>proves bjj doesn't work in a 1v1 street fight

A lot of Japanese still train Karate and Kendo and so on, its just recreation at this point for them and a way to stay active.

People forget how much bullshido is baked in the cake with karate. Gichin Funokoshis books are full of fantastical tall tales including how his old master could tear through bamboo stalks with his fingertips. Then you have Oyama and the bill fighting stories. All the stuff about single knuckle punches or lethal finger strikes and so on.

Total non sequitur you can learn how to punch and also have a bunch of stupid bullshit included as well. On top of that boxing will teach how to punch better.

nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union

>modern Czechoslovakian
I'm a Slovak, currently living in Czechia. That's just flat out incorrect. During commie regime it was Judo, recently BJJ/submission grappling is gaining popularity very rapidly. In my city there is several BJJ gyms, multiple judo schools for children, at least one for adults and exactly zero sambo ones

Pussy cope

>He puts money before pride

Disgusting

I care because it shows what to expect if you'll ever face an angry moron

These guys are pioneers like early UFC where everyone thought it was zomg teh brutal and cruel

They are proving what works in a street fight. They risk their health for the highest most noble cause; truth

Of course a little point sparring pussy won't understand that

>Cries that fighting is violent and dangerous
Do you even know what fighting is? My point is bjj (something every neckbeard claims is very useful irl, doesn't work in real situation)

I know one of the guys fighting there. Talked to him when i was still in a gym full of thugs (that nearly destroyed my knee bc they didnt give a frick about long term health, something you should look up instead of playing keyboard warrior). Let me tell you, these guys are unhinged and are looking for an outlet. The guy im talking about is doing 7 years rn. Just do martial arts in a gym with sane people that have a job and dont want to play Baki in real life. 90% people running on the "streets" cant fight for shit anyway

>Fighting for brain damage in ring good!
>Fighting for brain damage outside of ring bad!

Yet none of those kots fighters died or suffered a broken limb

Curious

Also none of them will do this for 5 years but they can risk their health for the ultimate proof of what works in a real situation with no rules. That's something in itself. I have had a few fights on concrete and no one died or hit their head on the floor. So many people do martial arts and train for confidence to defend themselves but when you have a promotion thats full of fighters (unhinged they may be) instead of appreciating they prove what works and what doesn't you cry like a soccer mom seeing her first moral panic and come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful cope.

Fighting is a game of loss all around (unless you get very very lucky and dont get any major long lasting injuries and earn good cash which wont happen for the big majority of figthers on this planet). The problem with KOTS is that it has the least safety measures possible and is dropping every ounce of safety for specatacle. Everyone has to decide for themselves if that risk is worth it. My biggest gripe i have is the demographic of Kots.
If you think the people fighting are in a way adjusted besides their fighting spirit, i would recommend spending some time with them, changes your view quickly unless you are born for that mentality yourself.

I'm not denying that most of them are violent unhinged hooligans with a lot of anger and self loathing in them. If you don't think that doesn't put them above a hell of a lot of "trained but mild mannered and unwilling to hurt someone, martial arts is about peace and control bro" people then more fool you.

Imagine some nerd training bee jay jay for 10 years, feeling confident, then one of these savages mops the floor with him. That's what we're trying to get down to the bottom of here. It's clear these guys have training, in fact you even see judo and Greco moves pulled of. To call them untrained is pure cope. We have seen no bjj skills saving anyone when rules are off the table.

>bjj street fight” and find hundreds of exampes proving you wrong, right?

You literally can't lmao. The only things you can find are some news stories where a bjj black belt gets some junkie in a RNC from behind which any idiot can do. Ive done that before doing any training.

That guy choked him out then punched him at least 8 times in the face. the guy then stood up and wanted to carry on fighting and the bjj guy didn't know what to do. That's a loss for bjj

Yeah but then your facing a murder charge whereas ko just puts them/multiple people to sleep in a second then you run

Stop moving goal posts. Two people engaged in no rules mutual combat and bjj has proven not to work. That's the reality. Not two losers who don't really want to fight

I did

Very nice, textbook hadaka jime
Let me know when he does bjj though

It doesn't "exist in judo", it is judo
You keep using this term Brazilian jiujitsu, show me some Brazilian techniques then?

