LeBron didn't win until Kobe got a career injury, he formed a super team in Miami, and The league got soft, and no defense was played, you can take four steps without traveling, etc.
Kobe was never in consideration for a top 3 player in the NBA so it's not relevant. He simply had prime Shaq for the first half of his career, won nothing in 2006-2007, before getting Phil Jackson, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol, which is fricking stacked
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
lol. Lmao even. Kobe is top 5 of all time. Keep seething leaf homosexual.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Kobe is top 5 all time
Not even a top 5 laker (Magic, Shaq, Kareem, West, Baylor) were all better players
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
See
Jordan,Kobe,Kareem,Magic,Bird, then the rest. And I don't even feel comfortable putting LeBron over Russel,Wilt, Hakeem, or even Duncan that owned LeBron in the playoffs. No one that is known more for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list.
3 weeks ago
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Jordan,Kobe,Kareem,Magic,Bird, then the rest. And I don't even feel comfortable putting LeBron over Russel,Wilt, Hakeem, or even Duncan that owned LeBron in the playoffs. No one that is known more for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
How can the Rapist be top 5 all time when he's not even top 5 in the best players to play on his own franchise?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He was proven to be innocent
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not guilty doesn't mean "innocent"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Kobe was never in consideration for a top 3 player
Kobe is almost always put at number two of all time behind Jordan by actual NBA players. Actual NBA players that played with Kobe and LeBron always rank Kobe above LeBron. Only Lemedia, clutch sports and all the other stat nerd dick riders, say LeBron is the goat. I rather listen to actual NBA players then Zoomers or paid media gayots.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Kobe is top 5 all time
Not even a top 5 laker (Magic, Shaq, Kareem, West, Baylor) were all better players
MY PERSONAL TOP TEN
1. Kareem
2. Jordan
3. LeBron
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Bird
7. Wilt
8. Russell
9. Hakeem
10. Curry
No player that is known for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list.
4-6 in the finals. Has the record for most games lost in the finals in NBA history. While playing most of his career in the weak East and with super team after superteam. Also getting swept in the finals TWICE! And almost 2 more sweeps with two 1-4 finals loses lol.
And as far as mastering the game of basketball, LeBron has never been in the top 10 of most skilled players in the league in any year that he's been considered the best player in the league. His skill set is limited compared to many other greats. I can go on and on. No player with that many faults should be sniffing the top five. And stats without context are meaningless.
Also Lebron got back to back bronze medals leading teams full of NBA superstars, and didn't win gold until Kobe came and gifted him the gold.
LeBron has no bag, no ISO game, no post up, always needs a screen to do anything. All he has done is stat pad for 20 years, I'm probably has been juicing it up with PED's.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No player that is known for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list.
you watch too much daytime sports tv debate shows that are designed to thrill morons
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This might be the dumbest comment I have ever read on Fhite. homie stop watching undisputed.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What is wrong that was said? Everything said is true.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It goes
1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Michael Jordan
6. Lebron James
7. Julius Erving
8. Magic Johnson
9. Larry Bird
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Tim Duncan
12. Moses Malone
13. Shaquille O'Neal
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Kobe Bryant
16. Stephen Curry
17. Allen Iverson
18. Isiah Thomas
19. Jerry West
20. Karl Malone
21. Dirk Nowitzki
22. Bill Walton
23. George Mikan
24. John Stockton
25. Kevin Garnett
26. Scottie Pippen
27. David Robinson
28. Charles Barkley
29. John Havlicek
30. Bob Pettit
MJ never had to carry a shitty team like le brown stains in believeland. i hate him as well, but any basketball enjoyer, that isnt a redditor at least, will say he's better.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I will always remember young LeBron dragging that Zydrunas gang into the finals.
