This in itself should be enough to never ever sell rights to NBC again.
Of course the premier league suits will see dollar signs but everyone else should be prepared to invade in order to protect our heritage.
>I want all the economic benefits of globalization in my sportswashed league ran by sheiks and consortiums but you can't play league games in other countries because.... because you cant okay?
Go watch League One football then. EPL is a global league for customers, not for "english" fans.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anglos can't even watch their own league legally because of some 3pm cuck rule so they all flood onto foreigners streams to watch
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>still calling an island full of britons, celts, normans, danes, romans an anglo country
only thing more moronic is saying the USA is just an anglo country
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
there are extremely few Normans or danes in the uk
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Go read a history book you moron
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's just a larp because you don't want to accept that you're Celtic
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's less Celtic heritage on the main island, if you want to claim Ireland is mostly Celtic sure, but in England, definitely not. Especially eastern England which was a landing spot for invaders.
City fans don't care. Newcastle fans don't care. Chelsea fans don't care (unless they are doing badly in the league).
Cry about it. Your masters own you and your clubs and there's nothing you can do about it. At least the Germans have self-respect enough to enforce 50+1 fan majority at their clubs. You don't.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only fans that do care are teams that lack the same funds, Newcastle fans were whining about Arab owners until they got one themselves
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh no the Super League will definitely be happening then
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>at least the Germans have self-respect enough to enforce 50+1 fan majority at their clubs. You don't. >you dont have the self respect to jack in 150 years of practice and follow the Germans
ABEism is literally a mental disease.
This in itself should be enough to never ever sell rights to NBC again.
Of course the premier league suits will see dollar signs but everyone else should be prepared to invade in order to protect our heritage.
There's a red line and you can't cross it. Go and cry in the corner fat lad.
Can't wait for ad breaks every 5 minutes. Fricking Americans
This in itself should be enough to never ever sell rights to NBC again.
Of course the premier league suits will see dollar signs but everyone else should be prepared to invade in order to protect our heritage.
The only possible way to show ads during a match is when there's a VAR decision being made, which makes me think VAR was more about ads being implemented than any other reason..
The absolute worst case scenario would be picture-in-picture ads as the game is being played
>The absolute worst case scenario would be picture-in-picture ads as the game is being played
I see this sometimes in streams, don’t remember if it was on burger channels tho
>hey should we strengthen each others sports in our respective countries? >nah we should instead host nfl games in europe and epl games in america
i fricking hate israelites and the irish (gingerjews) so much it's unreal
This in itself should be enough to never ever sell rights to NBC again.
Of course the premier league suits will see dollar signs but everyone else should be prepared to invade in order to protect our heritage.
>everyone else should be prepared to invade in order to protect our heritage.
You sold all your teams to Arabs and corporations. All your teams are overpaying and going defunct left and right. There is no heritage left.
Lmao. The heritage is fine. Your fat c**t suits tried shenanigans the other year and got told to do one by fans of big clubs fans of small clubs, players, pundits, journos, MPs from every party and the Royal Family - and everyone here hates each other. Keep paying your tv money so we can buy top dadda players, or don't, nobody cares.
your sport is dominated by oil money owners from another continent who neither understand nor care about soccer other than being able to pose with their purchased trophies
Foreign owners don't give a frick about your heritage
All they care about is how much money they can milk out of the brands
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The Americans, yes. The arabs and the Russians, no
As a result, the American run clubs are generally shit on the pitch and a joke. Villa are an exception but they have a towel head making the decisions
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The towels voted for the Super League
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
As did abramovich but they were junior partners in the scheme, FOMOing
3 weeks ago
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Villa are an exception because they have a God tier manager that can make average or shit players over perform. Arsenal letting him go was a massive mistake
Arabs are mental about footy and they know how to run a club, unlike the yanks at united, arsenal and chelsea
absolute state of english pride
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
absolute state of seething americans that can't accept your kind can't run a successful football team.
the amount of money chelsea spent should have them in the top 4, bare minimum
i went to the liverpool dortmund friendly a few years back in charlotte and watching soccer in NFL stadiums is EXTREMELY grim
could be kinda cool if they played in soccer specific stadiums but you know they wouldn't because they want to fill a huge nfl stadium.
but regardless this is evil and any (soccer) league that plays ANY game in a foreign country, even charity shield type games, is a fraud league.
Admit it: you guys would absolutely love it if some meme American billionaire (Silicon Valley nerd, Texan oilman, 9th generation Astor, etc) bought Schalke and started pumping crazy money into the club and basically acting like Mark Cuban
Schalke fans would riot and everybody else would be mad as well (but make tons of memes). Nobody minds people putting in money in general of course, but buying the club is impossible and fans would not tolerate it
Britbros... this is your future. The American money did not come without strings attached. The economic colonization of little Britain will only accelerate from here.
>heh at least my Arab bull is better then your yank bull
beyond the pale
did the kneeling truly mindbreak them
did the multi-year humiliation ritual for rorke with a manlet Indian ruler truly break him?
The entire point of the league format is that all teams play each other home and away. If you start playing certain matches abroad in the US then it completely undermines the purpose of the league.
