox just dropped SMACK when it didn't worth for what they paid for
Because their falls have matched or outperformed the industry cable cutting.
AEW doesn't have enough the recognition of WWE nor the brand loyalty
>Because their falls have matched or outperformed the industry cable cutting.
Are AEW's drops more severe than the drop in cable? I'm guessing not because Dynamite still pretty much only loses to NBA, the NHL playoffs or some big real world news event on Wednesdays.
>AEW doesn't have enough the recognition of WWE nor the brand loyalty
That's a reason that it won't get the same level of increase as Raw or SmackDown. It's not a reason it won't get an increase at all.
Why can't I use the precedent set by the market leader to try and predict what'll happen with the secondary company?
>Why can't I use the precedent set by the market leader to try and predict what'll happen with the secondary company?
Because the gulf between AEW and WWE is so vast that they can't be compared. In just one year AEW has managed to lose about a quarter of its audience and the bleeding is only getting worse. It isn't a hot property by any stretch of the imagination.
>Because the gulf between AEW and WWE is so vast
Not really though is it? Same order of magnitude on most things, that's not a gulf.
>In just one year AEW has managed to lose about a quarter of its audience
You think WWE haven't lost a quarter of their audience in a comparatively similar timeframe? Get real
>Not really though is it?
It is.
>You think WWE haven't lost a quarter of their audience in a comparatively similar time-frame
Yes that's exactly what I think. Feel free to prove me wrong if you can.
Smackdown debuted on Fox with 3 milly
And? Did WWE lose a quarter of its audience in a year like AEW has?
It makes them comparable and any arguments to the contrary is cope
AEW lost a quarter of its audience in a year. If WWE didn't also lose a quarter of its audience in a year then their losses are quite literally incomparable.
Something taking a year vs more than a year to happen doesn't make them incomparable. You can't just introduce an arbitrary time limit to ignore what's taking place. You're just coping.
>AEW lost a quarter of its audience in a year
but that's wrong, you stupid fricking homosexual
Actually its right and the stupid homosexual is you I'm afraid. Dynamite dropped from 900k to 700k and that's about a quarter. And they're currently in the process of dropping to 600k to make matters worse.
Not in a year. Dynamite wasn't doing 900k last year.
RAW lost over 800k viewers in three weeks after Mania, lil' bro
no milly? no 8 hundy for you?
Short term peaks and valleys in the ratings are irrelevant. I'm talking about ratings performance over the period of a year. AEW lost a quarter of its audience over that time span. WWE didn't. There's no valid comparison to be made.
AEW wasn't doing 900k last year
>AEW wasn't doing 900k last year
Yes it was. AEW frequently hit 900k last year. It was their ceiling. Now their ceiling is 700k. I'm being generous and not even counting the handful of millys they got in 2023, if I did then it would paint an even grimmer picture.
https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/resources/aew-dynamite-viewership-numbers-2019/
>Are AEW's drops more severe than the drop in cable?
No, if they were AEW would've slid down the rankings but they're doing no worse than they have done historically by demo ranking.
If AEW's budget were still at 2019 levels, then getting 700k viewers in 2024 wouldn't be as much of an issue. But signing Mercedes, Ospreay and Okada alone nearly matches the 2019 budget that was LOADED with indy shitters who became mainstays. They've since given big money to Jay White, MJF, Adam Cole, Danielson, countless others, while not being able to maximize other revenue streams like video games, social media, merchandise, documentaries and so on
Tony put all his eggs in the media rights basket, but as he needs negotiating leverage the most, TV ratings are far below the 90-day average. There was not a sudden spike in cord-cutting in the last 90 days, AEW is slumping badly
It's bravado but he's wrong. A large chunk of us have been turned off Hollyweird slop and cuck/woke TV shows, there's a limited amount of content that appeals to a large audience. Families will subscribe to Disney+/services with kids content, but that's only 1 subscription for 3-5+ people. The real money is in selling cable/streaming sports packages to single men and drama/reality show garbage to single women
TNT needs NBA much more than NBA needs TNT. Live content is always a draw and the average pleb doesn't want to give their PC herpes and deal with shit-quality streams just to watch the big game or the big fight.
You say the same shit 700 times a day but this is more true than false. WWE fans tune in for WWE, tune out all else going on. WWE won't get sponsors like Lexus or Apple, college football will
Comparing AEW ratings drop to WWE is a non-starter anyway because the payroll/revenues are so different between the two. WWE for just one example, insists on giving performers custom music so they can then monetize those themes on Spotify, YouTube, etc. AEW in general LOSES MONEY on wrestler themes because Tony pays out the ass for licensed music. AEW is so mismanaged on the non-TV side, they NEED TV money. But WBD doesn't have it to give.
