Pick ONE. And tell me, WHY?

>Judo shodan
You say that like it means anything to me. May as well be saying "huurrrr durrr iam a tarded homosexual that shelled out thousands for obsolete instruction."
All your arguments to the contrary are literally laughably lacking logic.

Osoto Gari, Osoto Otoshi and Osoto Guruma are not the same movement believe or not. While they accomplish similar things, they put the Tori in different positions that can be either advantageous or detrimental to them.

Are you a rhesus macaque? Are you being forced to write moronic things? Has some evil doctor strapped you to chair? Are they feeding you plantain chips if you answer people on Fhite in the most moronic and negative way possible? Will they splash cold water if you answer with even a hint of intellect or positivity?

While technical distinctions are important in martial arts, an excessive focus on them is counterproductive, especially in a combat or self-defense scenario. You prioritize theoretical knowledge over practical applicability. Such rigid categorization can makes judo unnecessarily complex. This hinders the growth of the sport and its cross-disciplinary appeal. In combat, the effectiveness of a technique is determined by its practicality and adaptability rather than its adherence to traditional classifications. The insistence on strict technical categorization does not align with the evolving nature of martial arts, where new styles and hybrids are constantly emerging. You disregard the perspective of practitioners from other martial arts backgrounds who might have different approaches to similar techniques. This lack of acknowledgment of diverse perspectives can leads to a narrow, methodical, visionless view of martial arts as a whole. While technical distinctions have their place, your argument overemphasizes them at the expense of practicality, adaptability, and inclusiveness in martial arts. The essence of martial arts lies in its application and adaptability, and not solely in its theoretical categorizations. You literally paid for shitty outdated instruction. You know procedure when you should aspire for insight. At this point, I feel sad for you because, you're never going to reach your potential. Does your thought process while in randori reflect the inflexible and moronic understanding you've employed against me?

You need to learn brevity techniques for writing.

You're whole post is just an esoteric rambling about how traditional Judo doesn't fall in piece with modern martial "evolving" martial arts. What does that even mean? Evolving? The evolving nature? Evolving into what? "New styles are constantly emerging." You mean like Keysi? MMA? What are you even talking about?

Judo teaches you how to reap a leg, it teaches you how to plant your leg in between Uki's legs, it teaches how to wheel Uki over your leg. What's the problem?

>While technical distinctions are important in martial arts, an excessive focus on them is counterproductive
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What's the "excessive focus"? They're all different techniques through-and-through and learning them is not a negative and focusing on learning them isn't a negative either. Novelty contributes heavily to adaptation, we learn by solving problems in different ways. Not by doing the same solution to the problem.

>You disregard the perspective of practitioners from other martial arts backgrounds who might have different approaches to similar techniques. This lack of acknowledgment of diverse perspectives can leads to a narrow, methodical, visionless view of martial arts as a whole

What the frick are you even talking about. You're all over the place, is that your idea of evolution? Just to be all over the fricking walls in terms of subject and specificity? Is that how you should see "evolved" martial arts? Just everything everywhere all the time?

Here's the real tl;dr for your shitpost:
>I've never done Judo, I suck at techniques and I'm apathetic to learn how to do them so I'll just do MMA because it's easier.

>when I spoke as plainly as possible
If you "spoke as plainly as possible" why did you have to write a tl;dr for your post?

>evolving nature of martial arts

>complete moron drops his ChatGPT blogpost because he’s embarrassed about not knowing the differences between O Soto variations

Dude, you just suck at Judo. Fricking cry about it.

Unironic, unadulterated, 100% Grass-Fed, babyrage.

I don’t understand why someone would come here to boast about their lack of knowledge. Sort of a self own.
>no bro listen they’re totally the same
Try applying the forward and downwards kuzushi while attempting to throw osoto gari. You will be immediately countered by the opponents own osoto gari because you failed to put their weight into the leg you intended to reap. That’s why they’re different. Your willful moronation can’t change body mechanics.

Better question for this thread.

Which GRIP? And WHY?

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Georgian grip is best grip. Prove me wrong.
>pro tip: you cant

Skill issue

I fight with a georgian grip all the time and never had an arm injury or anything close. I'm more worried about getting suplexed if the other guy is strong.

By planting he means hooking the other guy's leg right? For self defense moves Otoshi is probably the best.

Lmfao, no judoka talk about using the right tool for the job when your kuzushi options are limited? Are you out of your fricking mind?
>reeks of no fights
I have plenty of medals to my name
>This isn't a conversation that happens in real life because no one who really fights is this annoyingly gaygishly anal.
My club has two fifth dans, a fourth Dan and a no bullshit actual fricking Olympian. Even if I didn’t even first and second dans could easily tell you why you need to use osoto otoshi and osoto gari in different situations. I don’t understand what drives you to pretend so hard like you know what you’re talking about when you clearly don’t.
>you sound super butthurt
About what? The majority of this thread is other anons telling you you’re a moron. Are you the bjj purple from earlier now really mad that people who can actually do stand up grappling are telling you your initial assessment is wrong? If so get over yourself and take some judo classes since you clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

1 core movement with 3 variations insufficiently different to warrant calling it 3 seperate moves. Good example of TMA bullshido. moronic shit like this is why rubes accept that belts take years when in reality so much of these homosexuals instruction is specifically designed to draw shit out in convuluted ways, to justify charging you as much as they like for as long as they like.

t. Larpers
You know if you actually learned stand up grappling you wouldn’t embarrass yourselves like this in front of people who actually fight

>judo is bullshido
Lmao, what’s a real martial art?