It's not even like you could arrange any of the other English fixtures in the US either. There would be riots if you tried to ruin the FA Cup with this bollocks. People care less about the Carabao Cup, but midweek fixtures probably won't result in the best financial returns for Americans. And with domestic cup competitions, the lower-division teams thrive on the additional money they receive when they host one of the big boys at their own stadium. So it would frick the rest of the pyramid too. The only possible fixture that could logistically be arranged to be played abroad is the Community Shield, but the entire point of that is that the revenue gets donated to charity. So there's little point in playing it in the US for financial reasons. Not to mention that USA timezones would mean the matches are played at an incredibly inconvenient time for English fans.
Maybe in America where the commercialisation pre-dates the formation of the sport and leagues. In Europe the opposite is true.
If they try this it'd cause 10x more outrage than the super league and there's a significant chance the government would get involved. They're already working on creating a regulatory body to look over football as they no longer trust the PL or FA to run it
You do realize it's not the 19th century anymore, right?
Sports aren't a goodwill measure from the rich to the people
The point is to make money
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tell that to Sheik Mansour
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just a rich guy trying to divest his country's riches before the oil runs out
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Again your speaking from an American perspective.
Every time football tried to push too far: MK dons, ticket prices, super league. They ended up getting BTFO by fans and the government. If they tried to do this it'd be an even worse backlash and probably result in government legislation banning overseas competitive games in the PL
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You still have fricking ads on the jerseys
Still play in the Emirates FA Cup
Still play in those shitty preseason tours in foreign countries
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you still have things that don't interrupt the game >this is the same as ads stopping the match every 5 minutes
frick off you dumb c**t
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They're commercials to be sold either way
It was still the working mans sports less than 20 years ago, go be a dumb yank subhuman somewhere else. You people worship money and push for things that don't benefit you at all it just makes other people money, truly a pathetic group of people
>It was still the working mans sports less than 20 years ago
That's naïve
Your teams have just sold out more
Because nobody gives a shit about sponsors on shirts or pre season stuff
So it's not an ad if no one cares?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because nobody gives a shit about sponsors on shirts or pre season stuff
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
None of those things cross the line. There's obviously money in football. Thays just a fact of professionalism.
These thinga would cross the line: >in game ad breaks >closed shop super league >english matches played abroad
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>english matches played abroad
See the league already fricking tried to do this in 2009
And you're blaming the yanks now lmao
In your culture, not for football fans here
If that was true then billionaires wouldn't be interested
A sponsorship is not an advert. If you can't comprehend the difference then there's no point discussing this further because you're a clueless moron.
>A sponsorship is not an advert >This are different if I define them that way
3 weeks ago
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Tried being the operative word
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There are parasites making money out of football (not you Roman or Mansour) but that's not the point of it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>that's not the point of it
It is the point of professional sports
It's a product
It's just a victim of capitalism
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nobody forces you to watch it. I support a lower league team which has no money and loses all the time. Don't like the show, stop watching.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your local mom and pop store is still a capitalist franchise
Doesn't mean the same rules don't apply
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
your mom is a capitalist franchise because she sells sex to black men for meth
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Most football clubs are money pits mate
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
As I said, the goal is in the valuation, not the actual revenues
Sports clubs are basically property in the real estate market
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
But that's not the point of football. It's a financial game that megarich speculators are playing with the big teams because JFs watch our league for some reason. No football fan cares if they win or lose and if they bugger off looking for "value" somewhere else in ten years time nobody will care either. If making money was the purpose of the sport and the owners were actually in control theyd've got their super league.
3 weeks ago
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>No football fan cares
If you don't own a stake then you're practically irrelevant
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do you really not understand or is it an "im a spacker" gimmick?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
A sponsorship is not an advert. If you can't comprehend the difference then there's no point discussing this further because you're a clueless moron.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Sports aren't a goodwill measure from the rich to the people
It was never this, poor people created the clubs and created the leagues. There was no money to be made over 100 years ago from this shit
>The entire point of the league format is that all teams play each other home and away
wrong in the very first sentence. grim
This isn't American sports. Football leagues are designed to determine the objectively best team in the country, and the round-robin format is the best way to achieve that. The fact that English football has turned into a financial behemoth is just a happy accident.
That might have been the point of the old English First Division but you can't even claim that with the Premier League
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It literally is the point of the EPL. It's why people watch
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's to create drama while the owners make profit
>Sports aren't a goodwill measure from the rich to the people
It was never this, poor people created the clubs and created the leagues. There was no money to be made over 100 years ago from this shit
Is it the 1800s? Do clubs still employ amateurs?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was still the working mans sports less than 20 years ago, go be a dumb yank subhuman somewhere else. You people worship money and push for things that don't benefit you at all it just makes other people money, truly a pathetic group of people
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You people worship money
The UK is the home to the City of London, one of the global centres of money worship. Glass houses and all that.