Do you think it was a mistake for AEW to let Cody go to WWE?
I think the AEW audience always resented the fact that Cody could go back to WWE whenever he wanted, he had a decade of history there and lots of friends. Compare that to Bucks, Hangman, all the others who never had a WWE contract let alone held multiple WWE singles/tag titles.
The AEW audience thought they could bully Cody Rhodes into turning heel -- if you don't like it go back to WWE! Ya little b***h! -- so he did just that, left AEW. I think the money was secondary and he was more insulted by the way the smarks/insiders treated him.
Your foot isn't connected to your head, and yet
The thigh bone's connected to the hip bone.
The hip bone's connected to the backbone.
The backbone's connected to the neck bone.
Doin' the skeleton dance.
Shake your hands to the left.
Shake your hands to the right.
Put your hands in the air.
Put your hands out of sight.
Shake your hands to the left.
Shake your hands to the right.
Put your hands in the air.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle,
wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle,
wiggle, wiggle...wiggle your knees.
You can be a stupid fricking homosexual like you usually are 95% of the time, it doesn't change the facts. WWE already signed their 3 new media rights deals, AEW has their ass flapping in the wind right now. If Tony didn't hire morons to manage Merchandise, Video Games, etc, then TV money wouldn't be so crucial to his bottom line.
It all makes sense if you aren't a moron or a disingenuous b***h - or in your case, a little bit of both.
Was it a mistake for Tony to let Cody go to WWE?
Oh, I thought you wanted a genuine answer, my bad.
Frick off and eat shit.
Do you think it was a mistake for Tony to leave AEW and go to WWE?
aew = no profits
Not him but with Vince frick no , Cody was going to end as a midcard
With Triple H? dude has created the ultimate babyface that rivals Hogan
Cody Is bigger than AEW
Cody going to WWE also means AEW is not perfect place that exist that give opportunity to others
>you can't compare AEW and WWE ratings drops because Tony sometimes pays for licensed music
Genuinely feels like I'm talking to ChatGPT rn
>Raw and SmackDown
Stopped reading there. This is about AEW not WWE. Try again.
Pic rel is talking about NBA so are you the moron ?
They're getting out of television.Expect them to be on a streaming platform. max is what i'm hearing
tiny say tv is important and you need to wonder how worthless aew catalog is
i can see tiny doing a stream service for roh + aew and in a crazy scenario stardom/njpw
Wrestling isn't a sport, so it would not be listed with the other sports and never has been listed with them.
The point I'm making is if WBD loses NBA, their focus with the budget is going to be properties that can air on both TNT/TBS *and* the joint sports streaming platform. AEW is programming that would only air on TNT/TBS, unlike WNBA which would draw less than AEW but is ideal for the WBD/Fox/ESPN project
Cable/Satellite packages often have [regional] sports surcharges of $5-12/mo and sports channel bundles (FS2, ESPN3, NFL, NBA, etc) cost $10-20/mo. TNT/TBS having sports allows them to be in cable packages that DON'T have the sports surcharge, which is usually the Silver-tier Cable package, where Gold has ESPN/FS1/etc, and Platinum has 1001 channels like BET Disco and Knitting en español
https://www.consumerreports.org/tv-service/cable-tv-fees/
WBD should make a huge push for AEW Dynamite, regardless of what happens when the NBA, it's the other programs that are more questionable. AEW Rampage/Collision are subpar garbage that are programmed with minimal effort. These executives aren't stupid, it's their job to understand this stuff. The ABCD storylines are on Dynamite, Collision is lucky to get a week-to-week storyline going (FTR/Garcia vs House of Black is an example). Until Tony treats Rampage and Collision as premium shows, then he can't expect WBD or anyone else to pay a premium price for them
If Smackdown is worth $280,000,000/year for 2 hours, Dynamite should fetch $100M/year. I hope Tony shops Rampage/Collision to Paramount or another property. The gap between ratings is so big, I think 80-90% of the current R/C audience would follow, and Tony treating R/C like a big deal (major feuds, #1 contender matches, celebrity appearances, etc) will get them 110-130% of their current audience.