What is the argument in this thread about? Why Judo teaching a multitude of throws is bad thing?

Autists don’t understand that just because techniques look similar that they’re not the same thing. This enrages them because they don’t know how to fight.

It's one technique with multiple variations. People are either mad at semantics or just want to turn it into a muh superior scientific western arts vs dumb superstitious asian martial arts shitflinging. Which doesn't make sense since western martial arts aren't that different.

>single leg takedown
>single leg takedown running the pipe
>single leg takedown treetop finish

All are the same move fundamentally, but you don't see anyone getting their panties in a twist about it.

Both the end movement and the kuzushi are different, they’re not the same throw. I don’t understand why this makes you so mad.

You realize that the very fricking naming conventions used mean [...] this is true. Holy shit. Maybe fricking learn Japanese before jumping into a foreign style and insisting you know this & that. This whole fricking thread is an argument about grammar and the judokas in here are dead fricking wrong & any legit sensei that knee frick all about judo, japan, & the language would tell you THEY'RE ALL OSOTO that is the fricking core and everything aftet that is a variation. This board really is all larpers.

Lmfao, the actual literal opposite is true. All osoto means is “major outside” the three other words mean, respectively, reap, drop, and wheel. Exactly what the anon above you said. It’s three different movements from a similar position. By the way, I minored in Japanese language. I guarantee I know more than you.

Except the butthurt larping judoka that doesn't understand linguistics.

>the judoka are larping because they know the techniques of their own sport
You’d think you’d trust the opinions of people who actually do the sport you’re raging about.

Thats not what I get from it. I undestand the point that overspecializing is bad and might not be the best educational approach. Which kinda makes sense, I mean, any form of education should get better over time. If you're educational methods are improving then teaching & imparting knowledge should become more efficient. But judo, lots of martial arts, are still unreasonable grindfests for progress and I think part of that does have something to do with little to no change in instructional methods.

This is just autism

>everything I don't like is autism
Couldn't possibly be you've been sold a bunch of convuluted bullshit

What is a real martial if judo is tma bullshido? Why do you even care about judo classifications if you don’t even fricking train it? What do you train?

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How fricking moronic are ya'll? Imagine if BJJ did this for every pathway to a kimura, or if every wrestler did this for every flow that leads to an RNC? This judo argument is pure TMA convuluted bullshit.

The kimura and Americana are two different locks in BJJ despite operating in essentially the same manner because the direction of pressure is different. Does this enrage you also?

BJJ and wrestling doesn't require a lot of technique or skill.

Don’t be moronic

>judo is plagued by bullshido because it has different names for different techniques
I think you fundamentally don’t understand what bullshido is the same way you don’t understand how grappling works. What do you train?

>bro I totally train judo but don’t understand that you need to apply different kuzushi for the different osoto throws
Ok buddy lol. Do you get mad that ogoshi and koshi guruma are categorized as different throws also? The other anon is right, you’re a schizophrenic. I also don’t think you actually train judo.

Why don’t you explain how I’m wrong about biomechanics then. Both locks attack the same joint in the same way but from opposite directions. That is enough of a distinction for bjjgays to give the lock two different names and I think they are correct in doing so.

>Think about which throw
I just think about each step in my process, if the process is done correctly the outcome will be in your favor. I don't plan, I just do.

It's one technique with multiple variations. People are either mad at semantics or just want to turn it into a muh superior scientific western arts vs dumb superstitious asian martial arts shitflinging. Which doesn't make sense since western martial arts aren't that different.

>single leg takedown
>single leg takedown running the pipe
>single leg takedown treetop finish

All are the same move fundamentally, but you don't see anyone getting their panties in a twist about it.

>Hook
>Jab
>Cross
>Uppercut
Broken frickin' record.

>Even veteran commentators get osotos mixed around all the time because the core movement is the same and the only distinction is application.

Oh and boxing and MMA commentators never confuse the a cross and jab because they are just sooooo different and unique in every way.

>did the punch follow the lead foot, jab. Rear foot, cross
Did the foot plant or not plant in Osoto? That's the difference between Gari and Otoshi.

Yeah so convoluted, did you plant the foot? If so, you probably had to drag Uki down to the ground with your own weight instead of just reaping the leg.

Please post a Vocaroo, I need to know if I'm dealing with some moronic deli-meat head moron.

Visually yes, but I will emphasis again that in its actual usage the kuzushi and setups are different. That’s why they’re trained as different throws.

Exactly, chink fu level of convultued bullshit.

Do you know what the word convoluted means? That’s a pretty simple distinction.

Thats not what I get from it. I undestand the point that overspecializing is bad and might not be the best educational approach. Which kinda makes sense, I mean, any form of education should get better over time. If you're educational methods are improving then teaching & imparting knowledge should become more efficient. But judo, lots of martial arts, are still unreasonable grindfests for progress and I think part of that does have something to do with little to no change in instructional methods.