3 weeks ago
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>one city defines at entire continent
shut up you fricking moron
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The UK is a continent now?! God damn my geography teacher was lying all along
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's not just the UK involved in the super league idea, fricking mong
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're not European
Brexit means brexit
You're just London now kek
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
russia starting the biggest war in europe since 1945 has been great for brexit. carry on sucking anglo wieners for weapons LMAO
3 weeks ago
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>if you don't want to be German's Cum sock you're no longer European
Nice try hans. EU =/= Europe
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
In your culture, not for football fans here
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If we just wanted to maximise entertainment, we would have scrapped the league format and shifted to a Superbowl-style setup because knockout competitions are objectively more dramatic than a format where the winner can be decided with two months to go. As commercialised as modern football can be at times, there are still core principles that won't be abandoned. Even the European Super League got mass protests by fans whose clubs were invited, simply because promotion/relegation is the heart and soul of this sport.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If we just wanted to maximise entertainment, we would have scrapped the league format and shifted to a Superbowl-style setup because knockout competitions are objectively more dramatic
There are now, but saying this the champions league has never been as boring as it is now. If you want to shift to that format you need to have forced parity with a drafting system and college leagues, which would make all the investors back out and sell their teams. You can't have a superbowl style league when one or two teams just buy everyone good
You haven't accounted for some teams playing extra non-league games during the EPL season (champions league etc) nor have you mentioned the mid-season transfer window, both of which throw a wrench into your idea of objective analysis because a team can change dramatically from August to May. There are also teams like Everton that are randomly deducted points (mid fricking season), which would cause an uproar in the states.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the league doesn't determine the best team because there's a January transfer window
What waffle is this?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hes coping and desperately flailing around because he wants to see Luton vs Burnley at the George Floyd Arena
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cup competitions are a bonus, they don't change the fact that league position is solely dependent on points earned in league matches. Mid-season transfer windows are also not a problem, it's about determining the best club and not the best group of 25 players (which can be prone to change like you say). And the reason Everton are deducted points is because they cheated and didn't play by the same rules as everyone else.
If you did want to play PL matches in the USA, they would have to be additional fixtures in addition to the usual 38 matches home and away. And since you would have to have each team playing each other the same number of times to keep things fair, that would mean another 19 games for each team at a neutral venue (which is impossible to fit into the current calendar). Alternatively, you could scrap the home/away concept and just play 19/38 games all at a neutral venue. But then you're completely destroying all those local businesses that thrive on matchday customers.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Americans literally can't comprehend the idea of a balanced schedule where everyone plays everyone the same amount of times, its beyond their ken. Thats why they came up with the 39th game idea and then acted baffled when everyone said >this can't possibly work.
i wouldn't mind this. maybe if MLS really takes off we could merge the british an american leagues and seperate from UEFA entirely. it would be worth it just to watch the spanish and italians seethe and their leagues fall further into irrelevance
The NFL has games in London, I don't really see the harm of having a few matches per season played in the States. If both teams agree to it, what's the harm?
The fact yanks bragged about this shows the disconnect in culture.
It's shit because fans would have to travel to watch and teams need to play home games at their home
The PL is currently shitting its pants over the regulator that will be agreed later this year. This is just about the last thing they'd be risking to push for right now, so I wouldn't take this report too seriously
>league is overrun with pay to win saudi owners >brits pretending their league isn't compromised
I picture modern Manchester as essentially andalusian Iberia. Newcastle too, wherever the frick that is located.
Implement a salary cap and free agency system if you want to be taken seriously.
The fact that you think the only purpose of English football is to crown the champions just shows that you are completely oblivious to the true purpose of English football. The title race is only a tiny part of the bigger picture.
Generally these type of people overestimate the value of the product, every small inch like that further erodes Premier leagues good will. Built in the 2000s as a certain market product, now just continously chipped at by vultures trying to sqeeuze a little extra money here and there.
Honestly I think the Super League is a good idea but that's because Europe is a big continent with great infrastructure, that makes you transit between countries quickly, the problems (at least the ones I see) are how local leagues and cups would be affected by this and if the European calendar is big enough for another competition of this magnitude. Another problem would the one exposed on OPs picture, playing competitive games outside Europe which is honestly stupid and obviously a ploy to make even more money which truth be told, the teams of the Super League don't need.
if you want english games in the US, i'd say the only realistic prospect is cup games which are normally played at a neutral stadium (usually wembley). the fans would be seething if a home game was moved to US, but it's different for cup finals etc. an FA cup final like man city vs liverpool being played in the US might be feasible.
>an FA cup final like man city vs liverpool being played in the US might be feasible.
im sure some english fan would be malding about this, esp the older crowd since this is THE english heritage competition
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
but the FA cup semi finals are also played at wembley. maybe if one year a nice juicy fixture like man utd vs liverpool was the FA cup semi final they could hold it in america without too much uproar. sure some people would be mad but if the FA agrees to it there's not much they can do
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The government wouldn't allow it, just like they banned moving teams after mk dons fiasco
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It won't be the FA cup
NBC wants league matches because they air league games
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
good point actually
read an article earlier on the athletic (not sure why i have a subscription tbh i think i got it free from something else but anyway) and it was talking about how NBC has no interest in the champions league or whatever else, they only want the premier league because they want to be the home of the premier league
espn has fa cup now i doubt they're pushing for a cup game here because they seem to not really give a shit as it stands about the fa cup based on the quality of their presentation
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's not on ESPN but ESPN+
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
semantics but yes you're right and that actually further proves my point that espn doesnt really give a shit about their FA cup rights because if they did they'd put the games on their actual channels and not their shitty espn+ streaming service
although i think the final is on a real espn channel? i cant remember
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No the games are advertised as "streaming exclusively on ESPN+"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes i know but i'm not sure what point you're trying to make. ESPN+ is still under the ESPN umbrella if they wanted to put every FA cup game on espn 2 they could if they wanted to, but they don't want to
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they only want the premier league because they want to be the home of the premier league
They don't want the champions league because the champions league plays midweek during US working hours
Meanwhile the majority of EPL games are in the mornings US time where there is basically no competition
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
also a good point and i think that article mentioned that as well that premier league games are basically free money for NBC because it isn't competing against their other sport offerings since they are morning games
that being said, champions league games are tuesday/wednesday in the afternoon so it isn't going to steal viewers from their other sports but you're right that the games being during our workday is probably a part of it. but then why did CBS invest?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but then why did CBS invest?
