nah, he gets plenty hate. I thought about it and the only other guys I can think of are austin and tanahashi.
2 years ago
Anonymous
don’t ever fricking ‘nah’ me again bro or i swear i’ll open you up hardway bro ong
2 years ago
Anonymous
Neither of those are choppa though, Austin is the closest in being a brawler, and he's great at it don't get me wrong but he doesn't wrestle choppa.
Tanahashi also isn't even close to choppa, he's influenced more by old school Japanese and Lucha shit, even though he's a fan of Kobashi as well, he never really took any of that style.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know they arent choppa, I was just thinking guys who mostly get respect, macho man is in that too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ah that makes sense
I was just saying if you embrace choppa it could help you, though that's only if you refuse to do charisma+workrate route, only reason you should do that is if there's a language barrier. Even with charisma+workrate one side could shit on you for petty reasons.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>even though he's a fan of Kobashi as well, he never really took any of that style
Based ACE not being a cosplay wrestler. Fattie Kingston should learn a thing or two.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, nothing wrong with taking influence, I just find the jokes of Eddie being a giant homosexual for King's Road caused Ishii to avoid him backstage and find some titty.
My dad tried to when he waddled out vs Eddie on the AEW pre show but after seeing him in action he got over and now my dad wants to see more of his matches. Ishii is over, choppa style is the ultimate
I showed one of my friends Shibata vs Ishii to introduce him to NJPW and he thought it was stupid because of the constant back and forth strikes and them allowing the other to just kick them during their tests of strengths. Tried to show him another match but he just wanted to stick to WWE.
Ishii haters are out there
2 years ago
Anonymous
how is he a hater?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I’m not saying he himself hates Ishii, I’m saying that if someone dislikes an Ishii match for being an Ishii match to the point it turns them away, there are likely people out there who don’t like Ishii full stop.
God knows he’s already hated by people who hate manlets in wrestling just for their size.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's called wrestling, nobody wants to see a match saturated with striking and minimal in grappling.
There's also anti-smarks. They appeared in protest of smarks. You'll find them in places like Fhite and r/scjerk
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anti-smarks are smarks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anything beyond a mark is just a bigger mark. Being so obsessed you try to co-opt a carnival term to call yourself smart makes you a bigger, stupider mark
kek nobody has said "woke" in like 5 years and nobody has cared about hipsters for nearly a decade
I showed one of my friends Shibata vs Ishii to introduce him to NJPW and he thought it was stupid because of the constant back and forth strikes and them allowing the other to just kick them during their tests of strengths. Tried to show him another match but he just wanted to stick to WWE.
marks are the normal people, aka NPCs and morons
smarks are the contrarian dipshits who hate whatever the marks like
anti-smarks are the refined individuals who disregard popularity and recognize objective quality
smarter than a mark and more sensible than a smark
called anti-smarks because they usually end up disgreeing with whatever dumbass shit smarks spout
90% of this board are bona fide smarks
Smark is a smart that wanders the IWC so much he became as invested as a clueless Mark for one wrestler and/or company success while knowing its all rigged.
Anti-smarks are just people who hate smarks and so start hate what smarks on their website of choice love and support just for contrarianism
It's something marks call themselves as a cope because they use "insider terms" and listen to Dave meltzer so they think they are smart, but still don't know what mark means
>Smark — A combination of the words "smart" and "mark." Used mostly in the wrestling field, but finding its way onto the carnival lot, the term refers to fans who believe they are "in the know" based on a certain amount of inside knowledge, but who are obviously (to those who are really "with it") poseurs much less informed than they think they are.
https://www.goodmagic.com/carny/car_q-z.htm
On Fhite, smark means snarky hardcore wrestling fan with a marked tendency to hate everything for silly purist reasonings, amd champion niche elements with typically low or lower mass appeal.
It's a term you understand the nuances more by observing and analyzing the thoughts and behavior of the people who get labelled as it.