I really don't know what happens with Streaming + PPVs. What happens if MAX wants to stream next-day TV plus catalog, but they don't want PPVs? I don't think Tony adds 4 new PPVs to the schedule to NOT do a streaming/monthly deal. Lots of moving parts
Makes sense. You seem to know what you're talking about.
They need some live TV. If TNT loses the NBA I think it makes a AEW deal much more likely. If they overpay for the NBA (which they would have to since like 8 companies are bidding on it) a suit at WB might say lets cut AEW to help pay for it. The NBA is gold and has the youngest demo in sports it's priority #1.
NBA leaving WBD is great news for AEW though
>NBA leaving WBD is great news for AEW though
I'd sooner expect WBD to be completely broken up and all of its IPs to be sold off before they would choose AEW over NBA.
Bro no it’s not?
You'd think so, but no. They don't want to explain to shareholders why they lost the rights to the NBA while giving some wrestling promotion nobody watches a raise.
If they lose the NBA they will keep AEW. Then would make them a bigger deal. They would need them.
Maybe WBD will just sell the networks in that scenario. Can't put anything past the psychos running that company right now.
That would be like your kid asking you for the new $60 video game, and you buy 4 $15 games instead. If NBA is lost, TNT will be unable to justify their carriage fees even if they re-allocate every single dollar they allotted for the NBA games package.
They will need to completely overhaul TNT/TBS if they lose the NBA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_Sports_(United_States)
NCAA Basketball March Madness, 1.5 NHL/1 MLB per week, it's not enough.
Finally, someone else gets it. NBA is a prestige brand with multiple media patners, so overspending for it makes sense. Deeply indebted WBD overspending for floundering AEW, with zero other media partners, does not make any sense.
I can see them making a big push for Dynamite (and only Dynamite), and letting AEW take their other properties everywhere, but they're not keeping 100% of AEW's properties plus mega-streaming deal for PPVs, back catalog, ROH, Stardom, New Japan, Old Japan, Rossydom, PWG, and the other 50 fricking tape libraries the smarks seem to think will add up to a $790,000,000/year for Tony Khan. It's just not happening.
now let's check how many times bill the homosexual simmons has been right
HBOMAX- AEW heard it here
Some of you have this backwards but all you need to do is to look at how Fox chased after WWE for original programming once Fox Corp was sold off to ABC. Wrestling benefited. If TNT misses out on NBA, AEW will benefit. WBD is not going to sit back and lose AEW as well.
If WBD loses NBA, this could be the one thing that finally puts David Zaslav in the hot seat with shareholders. He was hired to be a slash and burn man to bring down their debt, but if they fumble NBA under his watch, then he's finally fricked up past the point of no return
If Zaslav thinks his job is on the line, he is not going to spend big on an AEW renewal that he would have to justify to shareholders.
"More AEW" won't help with carriage fees either. Because it already doesn't help. It's not going to suddenly start helping five years in.
I wonder if Rampage and Collision just get canceled or Tiny's pride refuses to admit, so he self funds their broadcast on AEW+ on Triller
Are you me? Someone else that knows all the right terms and framing. Bravo.
I think Rampage/Collision survive because AEW needs to run a minimum 2 shows per week - House shows turned into Collision because why not, their guys needed the work and TNT needed the programming. I personally think AEW should run 3 shows per week -- Dynamite in a large arena, Collision in a 6-8k multipurpose arena, and ROH/Dark/Other in a 2-3k/Hammerstein-sized arena. But I digress.
WBD is in cost-cutting mode as you said, they're not overpaying for anything. If they lose NBA, they're going to have to take some big chances on YouTubers, TikTok personalities, or some other folks who can make shows/content for lower than typical L.A./N.Y. [[[productions]]] would cost. The new sitcom from Tina Fey or someone is not going to move the needle, PewDiePie, Mr Beast, etc, might.
>AEW needs to run a minimum 2 shows per week
They don't *need* to fun 2 shows per week. They only have two shows, so their gigantic roster is justified with more bookings.
It's time to rip the band aid off and trim the fat, cut the roster down significantly. Swallow your pride and release the pouty ex wwe guys. They're not going to move the needle for WWE and will get lowballed by Endeavor.
Restructure the contracts and offer more TNA style pay per appearance deals. A lot of guys will probably balk and walk. Let em.
If there were more free agents, there might be a chance for another indie boom.
I should have been more specific -- they need at least 2 events per week to get their guys work, even if they drop down to only 3 hours of weekly TV. I agree they need to cut the roster down to size, but even if/when they do that, if you can't wrestle 1 match per week, you don't belong on the AEW roster.