Or admit that BJJ doesn't actually bring anything to the table and is just n imitation of things that have been around for a long time and available to learn basically for free, then rebranded and marketed to suckers as some kind of new boutique martial art that they'll pay thousands of dollars a year to learn

And then the lies start where ohh you see grand Master helio realized its impossible to throw someone if you're too small and weak so he invented leverage to defeat a bigger opponent
Meanwhile jigoro kano at all of 5'2" with a hat on had no problem throwing men double his size
It takes a real shitter of a martial artist to say a technique doesn't work just because he can't do it

And that's what happened, the Brazilians simply could not do judo in its complete form so they ignored the difficult part of it and pretended it was something new

It's a complete farce, you've been sold a lie

>forming a fist was probably first discovered by some homosexual erectus in subsaharan africa, clearly that must mean that boxing is a fake martial art because boxers didn't invent anything themselves, just rebranded existing techniques

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(software_development)

That tracks, you want to stay ignorant and when confronted with the truth you plug your ears

I didn't start this thread
Maybe you're not a much of a majority as you think

I started this thread and that post wasn't me don't just assume because not everyone is involved in your circle jerk it's all just one person

I can just keep posting these all day. They take zero effort to find.

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>DOESNT COUNT REEEEEE

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>when “wrestlers” ground n pound it’s awesome
>when bjjers ground and pound it’s bullshit

>The wrestler is not under some kind of illusion that he's an elegant technician that can subdue people without hurting them
*delusion
Also https://youtu.be/rEhzuy4lwjg?feature=shared
Bro even had time and ability to turn his camera on for evidence lol

>bjj doesn’t work in a street fight
>well actually it does but it stole all its moves
>also that doesn’t count because it’s definitely not bjj even though it is
>also none of this counts unless a bjj guy wins without hurting someone
>ok yes he did that but that but that also doesn’t count because the guy was drunk (as most “street fighters” usually are)
How much more cope do you have left in you?

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>that doesn’t count because it’s American jiujitsu (?????)
>it also doesn’t count because he didn’t win imediately

That's not a street fight that's a disagreement between two friends on the basketball court. He then let him go because of course he doesn't have the legal right to break his leg as it doesn't meet proportional force. the other guy then got up and knocked him out

Another L for bjj

>it doesn’t count because actually they’re friends
Yes that black guy seemed really friendly trying to clock him in the head.

It’s clear at this point you’re both (assuming you’re not samegayging which you almost certainly are) are complete fricking autistic morons with no idea what you’re talking about and massive amounts of crying cope. I could post more videos of bjj gays objectively winning street fights but you’ll continue to make up reasons why it doesn’t count. I’m sure the nonmorons in the thread can see reality. Enjoy your copium lol.

That was 95% kickboxing and wrestling, at the very end he rear naked choked him. so are you telling me you need kickboxing and wrestling in order to get a basic choke that even an untrained person could employ on instinct since if you've watched more than 10 MMA fights and have any common sense you can replicate this move.

Once again your example betrays you. Where was the bjj wizardry in that video? Nowhere

Blue belt Vs civilian

heel hooks have been explicitly banned in all brazilian jiujitsu competitions until 2021
and while the move itself has been documented going back to ancient greece, it was systematized by americans in submission grappling competitions but studying old japanese literature
how on earth you can lay the claim at the feet of brazilians for something they had no part of. At literally no point in the process did they ever touch it, and in fact actively worked against it. They still work against it and have it banned from most of their competitions

This is what I'm getting at with referencing KOTS as a golden example for pure irl martial arts. Bjj isn't reality. MMA isn't reality (closer than bjj though)

Instinct, savageness, athletic and explosive ability will beat any bjj training on the street

the bjj gym is the only place you'll go where they say STOP USING STRENGTH STOP GOING SO FAST
ah! help!! the athletic 16 year old is beating me up, b-b-but m-my purple belt!!! this cant beeeee!!!!
better tell him he's not allowed to use his athleticism against people in the gym. Then if he doesn't I'll go complain to chewjitsu about the "spazzy white belt" at my gym because I'm not able to control him and he keeps hurting me

Are you arguing the greatest of GOATS of MMA and boxing didn't have exactly those qualities + training?