Wilt is better than Jordan since he had to compete with Bill Russell, arguably Russel is the GOAT too since he had to face Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain every postseason for a decade and still ended up winning every year
Jokic won’t even be top 25 of all time by the end of his career. How the frick could you compare him to the number one player of all time?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
he already is top 25 of all time
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
he already is top 25 of all time
He's already top 10
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
he already is top 25 of all time
In what world?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
planet moron
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Saying Joker could be the GOAT is a stretch but he will definitely be a top 3 center even possibly #1 when he's done
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Joker on this trajectory has a floor of top 20 all time. His ceiling is top 8
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's already top 10, he just needs 6 rings to beat goat
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If Jokic gets 6 rings, he will be the GOAT. It will never happen though. Players in today’s game are too quick to jump ship for $$ rather than trying to stay and win (see Bruce brown). Not faulting them for it but it’s the way it is. good luck getting a core to stay together for 6 years
Bird was better than Jordan, they played against each other and Bird always won. Jordan got swept twice by Bird in the playoffs, Jordan never won a playoff game against bird.
I'm old. I grew up in NC. Was a UNC fan. Followed Jordan throughout his entire career. As a White guy I naturally loved White player so I loved Larry Bird. In 1984 I was stationed in South Korea. I had to live in a dorm with 200 morons. Anyway during the playoffs we were in the dayroom watching. It was full of blacks and me. I was rooting for Boston and Bird against Magic and LA. The blacks were anti Bird. I commented that they hated bird because he was a White guy who was better than most blacks. Lawd have mercy. They blacks lost their mind. They went and got other blacks out of their dorm rooms to come fight me. I stood my ground. None of them would fight me.
When I left Korea to go back to the US one of main black agitators yelled at me saying he respected me for standing up for what I believed and he begrudgingly said Bird was a great.
I don't know who I love more MJ or Bird. I have watched 10000 videos on YT of Bird just embarrassing people and I saw MJ carry the Bulls to 6 titles so I guess I'm torn on who I like the best.
>I commented that they hated bird because he was a White guy who was better than most blacks
fricking kek, I don't get why blacks get upset about this shit. Of course it's true, and what's more, there's no shame in admitting it. I'd respect them more if they would just admit this stuff.
you only get to take credit for championships if you won them as the star player/bus driver yourself. The day someone does that 7 times is the day Jordan is dethroned and not a second before then. Russels 8 team plumber rings don’t count and Lebron owes at least 1 ring to kyrie and 1 to ray.
>Celtics don't count
Why shouldn't they count homosexual? >1960 Finals - Taken to Game 7 by the Atlanta Hawks >1962 ECF - Taken to Game 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (won by 2 points) >1962 Finals - Taken to Game 7 by Jerry West and Elgin Baylor (won by 2 points) >1963 ECF - Taken to Game 7 by Oscar Robertson >1964 Finals - Beats Wilt Chamberlain in 5 games in the Finals >1965 ECF - Taken to Game 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (Won by a game winner) >1966 Finals - Taken to Game 7 by Jerry West and Elgin Baylor (Won by 2 Points) >1967 ECF - Blown off the Court by Wilt Chamberlain in 5 games and lost by nearly 15 points each game >1968 ECF - Taken to Game 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (Won by 4 points) >1969 Finals - Taken to Game 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (Won by 2 points)
LeBron is too much of a spoiled, arrogant frick to put up with good coaching. Part of the reason guys like MJ were great is that, even when they knew they were hot shit, they let themselves be coached in the name of winning. Duncan was this way, Bird and Magic were this way, hell, Kobe was arrogant as frick but even HE let Phil coach him up. Curry is this way too.
But LeBron has run off half a dozen coaches at this point purely because he can't stand to have someone tell him what to do. He would have run off Spo in Miami if Pat Riley weren't around to run a tight ship there. He has run off numerous coaches that could probably have gotten him to more rings, because HE has to be the man, and HE has to be the one in charge, because he thinks he's the most important thing in the universe.
He would have fired him. If he had the same team, he would trade them. There is not a single excuse you can use to discredit Jordan and praise LeBitch. The guy was a cancer who tried to take shortcuts to rings and he failed. If he checked his ego, he could have been able to surpass Jordan, but his fragile ego is all he has.