The rest of your post is spot on - when WWE mass released talent, AEW scooped up a whole load of them. The round with Nemeth, Mustafa Ali, etc, it looks like Tony learned his lesson. This latest round with GYV, Von Wagner, Jinder, etc, I don't see how you sign Xia Li but not Nic Nemeth, wouldn't make sense.
Tony has already proven that, from a money/security context, he's a G and will pay you out even if you're stuck at home. But it's time to cut down on the at-home crowd and only sign people that you NEED to show up regularly and do work. No more Butcher/Blade, Lance Archer, Private Party, Kip/Penelope, these guys have to go. If nothing else it will send a message to the other roster members who would rather sit at home than take indy bookings, like they're some how too good to work bingo halls even when AEW/ROH has nothing for them (looking at you Aaron Solo, Abadon, etc, you know who you are).
AEW
IS
DEAD
They lose WBD, it's TNA all over again. Going from shit channel to even more shit channel until they have zero presence left in the world of wrestling.
No NBA means they're more likely to keep AEW
>Warner has 1.5 billion per year they now aren't going to spend on the NBA
>Warner needs content more than ever without the NBA.
>This is somehow bad for AEW.
Huh?
That doesn't mean anything. WBD will pay as little as Tony Khan would accept. They aren't going to give AEW more money just because they don't have the NBA. Do you think Tony is going to be a great negotiator, or is he going to be an Autistic weirdo who just wants to get to the part where he can hug the WBD executives?
I'm saying the premise of "WBD won't have any money to pay AEW" is faulty because...they have 1.5 billion dollars a year that they can now spend elsewhere.
I doubt it. They still have MLB, NHL and NCAA basketball, don't they?
MLB makes most of it's money from regional sports deals/TV packages - and the marquee game is Sunday Night Baseball, not the Tuesday night game. Their NHL package is about 2 games per week, but NHL isn't a draw. They have NCAA during March Madness, and that's it. 1 month of NCAA does not justify 12 months of a high carriage fee.
Why are you asking questions instead of making statements? Just state your argument and your opinion.
I've said it before in other threads: the people with access to the per-second subscriber information (Comcast) decided it was a GOOD idea to give a massive raise to Smackdown to return to USA. Comcast doesn't do that if they don't strongly believe a large number of subscribers wouldn't cancel Cable, outright, if WWE was available on network/streaming only
Overnight ratings are only one piece of the puzzle, as are external metrics (YouTube views, etc). Most important (and proprietary) are the internal metrics: DVR use, Cable+Internet(+Phone) package movement, Video on demand, Live TV via the Comcast App - and more to the point here, HOW MUCH time the average WWE Raw/Smackdown/NXT viewer spends outside of wrestling content. Back when I had cable, I hardly watched TV outside of wrestling/football, and football was on network TV (Fox/CBS/NBC). You know who also knew that info? Comcast executives
With 5G internet ramping up in large metro areas, people are more likely to cut not just Cable but Internet as well, so Comcast/NBCU has to be particularly careful with how many properties they allow to go to Streaming or Network TV. They are the largest benefactor of a leveled and varied playing field. NFL on ESPN still benefits Comcast, Raw on Netflix is a cause for concern
Possible but I saw Shingles and other old people ads during Dynamite last night, and demo is shrinking faster than overall audience. AEW's keeping their boomers and boomers ain't so good at using Streaming platforms
You realize regional sports channels are dying right?
>they have 1.5 billion dollars a year that they can now spend elsewhere.
They'll spend it on the WNBA or another sports (UFC is up for renewal in 2026) before pro wrestling.
Hey moron you know cable operators are going to drop TNT/TBS right?
>cable operators are going to drop TNT/TBS
>source: the voices in your fat head
every year we go through this and every year drones once again prove they are absolutely fricking moronic
How's that MAX deal looking?
So I know the focus is on how bad it is for WBD to lose the NBA, but why the frick is NBC spending 2.5 billion a year on the third-tier package? Is there any way for them to actually make their money back on that?
It doesn’t make any fricking sense
They bundle everything together, NBC+USA+NBCSN+etc, so cable/satellite providers have to pay for everything in one shot. The WBD package is hurting right now because the Discovery side has 0 sports and Warner Brothers could lose NBA coverage. Unlike NBC/Universal, WBD doesn't have a broadcast channel (ABC-Disney, CBS-Paramount, FOX are the other bigs) and they only own a sliver of the CW.