Just because NBC wasn't interested doesn't mean there isn't any value
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
true. and i meant that why did CBS invest question as kind of an open one.
all that being said i'm tired of CBS's coverage they're trying too hard with richards carragher etc
gimme rebecca lowe and the 2 robbies any day of the week. tim howard i'm indifferent towards he's pretty shit
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Travelling for European matches is seen as a massive inconvenience for clubs. Flying to the USA would be 10 times worse, especially if they're playing an FA Cup semi-final on the weekend and they have a Champions League fixture the following Wednesday.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
if they really want to do it they'll make it work, NFL has found a way with the euro games... if anything the 2 clubs coming to the US would get like a "bye" week after so they can recuperate which would lead to more problems cause they'd have to force more games into a shorter window afterwards
but the powers that be don't care about that they just want money
im not saying you're wrong i'm saying that it doesn't matter what the supporters want because if a critical mass of ownership in the clubs is american (or just greedy as shit) who is going to stop them?
i know the fans revolted when super league was announced and the clubs had to back down but you know they want to do something like that again
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
and let be honest, those protests from the english fans were kinda tame compared to the german or french
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>German fans protested the super league
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i should be more clear about protest in general, in the case of bundesliga it was about more outsider investment
but from a conversation with a german anon it looks like they are slowly losing as well
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they are slowly losing as well
We didn't lose. We protested the super league - the super league got cancelled. I'm sad the demonstrations didn't measure up in your eyes and give you the emotional frission you were looking for. Maybe try Italian or Argie football instead.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They didn't need to be any less tame because the English clubs all reversed their decision within a few hours. If it ever actually came closer to materialising, things would be far worse and the UK government would probably step in because English football is considered culturally important enough to protect (plus it's an easy vote-winner for all the politicians here, even if they don't actually care about football).
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and the UK government would probably step in
is there any mechanism for this to happen relating to laws?
technically speaking it is independent and private companies right? (which is the typical american argument)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well the UK government stepped in when they sanctioned Abramovich and effectively seized control of the club until it got sold to Clearlake.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>is there any mechanism for this to happen relating to laws?
Parliament
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the UK government wouldn't give a single shit if a premier league game was held in the USA
Well the UK government stepped in when they sanctioned Abramovich and effectively seized control of the club until it got sold to Clearlake.
yeah that's because russia started a giant war. kinda different you muppet
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the UK government wouldn't give a single shit if a premier league game was held in the USA
Stopping it would be piss easy and an instant vote winner with bilateral support
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
football is a sport mate. nobody really cares when it comes to politics when they can't get a doctors appointment or whatever
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The super league sent the country mental for two days. The onions boy who does the Novara Media current affairs podcast did an episode on it and said "I know nothing about football but it feels like a revolution" kek
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you have autism
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cheers
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The point is that if the UK government didn't care about maintaining a "culturally important institution" like Chelsea, they would have allowed the club to be liquidated.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, they're currently working on a regulator and there's legislation being written to stop teams joining a super league.
They also created a law to stop teams being moved locations following the MK dons/Wimbledon situation
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>MK dons/Wimbledon situation
oh i saw this mentioned last month by a brit poster
gonna find some video to learn about this more
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>who is going to stop them?
The government regulator
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>who is going to stop them? >The government regulator
Private Eye has been running pieces for months about how the Premier League is wining and dining MPs at football matches and other exclusive VIP events in an attempt to water down the inevitable legislation.
Same as the gambling industry and a bunch of others, and they're gonna succeed with New New Labour just like all the private interests did with Old New Labour.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
People forget that despite all the money in footy, the amounts are actually quite small in the scheme of things and certainly compared to how much people care about the sport. Man United's market cap is about a third of JD Sports. Footy is way more valuable politically than commercially.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Don't forget paying off the National League to support scrapping FA Cup replays
I don't see how this will be more valuable than the already existing pre-season tours
Unless they get Man United-Chelsea on primetime the week before the super bowl
You don't see how an actually competitive game that will be charge ticket prices as such will be more valuable than mediocre exhibitions between reserves?
Clubs get all the money from ticket sales when they play a match at their home stadium. If they played that same match in a US stadium, they'd be splitting the profits with whoever owns that stadium. Not to mention the additional cost of transport and all the associated logistics. And to top it all off, American pitches are terrible compared to the properly-maintained English football pitches. So teams would be worried about their star players getting injured.
I don't like soccer but England seems really fricking snippy about soccer being a way to make money. I don't get the problem. You try to grow the brand, you see what happens. The sport is still there for you when it returns.