It’s possible when you consider Kobe went toe to toe with Mike several times and held his own. Also when you look at his actual 1 on 1 stats vs Lebron he fricking smoked him.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Kobe shot 54% and had 74 points per play when guarded by Lebron.. Lebron shot 27% and had 54 points per play when guarded by Kobe..
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
74 points per play is very impressive
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Trying to discredit Kobe absolutely owning LeBron when they went 1v1 versus each other, with some mistype response lol.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're trying too hard. i was just laughing at a funny post, not engaging in your low iq argument about two guys that played two different positions who were at totally different points of their careers
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Rating the no talent rapist Kobe that high when he was carried by Shaq and never in contention for top 5 in the NBA his entire career
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If it wasn't for Kobe Shaq would have 1 or 2 rings at most. The real championship was won in the West. And during this wars with the Spurs, Kings, Blazers, etc, Kobe was The one that was bailing out the Lakers with his heroics in the fourth quarters. Shaq was usually in the bench because he fouled out or bricking free throws because of the Hack-A-Shaq strat. Once I got to the finals of course Shaq dominated the weaker East teams that had no centers to contain Shaq. Without Kobe, Shaq doesn't get to the finals at all.
Shaq played with prime Penny hardaway, LeBron, a stacked Celtics team, Nash and stoudemire and Wade. And he was only able to win it without Kobe when he deferred to Wade and also had a highly stacked Miami team with several All Stars.
Kobe won, 2 back to back championships with no other top 75 player. In the toughest conference ever in NBA history and eliminated the most 50 win teams of any player in NBA history in those runs.
They both don't win the three-pete without each other. Only unknowledgeable and casual fans think that it was all shaq.
Even Shaq says Kobe is the number two player of all time. Fricken zoomer ass NBA fans lol.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Zoomers are the only ones dumb enough to think that rapist is good
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>deferred to Wade and also had a highly stacked Miami team with several All Stars.
Lol wut. Miami won absolutely nothing as a franchise before Shaw got there. DWade was carried by Shaw and the refs whistles to a ring.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shaq
Wade
Antoine Walker
James Posey
Alonzo Mourning
Jason Williams
Udonis Haslem
That is a stacked team, offensively and defensively. And if you don't think so you're a dumbass casual.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shaw in his prime with >a literal child and ref babby >geriatric >"All Star" >in a nursing home >le white boy meme >professional bench rider
LMAOing at your life
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nobody cares about the dirty work, they only care about the highlights. Kobe taking over games when shaq was fouled etc. is one of the most hidden in plain sight factors of the first threepeat. imo shaq literally gets none of those rings without Kobe.
Jordan couldn't win without Scottie
Watch game 6 sometime
LeBum couldn't win without Draymond and Ray Allen.
jordan couldn't win while Magic and Bird were still relevant. it took an AIDS-ridden magic johnson(giggity) for MJ to win, lmao.
LeBron didn't win until Kobe got a career injury, he formed a super team in Miami, and The league got soft, and no defense was played, you can take four steps without traveling, etc.
*career ending injury
Kobe was never in consideration for a top 3 player in the NBA so it's not relevant. He simply had prime Shaq for the first half of his career, won nothing in 2006-2007, before getting Phil Jackson, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol, which is fricking stacked
lol. Lmao even. Kobe is top 5 of all time. Keep seething leaf homosexual.
>Kobe is top 5 all time
Not even a top 5 laker (Magic, Shaq, Kareem, West, Baylor) were all better players
See
Jordan,Kobe,Kareem,Magic,Bird, then the rest. And I don't even feel comfortable putting LeBron over Russel,Wilt, Hakeem, or even Duncan that owned LeBron in the playoffs. No one that is known more for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list.
How can the Rapist be top 5 all time when he's not even top 5 in the best players to play on his own franchise?