I disagree with your tone and verbiage, but this is more true than false. WWE has a track record of bringing the fanbase with them. TNN/Spike/Paramount has been declining since they replaced WWE with TNA and later let TNA expire. Unless/until AEW is strong enough rating-wise to be a lead-in for something other than movies/re-runs, it doesn't justify paying WWE-tier money or anywhere close.
>People are cutting cable
>But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong!
>People are getting more obese
>But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong!
>Cable operators are going to drop TNT/TBS
>But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong!
How the frick do you still not get this, have you even read through the thread so far? TV is not like your local office supply store, with that moron "have to spend the budget so they don't cut it next year!" trope. There is nothing WBD can replace NBA with that will keep their carriage fees what they are now. They lose NBA, that budget allocation will be reclaimed by WBD. There's not suddenly 1,500,000,000 smackarinos to go on a shopping spree.
Your effort is truly appreciated but will fall on deaf ears because 98% of the people on this website are full-blown morons.
>People are cutting cable
>But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong!
>People are getting more obese
>But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong!
>Cable operators are going to drop TNT/TBS
>But it's not 100% of people, so your statement is wrong!
this doesn't address anything I said you fricking schizo
Yes it does you fricking moronic b***h. You need to learn when to shut the frick up when you clearly don't know what the frick you're talking about.
https://www.spectrum.com/cable-tv/plans
https://www.spectrum.com/cable-tv/channel-lineup
Go to the website and look around, you fricking prick. Look at the $40 package then look at the $65/75 packages. TNT/TBS is usually carried in Cable/Satellite providers' LOWEST tier cable package, the one WITHOUT MTV2, Cartoon Network and other more niche channels.
https://www.sling.com/ --- TNT/TBS are currently in both Orange and Blue plans. If they lose NBA and WBD decides to slash other content, they could end up being Orange-only or Blue-only.
Do you need more examples? Do you even deserve more examples? Stupid fricking b***h. All you do is talk shit and provide 0 receipts.
Clairvoyant Bill strikes again
Impressive schizoposting in here to be honest. Didn’t know we had a tv deal schizo like this on the board
>Even if they resign
dronies already pre-coping for when WBD reups their deal with AEW kek
Why are people pretending networks care about WWE because of wrestling and not WWE itself?
Seriously WBD bet on GAYEW and that shit didn't pay off and is not going to worth the increment on price Tiny is asking
i kinda understand why Zaslav say he doesn't need the NBA
HBO MAX as a project it seem as a failure by him , he only want to sell pieces of WB products to other companies
Bet he didn't kill the service because it was bigger than him at that time and its no wonder why they merger it with discovery
not to be a c**t but smack has been on a steady 2 milly and RAM with 1.7 mill
FOX dropped it because the people that watch don't buy their products in the ads they only CONSOOM WWE
I can't wait for this shit fed to die, literally one of the only things I have to look forward to in my life.
How can they NOT be out? Amazon has put in a fricking insane offer that ensures that the NBA will be overvalued for the next 3 years.
Tony has wasted o much money above the budget its insane
he is expecting a big increase that doesn't exist for him
I really don't get why live sporting events not called the NFL are at the prestige level they are. NBA gets 1 milly for regular season games. I'm sure the boomers watching Big Bang stick around for the commercials more than people watching a live sporting event.
If the NBA is getting 70 billion over 11 years, as i'm seeing reported, does that make the NFL worth almost 1 trilly over the same time? How much of an advertising budget does Draft Kings and the fat lady dancing about diabetes have?
Feels like tv execs are a bunch of Tony money marks when they're giving Tom Brady etc. 30 million to do commentary in a sport where nobody gives a shit who's announcing. It's like these execs hand out this money cause they want to play golf with athletes above all else.
NBA might only get a milly but it's get so much in advertising and carriage fee revenue.
NBA gets 1.5-2.5 milly for random regular season games and sometimes 10+ milly for playoffs. It also has insane social media numbers and engagement from the most coveted demo.
>NBA gets 1.5-2.5 milly for random regular season games
I was thinking of the games I see posted when someone posts the AEW ratings. Weekday games seem like they're 700k-1.2M, but you're probably right about them hitting 2M on weekends.
Just looking at the wiki finals ratings, Late 2000teens looks like they were 15-20 milly, with some bigger game 7 pops, now it's 10-12 milly. And I'd imagine that goes down with no Steph or Lebron.
oh no
Kenny will have to go back to Japan to groom young girls then.