Apart from that training actually translated into combat. The typical bjj nerd has useless training + no fight instinct

People claiming "I just see red bro" doesnt work is a meme in itself. I've met a lot of half wit people with zero to lose who will fight like their life depends on it. And it put my money on them Vs some tame grappling "expert"

It’s very clear when police have grappling training and when they don’t

Notice the armbar cop almost getting ko by a head kick before his partner comes and saves him LMAO

>he was totally going to get head kick KOed
No he wasn’t moron that kick had no power

>x doesn't work
it does
>ok but it's illegal
so is y, and you've mentioned that as being ok
>nooooooooo stop moving goalposts

>https://youtube.com/shorts/rbFnW-K-mZA?feature=shared
Wait for him to start crying that it's staged or something

Why are you getting so absolutely buttflustered and enraged? Because a hooligan who "just sees red bro" will absolutely kick the ever living shit out of you on concrete?

Hilarious, I'm having a genuine debate about submission grappling in the context of fighting and you're seething HARD. Why is that?

now you're moving the goal posts and using words like grappling instead of bjj

This isn't what happened. Capitalising words and making buffoonish imitations doesn't make your argument plausible. Try again without shitting your pants this time.

I've competed in striking sports, done a bit of grappling (enough to know it's a cope when people can strike) and I've had a few fights on the street which was very chaotic and I struggle to believe bjj would have helped me in those. Being heavier and more powerful would have helped that's about it

I'm not Fedor but at least I have some experience and know how things happen inside a full contact sports fight and against aggresive thugs irl. What do you know?
Nothing. So be humble. youre not better because you're more domesticated.

And I'm sure they will just be dying to tell me how Brazilian jiu jitsu has helped them in these scraps

... Oh it didn't

All my fights have been strikes either one punch to the jaw or hockey style grab and punch. I guess you were fighting very weak people who didn't want to fight if you could judo throw them

Hey,

Fighting is a game of loss all around (unless you get very very lucky and dont get any major long lasting injuries and earn good cash which wont happen for the big majority of figthers on this planet). The problem with KOTS is that it has the least safety measures possible and is dropping every ounce of safety for specatacle. Everyone has to decide for themselves if that risk is worth it. My biggest gripe i have is the demographic of Kots.
If you think the people fighting are in a way adjusted besides their fighting spirit, i would recommend spending some time with them, changes your view quickly unless you are born for that mentality yourself.

anon here. I personally think the reason these guys are not fighting in pro leauges is their skill level, plain and simple. Most of them are bruisers that dont want to think about the technique. They will probably be much better in any match setting then some more mild hearted hobbyist but you are overestmating their skill level by multiple degrees. Kots fighters are 90% bruiser types that dont drill technique like pro. Dunno why you are ranting on about BJJ, makes this thread looks just as moronic as all the other bait threads here, so to cut to the chase why these people dont train BJJ:
They think its gay. Thats literally it. Im not kidding. The guy i spoken too could never do it bc "its fricking gay" to stay in these sex positions with another man". Judo gets a pass bc it has more frontal throws but yeah, the mindset is moronic. Like i said earlier, there is a reason i stay far away from these people and how they train.

I know one of the guys fighting there. Talked to him when i was still in a gym full of thugs (that nearly destroyed my knee bc they didnt give a frick about long term health, something you should look up instead of playing keyboard warrior). Let me tell you, these guys are unhinged and are looking for an outlet. The guy im talking about is doing 7 years rn. Just do martial arts in a gym with sane people that have a job and dont want to play Baki in real life. 90% people running on the "streets" cant fight for shit anyway

Why? Hes spot on

>only difference you'll see is kicking downed opponents and 12-6 elbows
And headbutts

99% of MMA fighters and martial artists etc get no monetary gain for their troubles, mostly health issues the longer you do it. Does that make everyone idiots? No some people just enjoy the adrenaline rush of combat and this is modern day combat at its purest.

99% of them have side jobs

>people need excitement too, so let’s do things in the most dangerously stupid way possible and get permanently crippled instead of doing what everyone else does fighting on canvas”
Enjoy those sweet NEETbux when you’re on disability I guess.

>i don't know why you're arguing fighting is dangerous and can cripple you
Because it is and it can? Are you like, actually moronic? You can get crippled or killed being thrown on mats

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> respect the people that educate you on combat
Let me tell you what would happen if I told any of my coaches or any other competent coach that I wanted to compete on concrete. They’d say
>don’t do that, that’s the dumbest fricking thing you’ve ever said in your life
>Don't hate mindlessly because you fear savage hooligans
See