He was proven to be innocent
Not guilty doesn't mean "innocent"
>Kobe was never in consideration for a top 3 player
Kobe is almost always put at number two of all time behind Jordan by actual NBA players. Actual NBA players that played with Kobe and LeBron always rank Kobe above LeBron. Only Lemedia, clutch sports and all the other stat nerd dick riders, say LeBron is the goat. I rather listen to actual NBA players then Zoomers or paid media gayots.
No player that is known for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list.
4-6 in the finals. Has the record for most games lost in the finals in NBA history. While playing most of his career in the weak East and with super team after superteam. Also getting swept in the finals TWICE! And almost 2 more sweeps with two 1-4 finals loses lol.
And as far as mastering the game of basketball, LeBron has never been in the top 10 of most skilled players in the league in any year that he's been considered the best player in the league. His skill set is limited compared to many other greats. I can go on and on. No player with that many faults should be sniffing the top five. And stats without context are meaningless.
Also Lebron got back to back bronze medals leading teams full of NBA superstars, and didn't win gold until Kobe came and gifted him the gold.
LeBron has no bag, no ISO game, no post up, always needs a screen to do anything. All he has done is stat pad for 20 years, I'm probably has been juicing it up with PED's.
>No player that is known for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list.
you watch too much daytime sports tv debate shows that are designed to thrill morons
This might be the dumbest comment I have ever read on Fhite. homie stop watching undisputed.
What is wrong that was said? Everything said is true.
It goes
1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Michael Jordan
6. Lebron James
7. Julius Erving
8. Magic Johnson
9. Larry Bird
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Tim Duncan
12. Moses Malone
13. Shaquille O'Neal
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Kobe Bryant
16. Stephen Curry
17. Allen Iverson
18. Isiah Thomas
19. Jerry West
20. Karl Malone
21. Dirk Nowitzki
22. Bill Walton
23. George Mikan
24. John Stockton
25. Kevin Garnett
26. Scottie Pippen
27. David Robinson
28. Charles Barkley
29. John Havlicek
30. Bob Pettit
MJ never had to carry a shitty team like le brown stains in believeland. i hate him as well, but any basketball enjoyer, that isnt a redditor at least, will say he's better.
I will always remember young LeBron dragging that Zydrunas gang into the finals.
Ray Allen literally saved LeBrons career in Miami lol
That's how team sports work.
idiot
Wilt is better than Jordan since he had to compete with Bill Russell, arguably Russel is the GOAT too since he had to face Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain every postseason for a decade and still ended up winning every year
There are lots of people you could argue are better than Jordan
Lebum isn't one of them
Agree
will Joker surpass Jordan?
Lol. Lmao even. He’s fat and he smokes and drinks. He won’t have one third of the career MJ had.
none of that matters. only thing that matters is winning
Jokic won’t even be top 25 of all time by the end of his career. How the frick could you compare him to the number one player of all time?
he already is top 25 of all time
He's already top 10
In what world?
planet moron
Saying Joker could be the GOAT is a stretch but he will definitely be a top 3 center even possibly #1 when he's done
Joker on this trajectory has a floor of top 20 all time. His ceiling is top 8
He's already top 10, he just needs 6 rings to beat goat
If Jokic gets 6 rings, he will be the GOAT. It will never happen though. Players in today’s game are too quick to jump ship for $$ rather than trying to stay and win (see Bruce brown). Not faulting them for it but it’s the way it is. good luck getting a core to stay together for 6 years
If the Nuggets defeat the Celtics I will start taking hormones and turn into a troony (I say that because there's zero chances of it happening)
You better order your HRT now bro.
Z-E-R-O chances, this Celtics is an all time great team. Unless Porzingis get injured or something.
Bird was better than Jordan, they played against each other and Bird always won. Jordan got swept twice by Bird in the playoffs, Jordan never won a playoff game against bird.