Having the hardest chops in the business is something that everyone can respect. He also has top tier presence, a cool faction with 2 great workers, and lastly he's been booked like a big deal from the literal moment he got into WWE.
>watching royal rumble with friends a few year back >some theme we dont know hits >kek this fat guy is named walter >hits the ring and starts beating and chopping the shit out of everyone >instantly over with us >get mad when he gets dumped out
In an era of flippy shit its refreshing to just see a big dude beating the shit out of people without doing a bunch of moronic shit.
That is a jobber to the stars look - a good spot but he's already started to look more muscular after cutting weight. He's going to be a monster. As for OP I believe it's the following: >A ground and pound heavyweight style that looks like it would hurt >6'4, wide frame and giant hands + the serious Austrian man face gives him a dimes look just standing there >there hasn't been a serious germanic wrestler in god knows how long. Karl Gotch?
With his new tan + new physique if he puts on a good amount of muscle he'd be 10/10 rather than the 9/10 he is currently.
is he the best wrestler in the world overall? only his mic work isnt toptier.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In his weight category I'd say so. Ludwig is decent on the mic imo if he's is permenant mouthpiece. (I'd hope so - they're great friends irl and have been working together for years)
Overall though I think he can get away with shouting some catch phrases in some aggressive Austrian.
Only not likable thing about him is that he can’t cut a promo (negligible) and that he looks like a twig (his one flaw). He’s a good wrestler. It’s even more impressive that he’s over with management with those two flaws I listed AND the fact he refused to work in the states during his reign as NXT UK Champion
I had a dream that Gunther won the WWE Universal title so he gave the IC belt to Ludwig as a reward for his loyalty and then he won the US title and gave it to Giovanni.
His in-ring work is impeccable, so that satisfies the hardcore marks. Meanwhile he has a dimes presence that commands a level of attention and respect.
That is what every non-roided wrestler's physique looks like. They are universally pudgy if they aren't chemically enhancing themselves; presumably because they don't bother cutting.
>skinnyfat
He's clearly in shape, just not the most toned. But very clear muscle definition either requires gear or a bunch of work that's gonna be difficult to maintain on the road and won't actually help you athletically as a pro wrestler.
I think hes boring and green. I don't watch wrestling for fake tough guys acting out some match a chink had in 1996. Sheamus at least has charisma and he completely carried Gunther to a good match.
that's the strength of choppa style
any other example?
eddie kingston
nah, he gets plenty hate. I thought about it and the only other guys I can think of are austin and tanahashi.
don’t ever fricking ‘nah’ me again bro or i swear i’ll open you up hardway bro ong
Neither of those are choppa though, Austin is the closest in being a brawler, and he's great at it don't get me wrong but he doesn't wrestle choppa.
Tanahashi also isn't even close to choppa, he's influenced more by old school Japanese and Lucha shit, even though he's a fan of Kobashi as well, he never really took any of that style.
I know they arent choppa, I was just thinking guys who mostly get respect, macho man is in that too.
ah that makes sense
I was just saying if you embrace choppa it could help you, though that's only if you refuse to do charisma+workrate route, only reason you should do that is if there's a language barrier. Even with charisma+workrate one side could shit on you for petty reasons.
>even though he's a fan of Kobashi as well, he never really took any of that style
Based ACE not being a cosplay wrestler. Fattie Kingston should learn a thing or two.
yeah, nothing wrong with taking influence, I just find the jokes of Eddie being a giant homosexual for King's Road caused Ishii to avoid him backstage and find some titty.
You are absolutely correct
THE NUT I STRIVE FOR PAHDNA
Stan Hansen, Terry Gordy, Vader
RIC FLAIR?
Does anyone dislike Ishii?
ishii is a good one, i know some sizequeens that still love him even though hes way smaller than youd think.
lowlife anti smarks dislike him only because hes liked by smarks
>anti smarks
you mean normal people?