>Yet none of those kots fighters died or suffered a broken limb
>curious
Who are you, tony face charlie kirk? What point are you even trying to make?
>Also none of them will do this for 5 years but they can risk their health for the ultimate proof of what works in a real situation with no rules
Most people with functioning brain cells can extrapolate what does and doesn’t work on duh streetz based on the thousands of hours of street fight footage that’s available (or just common fricking sense) without voluntarily putting themselves in that position. If you feel you have something to prove, be my guest and fly to Europe. I’m sure they’re always looking for more cans.
> many people do martial arts and train for confidence to defend themselves but when you have a promotion thats full of fighters (unhinged they may be) instead of appreciating they prove what works and what doesn't you cry like a soccer mom seeing her first moral panic and come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful cope.
Invalid moron that you are, you fail to realize no one’s crying about this or even remotely cares if felons beat the shit out of each other for no reason. Felony fights was doing that years ago. We just think it’s moronic.

The contention here is you using guys who don’t train bjj, not using bjj, as proof that bjj doesn’t work.

Here, I’ll do the googling for you. Does this count that bjj works on da streetz? They’re in a street fight, and BJJ worked.
https://youtube.com/shorts/rbFnW-K-mZA?feature=shared

>Invalid moron that you are, you fail to realize no one’s crying about this or even remotely cares if felons beat the shit out of each other for no reason. Felony fights was doing that years ago. We just think it’s moronic.

These guys have a couple of fights on concrete for their excitement and pride. and at least they can say they have tested the limits of no rules reality Hand to hand combat. they even managed to prove stuff like BJJ doesn't work which is very important when we are seeking to find truth you can even think of them as noble test dummies

meanwhile hobbyist grapplers and strikers end up with completely frickes up joints and head trauma from practicing for years and sparring with barely any benefit and never tested skill in a real situation or know the limits of it. Continuous moduate blows to the brain and sometimes even crippling injuries through accidents

Personally I find the second one even stupider if you really think about it. But I guess youre a simple guy and will just cry about ">muh concrete" yet strangely there hasn't been any KOs from concrete meeting head and there's only like a handful of incidents over the years where people die from that Vs the thousands of fights that happen yearly. Curious.

I didn't say its cool and I don't have the energy to fight in those conditions. I do respect that they teach us what works on concrete. They are trained

You think you're making fun of me but you're actually just another bjj beta boy in denial

After you

Oh wait you're too intelligent to fight. You may break your nail and your wfh coding job will suffer. Your poor finger will hurt when you press the keyboard kek. Not worth fighting amirite. It's for stupid brutes! Bjj cuddle much better 🙂

>ground fighting art focuses on ground fighting
>autistic anon is surprised and throwing a tantrum

Thanks, op here and I think this is the hard truth of what I'm trying to get at. I'm just realistic and feel bad that people think very contrived ruleset on mats translates well to true self defence.

There are so many weak beta looking people in the bjj class. The guys doing wrestling and boxing look alpha as frick. This is because that shit is hard and works in all settings. It's proven. It's proven in KOTS. It's proven in MMA.

Stop checking out the men in the gym and train
>proven in MMA
This is where you lose any credibility. Decades of submission victories tells enough to anyone with a brain. So does the fact that nearly every serious fighter extensively trains BJJ and/or has a grappling coach.

BJJ arguments aside, I'm genuinely curious where this mindset comes from. Is this like a zoomer meme or something? Did a youtuber make an anti-BJJ video? Does no one train?

>Stop checking out the men in the gym and train
>Just bury your head in the sand and pretend things work when they don't

No

>I'm genuinely curious where this mindset comes from
Nonsensical contrarian takes guarantee (you)s and to socially moronic basement dwellers that counts as human interaction, however vitriolic it may be

This isn't Reddit we don't pander to the mainstream socially pushed agendas like bjj

Back you go

You keep insisting that JJ doesn't work, despite multiple fights being posted in this very thread, a thousand more being literally at your fingertips and an extensive history of it being used in MMA to great success

That you're deliberately ignoring this just proves that I'm correct. Call your dad, he misses you

>I can’t think of a single combat sport where you’re not penalized for passivity
we are standing, you decide to sit down on the ground and lay on your back
which of us is being passive?

bjj is the only "combat" (lol lmao) sport that allows participants to take a strictly defensive posture and penalizes the other person for it
if you pulled that shit in any other sport at a minimum you're getting a warning, in so far as they might even stop the fight if you keep doing it

Every punch I've thrown after my boxing training had resulted in a KO within 3 punches. U mad?

Yeah you mad

there's no such thing as a "jiujitsu ruleset" every competition has different rules