I'm old. I grew up in NC. Was a UNC fan. Followed Jordan throughout his entire career. As a White guy I naturally loved White player so I loved Larry Bird. In 1984 I was stationed in South Korea. I had to live in a dorm with 200 morons. Anyway during the playoffs we were in the dayroom watching. It was full of blacks and me. I was rooting for Boston and Bird against Magic and LA. The blacks were anti Bird. I commented that they hated bird because he was a White guy who was better than most blacks. Lawd have mercy. They blacks lost their mind. They went and got other blacks out of their dorm rooms to come fight me. I stood my ground. None of them would fight me.
When I left Korea to go back to the US one of main black agitators yelled at me saying he respected me for standing up for what I believed and he begrudgingly said Bird was a great.
I don't know who I love more MJ or Bird. I have watched 10000 videos on YT of Bird just embarrassing people and I saw MJ carry the Bulls to 6 titles so I guess I'm torn on who I like the best.
based boomer
>I commented that they hated bird because he was a White guy who was better than most blacks
fricking kek, I don't get why blacks get upset about this shit. Of course it's true, and what's more, there's no shame in admitting it. I'd respect them more if they would just admit this stuff.
thank you my friend.
oh to be 20 again and not have to worry about doxxing or worse when you say something the mob doesn't like aka the truth. man i want to go back
Jordan played against taxi drivers and school teachers. He wouldn’t even be top 10 today.
you only get to take credit for championships if you won them as the star player/bus driver yourself. The day someone does that 7 times is the day Jordan is dethroned and not a second before then. Russels 8 team plumber rings don’t count and Lebron owes at least 1 ring to kyrie and 1 to ray.
>owes at least 1 ring to kyrie
>Celtics don't count
Why shouldn't they count homosexual?
>1960 Finals - Taken to Game 7 by the Atlanta Hawks
>1962 ECF - Taken to Game 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (won by 2 points)
>1962 Finals - Taken to Game 7 by Jerry West and Elgin Baylor (won by 2 points)
>1963 ECF - Taken to Game 7 by Oscar Robertson
>1964 Finals - Beats Wilt Chamberlain in 5 games in the Finals
>1965 ECF - Taken to Game 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (Won by a game winner)
>1966 Finals - Taken to Game 7 by Jerry West and Elgin Baylor (Won by 2 Points)
>1967 ECF - Blown off the Court by Wilt Chamberlain in 5 games and lost by nearly 15 points each game
>1968 ECF - Taken to Game 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (Won by 4 points)
>1969 Finals - Taken to Game 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (Won by 2 points)
by that standard, you have to attribute one of Jordan's to paxson
People fail to realize just how impressive what Jordan did was. GSW could have done if KD didn't go full moron.
....if lebron had phil jackson then we would have a different discussion. he had one competent coach in 21 years
LeBron is too much of a spoiled, arrogant frick to put up with good coaching. Part of the reason guys like MJ were great is that, even when they knew they were hot shit, they let themselves be coached in the name of winning. Duncan was this way, Bird and Magic were this way, hell, Kobe was arrogant as frick but even HE let Phil coach him up. Curry is this way too.
But LeBron has run off half a dozen coaches at this point purely because he can't stand to have someone tell him what to do. He would have run off Spo in Miami if Pat Riley weren't around to run a tight ship there. He has run off numerous coaches that could probably have gotten him to more rings, because HE has to be the man, and HE has to be the one in charge, because he thinks he's the most important thing in the universe.
I think it's because he grew up without a father.
>....if lebron had phil jackson then we would have a different discussion.
he would have had phil jackson fired cuz he is a narcissist
He would have fired him. If he had the same team, he would trade them. There is not a single excuse you can use to discredit Jordan and praise LeBitch. The guy was a cancer who tried to take shortcuts to rings and he failed. If he checked his ego, he could have been able to surpass Jordan, but his fragile ego is all he has.