My dad tried to when he waddled out vs Eddie on the AEW pre show but after seeing him in action he got over and now my dad wants to see more of his matches. Ishii is over, choppa style is the ultimate
I showed one of my friends Shibata vs Ishii to introduce him to NJPW and he thought it was stupid because of the constant back and forth strikes and them allowing the other to just kick them during their tests of strengths. Tried to show him another match but he just wanted to stick to WWE.
Ishii haters are out there
how is he a hater?
I’m not saying he himself hates Ishii, I’m saying that if someone dislikes an Ishii match for being an Ishii match to the point it turns them away, there are likely people out there who don’t like Ishii full stop.
God knows he’s already hated by people who hate manlets in wrestling just for their size.
It's called wrestling, nobody wants to see a match saturated with striking and minimal in grappling.
Does anyone dislike Roddy Strong?
SHITTY LITTLE BOOTS
he actually looks like a wrestler.
Austrians of a certain sort demand respect. See Hitler.
>Austrians of a certain sort demand respect. See Hitler.
and Arnie
The power of Österreich
He's got presence and is a great wrestler. He's also got an old school feel that triggers nostalgia.
>anti-smarks
you mean normal people?
normal people don't know what a mark or a smark is they just fricking watch wrestling
That’s called a mark moron
so a mark? there’s only marks and smarks
There's also anti-smarks. They appeared in protest of smarks. You'll find them in places like Fhite and r/scjerk
Anti-smarks are smarks.
Anything beyond a mark is just a bigger mark. Being so obsessed you try to co-opt a carnival term to call yourself smart makes you a bigger, stupider mark
obese smark headcanon
An anti-smark is a smarks that have shooted themselves into a work
anti smarks are smarks who want to be even more unique by hating themselves and their "community"
False. Anti-Smarks are wrestling fans who are against woke fat hipster vegan smarks.
kek nobody has said "woke" in like 5 years and nobody has cared about hipsters for nearly a decade
e-drones aren't people
true obese troony e-lite drones are subhuman
We do not sign our posts here.
you’re the most abnormal subset of fans you terminally online moron. go back
step away from the mirror before it breaks.
Not totally normal. They're still hardcores, but you know how badly contrary opinions make others seethe.
marks are the normal people, aka NPCs and morons
smarks are the contrarian dipshits who hate whatever the marks like
anti-smarks are the refined individuals who disregard popularity and recognize objective quality
smarter than a mark and more sensible than a smark
called anti-smarks because they usually end up disgreeing with whatever dumbass shit smarks spout
90% of this board are bona fide smarks
Anti smarks are just contrarian smarks.
It's just marks, those other things don't exist
What is a smark? Everyone keeps using this term, I know what a mark is but I don’t know what a smark is. Can someone feed me, I brought my own spoon.
Smark is a smart that wanders the IWC so much he became as invested as a clueless Mark for one wrestler and/or company success while knowing its all rigged.
Anti-smarks are just people who hate smarks and so start hate what smarks on their website of choice love and support just for contrarianism
>anti-smarks
you mean normal people?
smarks are the contrarians to marks and anti-smarks contradict smarks
anti-smarks tend to be like marks if they had a brain and anti-smarks if they weren't habitual contrarians
It's something marks call themselves as a cope because they use "insider terms" and listen to Dave meltzer so they think they are smart, but still don't know what mark means
>Smark — A combination of the words "smart" and "mark." Used mostly in the wrestling field, but finding its way onto the carnival lot, the term refers to fans who believe they are "in the know" based on a certain amount of inside knowledge, but who are obviously (to those who are really "with it") poseurs much less informed than they think they are.
https://www.goodmagic.com/carny/car_q-z.htm
On Fhite, smark means snarky hardcore wrestling fan with a marked tendency to hate everything for silly purist reasonings, amd champion niche elements with typically low or lower mass appeal.
It's a term you understand the nuances more by observing and analyzing the thoughts and behavior of the people who get labelled as it.