>i don't understand why fans that don't benefit in any way don't want all of these shitty changes that do nothing but line the pockets of advertisers and corrupt officials
fans will never allow it to happen. we saw what happened when the big six all casually tweeted they were leaving the EPL. fans immediately took to the streets and within a few hours, they backed down
Haha no fricking chance. Enjoy Madrid v Betis
>I want all the economic benefits of globalization in my sportswashed league ran by sheiks and consortiums but you can't play league games in other countries because.... because you cant okay?
There's a red line and you can't cross it. Go and cry in the corner fat lad.
Aww is the wittle baby gonna cwy when Aston Villa vs Arsenal happens in Los Angeles?
Seethe on fatty
Nobody in the UK wants sheiks or israelites owning our teams fatman
Go watch League One football then. EPL is a global league for customers, not for "english" fans.
Anglos can't even watch their own league legally because of some 3pm cuck rule so they all flood onto foreigners streams to watch
>still calling an island full of britons, celts, normans, danes, romans an anglo country
only thing more moronic is saying the USA is just an anglo country
there are extremely few Normans or danes in the uk
Go read a history book you moron
It's just a larp because you don't want to accept that you're Celtic
There's less Celtic heritage on the main island, if you want to claim Ireland is mostly Celtic sure, but in England, definitely not. Especially eastern England which was a landing spot for invaders.
shoulda got 50+1
Alas you're now cucked forever to the slavery of sports capitalism
Every top team has been owned by those two groups since around 2009, stop living in the past. Most people have accepted it
City fans don't care. Newcastle fans don't care. Chelsea fans don't care (unless they are doing badly in the league).
Cry about it. Your masters own you and your clubs and there's nothing you can do about it. At least the Germans have self-respect enough to enforce 50+1 fan majority at their clubs. You don't.
The only fans that do care are teams that lack the same funds, Newcastle fans were whining about Arab owners until they got one themselves
Oh no the Super League will definitely be happening then
>at least the Germans have self-respect enough to enforce 50+1 fan majority at their clubs. You don't.
>you dont have the self respect to jack in 150 years of practice and follow the Germans
ABEism is literally a mental disease.
must’ve dreamt all those Newcastle fans celebrating the Saudi takeover then
You know it's inevitable right?
We own you
good. keep sending us all your nuclear weapons and fighter jets, my colonial cousin. love you <3
Make me watch NFL then
hey, get me another beer!
Can't wait for ad breaks every 5 minutes. Fricking Americans
I have to replish my snacks and insulin
The only possible way to show ads during a match is when there's a VAR decision being made, which makes me think VAR was more about ads being implemented than any other reason..
The absolute worst case scenario would be picture-in-picture ads as the game is being played
>The absolute worst case scenario would be picture-in-picture ads as the game is being played
I see this sometimes in streams, don’t remember if it was on burger channels tho
Ive seen it on mexican and South African streams
Super league is dead, next year there will be Girona and Bologna in CL while Chelsea and Man United will not be there, communism won in the end
Communism won being rich clubs spent hundreds of millions on shit players?
>hey should we strengthen each others sports in our respective countries?
>nah we should instead host nfl games in europe and epl games in america
i fricking hate israelites and the irish (gingerjews) so much it's unreal
This in itself should be enough to never ever sell rights to NBC again.
Of course the premier league suits will see dollar signs but everyone else should be prepared to invade in order to protect our heritage.
It's actually Todd Boehly who is pushing for it the most
what a legend
>everyone else should be prepared to invade in order to protect our heritage.
You sold all your teams to Arabs and corporations. All your teams are overpaying and going defunct left and right. There is no heritage left.
I didn't sell anything mate
Lmao. The heritage is fine. Your fat c**t suits tried shenanigans the other year and got told to do one by fans of big clubs fans of small clubs, players, pundits, journos, MPs from every party and the Royal Family - and everyone here hates each other. Keep paying your tv money so we can buy top dadda players, or don't, nobody cares.
brutal but fair
the Anglo doesn't like this truth
the yank owner cucked him
your sport is dominated by oil money owners from another continent who neither understand nor care about soccer other than being able to pose with their purchased trophies
arabs love football, it's the americans who are clueless and need kicking out of the sport
Foreign owners don't give a frick about your heritage
All they care about is how much money they can milk out of the brands
The Americans, yes. The arabs and the Russians, no
As a result, the American run clubs are generally shit on the pitch and a joke. Villa are an exception but they have a towel head making the decisions
The towels voted for the Super League
As did abramovich but they were junior partners in the scheme, FOMOing
Villa are an exception because they have a God tier manager that can make average or shit players over perform. Arsenal letting him go was a massive mistake
absolute state of english pride
absolute state of seething americans that can't accept your kind can't run a successful football team.
the amount of money chelsea spent should have them in the top 4, bare minimum
Trust the process. Boehly's in control
Arabs are mental about footy and they know how to run a club, unlike the yanks at united, arsenal and chelsea
The EPL already tried to do this with the 39th game before NBC was a bidder
You guys have been selling your heritage to Americans for at least the last two centuries. This is just another step in that process.
>heritage
>under globalized capitalism
>dem teeth
klopp?
i went to the liverpool dortmund friendly a few years back in charlotte and watching soccer in NFL stadiums is EXTREMELY grim
could be kinda cool if they played in soccer specific stadiums but you know they wouldn't because they want to fill a huge nfl stadium.
but regardless this is evil and any (soccer) league that plays ANY game in a foreign country, even charity shield type games, is a fraud league.