MY PERSONAL TOP TEN
1. Kareem
2. Jordan
3. LeBron
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Bird
7. Wilt
8. Russell
9. Hakeem
10. Curry
Horrible. You missed Kobe and have lebron too high.
The real top 10 starts with Jordan and Magic with a massive power gap after them before you get to #3.
Nah. Kobe is a close 3rd.
It’s possible when you consider Kobe went toe to toe with Mike several times and held his own. Also when you look at his actual 1 on 1 stats vs Lebron he fricking smoked him.
Kobe shot 54% and had 74 points per play when guarded by Lebron.. Lebron shot 27% and had 54 points per play when guarded by Kobe..
74 points per play is very impressive
Trying to discredit Kobe absolutely owning LeBron when they went 1v1 versus each other, with some mistype response lol.
you're trying too hard. i was just laughing at a funny post, not engaging in your low iq argument about two guys that played two different positions who were at totally different points of their careers
>Rating the no talent rapist Kobe that high when he was carried by Shaq and never in contention for top 5 in the NBA his entire career
If it wasn't for Kobe Shaq would have 1 or 2 rings at most. The real championship was won in the West. And during this wars with the Spurs, Kings, Blazers, etc, Kobe was The one that was bailing out the Lakers with his heroics in the fourth quarters. Shaq was usually in the bench because he fouled out or bricking free throws because of the Hack-A-Shaq strat. Once I got to the finals of course Shaq dominated the weaker East teams that had no centers to contain Shaq. Without Kobe, Shaq doesn't get to the finals at all.
Shaq played with prime Penny hardaway, LeBron, a stacked Celtics team, Nash and stoudemire and Wade. And he was only able to win it without Kobe when he deferred to Wade and also had a highly stacked Miami team with several All Stars.
Kobe won, 2 back to back championships with no other top 75 player. In the toughest conference ever in NBA history and eliminated the most 50 win teams of any player in NBA history in those runs.
They both don't win the three-pete without each other. Only unknowledgeable and casual fans think that it was all shaq.
Even Shaq says Kobe is the number two player of all time. Fricken zoomer ass NBA fans lol.
Zoomers are the only ones dumb enough to think that rapist is good
>deferred to Wade and also had a highly stacked Miami team with several All Stars.
Lol wut. Miami won absolutely nothing as a franchise before Shaw got there. DWade was carried by Shaw and the refs whistles to a ring.
Shaq
Wade
Antoine Walker
James Posey
Alonzo Mourning
Jason Williams
Udonis Haslem
That is a stacked team, offensively and defensively. And if you don't think so you're a dumbass casual.
Shaw in his prime with
>a literal child and ref babby
>geriatric
>"All Star"
>in a nursing home
>le white boy meme
>professional bench rider
LMAOing at your life
Nobody cares about the dirty work, they only care about the highlights. Kobe taking over games when shaq was fouled etc. is one of the most hidden in plain sight factors of the first threepeat. imo shaq literally gets none of those rings without Kobe.
fouled out*
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What isnt true? What part of it.
>*extremely Fhite contrarian face*
>*pushing up glasses with a single finger as I smirk*
>Why no, I don't believe Jordan is the GOAT
it was never even a discussion. LeFraud is nowhere near Jordan's level
It's not Lebron doesn't still have time. He's shown good potential so far in his career
*not like
I don't get the point of pretending Jordan isn't the GOAT. _IF_ lebron is the greatest player that's for future people to decide. Not you.
look man, Lebron ritual sacrificed Kobe to Moloch so he could be the goat. it's only fair man
LeBron was never really considered even 50% of the player Jordan was. Zoomers you can't have a trophy just for showing up
>celebrates the exposure of one fraud so he can dickride another fraud
being pozzed in the head is no joke
>everyone popular is a fraud
cool opinion schizo
Do people really rank kobe over lebron lol?
Iegacy aside lebron is clearly the better basketball player over jordan
>Iegacy aside lebron is clearly the better basketball player over jordan
you must be 14 y/o
You're forgetting someone Jordancell