I’m definitely a mark then. I hate the bloodline.
by not being another cookie cutter long hair and a beard guy from NXT
A lot of marks think he’s boring but that’s why they’re marks. He’s doing his job and selling tickets
Having the hardest chops in the business is something that everyone can respect. He also has top tier presence, a cool faction with 2 great workers, and lastly he's been booked like a big deal from the literal moment he got into WWE.
he's not a mark and takes advice from veterans
he wrestle good
Vladimir Koslov looks like THAT?
>watching royal rumble with friends a few year back
>some theme we dont know hits
>kek this fat guy is named walter
>hits the ring and starts beating and chopping the shit out of everyone
>instantly over with us
>get mad when he gets dumped out
In an era of flippy shit its refreshing to just see a big dude beating the shit out of people without doing a bunch of moronic shit.
>has literally never been in the Royal Rumble
anon is from the future, where gunther’s name returns to walter
GUNTHER! DER RING GENERAL! GUNTHER!
I respected him before he started to look like he had AIDS just to be Vinces boy
Mandrama is a body business. You need insane charisma to get over with this flab.
are you describing walter? cus the dude can’t talk for shit. he’s literally a meme wrestler
not the other guy but he speaks good enough for his role and gimmick, he doesnt need to be giving 10 minute speeches.
That is a jobber to the stars look - a good spot but he's already started to look more muscular after cutting weight. He's going to be a monster. As for OP I believe it's the following:
>A ground and pound heavyweight style that looks like it would hurt
>6'4, wide frame and giant hands + the serious Austrian man face gives him a dimes look just standing there
>there hasn't been a serious germanic wrestler in god knows how long. Karl Gotch?
With his new tan + new physique if he puts on a good amount of muscle he'd be 10/10 rather than the 9/10 he is currently.
is he the best wrestler in the world overall? only his mic work isnt toptier.
In his weight category I'd say so. Ludwig is decent on the mic imo if he's is permenant mouthpiece. (I'd hope so - they're great friends irl and have been working together for years)
Overall though I think he can get away with shouting some catch phrases in some aggressive Austrian.
Only not likable thing about him is that he can’t cut a promo (negligible) and that he looks like a twig (his one flaw). He’s a good wrestler. It’s even more impressive that he’s over with management with those two flaws I listed AND the fact he refused to work in the states during his reign as NXT UK Champion
hes a shawn and paul guy, hes gonna be protected for a long while.
He's already a solid worker, but with the recent Sheamus feud, who has 10/10 chemistry with him in the ring, he looks even better.
Germanic ingenuity
Simon Gotch at home.
>removes vinci's smile
hes not over with me
I had a dream that Gunther won the WWE Universal title so he gave the IC belt to Ludwig as a reward for his loyalty and then he won the US title and gave it to Giovanni.
i DON'T RESPECT HIM. hE TURNED HIS BACK ON WXW AND HIS HOME COUNTRY FOR BIG MACS AND BLACKS
fake news
He's channeling as much Nazi energy as he can without actually being one, his group is the axis powers it's just missing a Japanese guy.
No shingo please I didn't know she was Korean just put down the gun!
This, no one wants to admit it but it's this
The Fourth Reich rises
bump
His in-ring work is impeccable, so that satisfies the hardcore marks. Meanwhile he has a dimes presence that commands a level of attention and respect.
nah he’s cringe
>le skinnyfat man chops xD
cringe
That is what every non-roided wrestler's physique looks like. They are universally pudgy if they aren't chemically enhancing themselves; presumably because they don't bother cutting.
Fine speech
Is John Cena Irish?
Albanian
>skinnyfat
He's clearly in shape, just not the most toned. But very clear muscle definition either requires gear or a bunch of work that's gonna be difficult to maintain on the road and won't actually help you athletically as a pro wrestler.
he looks like shit
German excellence.
if HHH doesnt make him world champion at some point, hes moronic.
Needs to get a clue
Has that Dimes Look
I think hes boring and green. I don't watch wrestling for fake tough guys acting out some match a chink had in 1996. Sheamus at least has charisma and he completely carried Gunther to a good match.