What's so bad about it? I mean, the pitch size isn't a real problem, right?
the seats are built more outwards than upwards so the sightlines are not optimal for soccer.
Why would anyone want to watch jf teams play in their country? Bizarre. Watch your own leagues you weridos.
Zoomers hate MLS
they're not your team. Hated foreigners own them.
You're a number in their accounting books.
You can never have 50+1
Nobody cares who owns football clubs apart from krauts and butthurt ABE Americans
You were seething for years about kneeling and it was all because of your owners
>50+1
Admit it: you guys would absolutely love it if some meme American billionaire (Silicon Valley nerd, Texan oilman, 9th generation Astor, etc) bought Schalke and started pumping crazy money into the club and basically acting like Mark Cuban
Schalke fans would riot and everybody else would be mad as well (but make tons of memes). Nobody minds people putting in money in general of course, but buying the club is impossible and fans would not tolerate it
why are Hispanics so assblasted about this
Its not happening
I hate America so much.
Hey this isn't just us
The Yuros have been trying this for a while
moors*
it's only the Spanish who want this garbage
Britbros... this is your future. The American money did not come without strings attached. The economic colonization of little Britain will only accelerate from here.
We sold you London Bridge again. Ta very much. And pay your Peawiener subscription
NBC Sports executed their opt out clause months in and the games were auctioned off to trash tier platforms…why even post nonsense like this?
wtf are you talking about
NBC still has the rights and paid a lot of money for it
>heh at least my Arab bull is better then your yank bull
beyond the pale
did the kneeling truly mindbreak them
did the multi-year humiliation ritual for rorke with a manlet Indian ruler truly break him?
>1 billion UK dollars for 12th? I can do it for 1.5
The entire point of the league format is that all teams play each other home and away. If you start playing certain matches abroad in the US then it completely undermines the purpose of the league.
It's not even like you could arrange any of the other English fixtures in the US either. There would be riots if you tried to ruin the FA Cup with this bollocks. People care less about the Carabao Cup, but midweek fixtures probably won't result in the best financial returns for Americans. And with domestic cup competitions, the lower-division teams thrive on the additional money they receive when they host one of the big boys at their own stadium. So it would frick the rest of the pyramid too. The only possible fixture that could logistically be arranged to be played abroad is the Community Shield, but the entire point of that is that the revenue gets donated to charity. So there's little point in playing it in the US for financial reasons. Not to mention that USA timezones would mean the matches are played at an incredibly inconvenient time for English fans.
>then it completely undermines the purpose of the league
M8 the point of the league is to make money
Sport is just the medium to sell tickets
you're thinking of american sports
Not saying our sports aren't and even worse
But I mean your jerseys has ads on them
It's a commercial league
>the point of the league is to make money
yeah?
Club valuations have exploded
Most of those clubs are worth over 400% more than they were 10 years ago
And a valuation is meaningless until you actually sell.
And Boehly will make a ton when he does
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Maybe in America where the commercialisation pre-dates the formation of the sport and leagues. In Europe the opposite is true.
If they try this it'd cause 10x more outrage than the super league and there's a significant chance the government would get involved. They're already working on creating a regulatory body to look over football as they no longer trust the PL or FA to run it
You do realize it's not the 19th century anymore, right?
Sports aren't a goodwill measure from the rich to the people
The point is to make money
Tell that to Sheik Mansour
Just a rich guy trying to divest his country's riches before the oil runs out
Again your speaking from an American perspective.
Every time football tried to push too far: MK dons, ticket prices, super league. They ended up getting BTFO by fans and the government. If they tried to do this it'd be an even worse backlash and probably result in government legislation banning overseas competitive games in the PL
You still have fricking ads on the jerseys
Still play in the Emirates FA Cup
Still play in those shitty preseason tours in foreign countries
>you still have things that don't interrupt the game
>this is the same as ads stopping the match every 5 minutes
frick off you dumb c**t
They're commercials to be sold either way
>It was still the working mans sports less than 20 years ago
That's naïve
Your teams have just sold out more
So it's not an ad if no one cares?
Because nobody gives a shit about sponsors on shirts or pre season stuff
None of those things cross the line. There's obviously money in football. Thays just a fact of professionalism.
These thinga would cross the line:
>in game ad breaks
>closed shop super league
>english matches played abroad
>english matches played abroad
See the league already fricking tried to do this in 2009
And you're blaming the yanks now lmao
If that was true then billionaires wouldn't be interested
>A sponsorship is not an advert
>This are different if I define them that way
Tried being the operative word
There are parasites making money out of football (not you Roman or Mansour) but that's not the point of it.
>that's not the point of it
It is the point of professional sports
It's a product
It's just a victim of capitalism
Nobody forces you to watch it. I support a lower league team which has no money and loses all the time. Don't like the show, stop watching.
Your local mom and pop store is still a capitalist franchise
Doesn't mean the same rules don't apply
your mom is a capitalist franchise because she sells sex to black men for meth
Most football clubs are money pits mate
As I said, the goal is in the valuation, not the actual revenues
Sports clubs are basically property in the real estate market
But that's not the point of football. It's a financial game that megarich speculators are playing with the big teams because JFs watch our league for some reason. No football fan cares if they win or lose and if they bugger off looking for "value" somewhere else in ten years time nobody will care either. If making money was the purpose of the sport and the owners were actually in control theyd've got their super league.
>No football fan cares
If you don't own a stake then you're practically irrelevant
Do you really not understand or is it an "im a spacker" gimmick?
A sponsorship is not an advert. If you can't comprehend the difference then there's no point discussing this further because you're a clueless moron.
>Sports aren't a goodwill measure from the rich to the people
It was never this, poor people created the clubs and created the leagues. There was no money to be made over 100 years ago from this shit
This isn't American sports. Football leagues are designed to determine the objectively best team in the country, and the round-robin format is the best way to achieve that. The fact that English football has turned into a financial behemoth is just a happy accident.
That might have been the point of the old English First Division but you can't even claim that with the Premier League
It literally is the point of the EPL. It's why people watch
It's to create drama while the owners make profit
Is it the 1800s? Do clubs still employ amateurs?
It was still the working mans sports less than 20 years ago, go be a dumb yank subhuman somewhere else. You people worship money and push for things that don't benefit you at all it just makes other people money, truly a pathetic group of people
>You people worship money
The UK is the home to the City of London, one of the global centres of money worship. Glass houses and all that.
>one city defines at entire continent
shut up you fricking moron
The UK is a continent now?! God damn my geography teacher was lying all along
It's not just the UK involved in the super league idea, fricking mong
you're not European
Brexit means brexit
You're just London now kek
russia starting the biggest war in europe since 1945 has been great for brexit. carry on sucking anglo wieners for weapons LMAO
>if you don't want to be German's Cum sock you're no longer European
Nice try hans. EU =/= Europe
In your culture, not for football fans here
If we just wanted to maximise entertainment, we would have scrapped the league format and shifted to a Superbowl-style setup because knockout competitions are objectively more dramatic than a format where the winner can be decided with two months to go. As commercialised as modern football can be at times, there are still core principles that won't be abandoned. Even the European Super League got mass protests by fans whose clubs were invited, simply because promotion/relegation is the heart and soul of this sport.
>If we just wanted to maximise entertainment, we would have scrapped the league format and shifted to a Superbowl-style setup because knockout competitions are objectively more dramatic
There are now, but saying this the champions league has never been as boring as it is now. If you want to shift to that format you need to have forced parity with a drafting system and college leagues, which would make all the investors back out and sell their teams. You can't have a superbowl style league when one or two teams just buy everyone good
You haven't accounted for some teams playing extra non-league games during the EPL season (champions league etc) nor have you mentioned the mid-season transfer window, both of which throw a wrench into your idea of objective analysis because a team can change dramatically from August to May. There are also teams like Everton that are randomly deducted points (mid fricking season), which would cause an uproar in the states.
>the league doesn't determine the best team because there's a January transfer window
What waffle is this?
Hes coping and desperately flailing around because he wants to see Luton vs Burnley at the George Floyd Arena
Cup competitions are a bonus, they don't change the fact that league position is solely dependent on points earned in league matches. Mid-season transfer windows are also not a problem, it's about determining the best club and not the best group of 25 players (which can be prone to change like you say). And the reason Everton are deducted points is because they cheated and didn't play by the same rules as everyone else.
If you did want to play PL matches in the USA, they would have to be additional fixtures in addition to the usual 38 matches home and away. And since you would have to have each team playing each other the same number of times to keep things fair, that would mean another 19 games for each team at a neutral venue (which is impossible to fit into the current calendar). Alternatively, you could scrap the home/away concept and just play 19/38 games all at a neutral venue. But then you're completely destroying all those local businesses that thrive on matchday customers.
Americans literally can't comprehend the idea of a balanced schedule where everyone plays everyone the same amount of times, its beyond their ken. Thats why they came up with the 39th game idea and then acted baffled when everyone said >this can't possibly work.
>The entire point of the league format is that all teams play each other home and away
wrong in the very first sentence. grim
i wouldn't mind this. maybe if MLS really takes off we could merge the british an american leagues and seperate from UEFA entirely. it would be worth it just to watch the spanish and italians seethe and their leagues fall further into irrelevance
kek didn't anglos shift their precious kickoff times just to accommodate yank viewers
And chinese. Kick off tines aren't precious tho
we invented the entire fricking game. and no amount of european cope and seethe changes that fact.
The NFL has games in London, I don't really see the harm of having a few matches per season played in the States. If both teams agree to it, what's the harm?
kys overseas yanktard
The fact yanks bragged about this shows the disconnect in culture.
It's shit because fans would have to travel to watch and teams need to play home games at their home
The PL is currently shitting its pants over the regulator that will be agreed later this year. This is just about the last thing they'd be risking to push for right now, so I wouldn't take this report too seriously
You realize that regulator isn't about what you hope it is but is part of your continuing humiliation ritual as a rorke, right?
You'll be kneeling forever and going to jail for tweets
that's your fate rorke
Say one positive thing about the Nazis, you're going to prison
You go to jail for an emoji
This would be a catalyst for the government regulator, which is already inevitable, and would be the first thing they would undo in a hurry.
>single German currently sharting his pants across every thread on the front page
Grim, its 2am there
>league is overrun with pay to win saudi owners
>brits pretending their league isn't compromised
I picture modern Manchester as essentially andalusian Iberia. Newcastle too, wherever the frick that is located.
Implement a salary cap and free agency system if you want to be taken seriously.
>I picture modern Manchester as essentially andalusian
Yes you're a fat foreign moron who doesn't know what he's on about
Why do Americans always take such pride in ignorance?
same reason yuros do
The fact that you think the only purpose of English football is to crown the champions just shows that you are completely oblivious to the true purpose of English football. The title race is only a tiny part of the bigger picture.
Thread chant:
https://youtube.com/shorts/PU7fuCz8oT8?si=835qOC4XCUPhRjpc
Love the man. He generates so much seethe.
>Americans trying to grasp the concept of principles in the face of making money
>principles
>in face of making money
>that flag
m8...
Generally these type of people overestimate the value of the product, every small inch like that further erodes Premier leagues good will. Built in the 2000s as a certain market product, now just continously chipped at by vultures trying to sqeeuze a little extra money here and there.
Honestly I think the Super League is a good idea but that's because Europe is a big continent with great infrastructure, that makes you transit between countries quickly, the problems (at least the ones I see) are how local leagues and cups would be affected by this and if the European calendar is big enough for another competition of this magnitude. Another problem would the one exposed on OPs picture, playing competitive games outside Europe which is honestly stupid and obviously a ploy to make even more money which truth be told, the teams of the Super League don't need.
PL games being played in the US will never happen.
bet?
i hope you're right but aren't those sort of things put to a vote for the 20 clubs? >we already own or have a stake in like half of them
if you want english games in the US, i'd say the only realistic prospect is cup games which are normally played at a neutral stadium (usually wembley). the fans would be seething if a home game was moved to US, but it's different for cup finals etc. an FA cup final like man city vs liverpool being played in the US might be feasible.
>an FA cup final like man city vs liverpool being played in the US might be feasible.
im sure some english fan would be malding about this, esp the older crowd since this is THE english heritage competition
but the FA cup semi finals are also played at wembley. maybe if one year a nice juicy fixture like man utd vs liverpool was the FA cup semi final they could hold it in america without too much uproar. sure some people would be mad but if the FA agrees to it there's not much they can do
The government wouldn't allow it, just like they banned moving teams after mk dons fiasco
It won't be the FA cup
NBC wants league matches because they air league games
good point actually
read an article earlier on the athletic (not sure why i have a subscription tbh i think i got it free from something else but anyway) and it was talking about how NBC has no interest in the champions league or whatever else, they only want the premier league because they want to be the home of the premier league
espn has fa cup now i doubt they're pushing for a cup game here because they seem to not really give a shit as it stands about the fa cup based on the quality of their presentation
It's not on ESPN but ESPN+
semantics but yes you're right and that actually further proves my point that espn doesnt really give a shit about their FA cup rights because if they did they'd put the games on their actual channels and not their shitty espn+ streaming service
although i think the final is on a real espn channel? i cant remember
No the games are advertised as "streaming exclusively on ESPN+"
yes i know but i'm not sure what point you're trying to make. ESPN+ is still under the ESPN umbrella if they wanted to put every FA cup game on espn 2 they could if they wanted to, but they don't want to
>they only want the premier league because they want to be the home of the premier league
They don't want the champions league because the champions league plays midweek during US working hours
Meanwhile the majority of EPL games are in the mornings US time where there is basically no competition
also a good point and i think that article mentioned that as well that premier league games are basically free money for NBC because it isn't competing against their other sport offerings since they are morning games
that being said, champions league games are tuesday/wednesday in the afternoon so it isn't going to steal viewers from their other sports but you're right that the games being during our workday is probably a part of it. but then why did CBS invest?
>but then why did CBS invest?
Just because NBC wasn't interested doesn't mean there isn't any value
true. and i meant that why did CBS invest question as kind of an open one.
all that being said i'm tired of CBS's coverage they're trying too hard with richards carragher etc
gimme rebecca lowe and the 2 robbies any day of the week. tim howard i'm indifferent towards he's pretty shit
Travelling for European matches is seen as a massive inconvenience for clubs. Flying to the USA would be 10 times worse, especially if they're playing an FA Cup semi-final on the weekend and they have a Champions League fixture the following Wednesday.
if they really want to do it they'll make it work, NFL has found a way with the euro games... if anything the 2 clubs coming to the US would get like a "bye" week after so they can recuperate which would lead to more problems cause they'd have to force more games into a shorter window afterwards
but the powers that be don't care about that they just want money
im not saying you're wrong i'm saying that it doesn't matter what the supporters want because if a critical mass of ownership in the clubs is american (or just greedy as shit) who is going to stop them?
i know the fans revolted when super league was announced and the clubs had to back down but you know they want to do something like that again
and let be honest, those protests from the english fans were kinda tame compared to the german or french
>German fans protested the super league
i should be more clear about protest in general, in the case of bundesliga it was about more outsider investment
but from a conversation with a german anon it looks like they are slowly losing as well
>they are slowly losing as well
We didn't lose. We protested the super league - the super league got cancelled. I'm sad the demonstrations didn't measure up in your eyes and give you the emotional frission you were looking for. Maybe try Italian or Argie football instead.
They didn't need to be any less tame because the English clubs all reversed their decision within a few hours. If it ever actually came closer to materialising, things would be far worse and the UK government would probably step in because English football is considered culturally important enough to protect (plus it's an easy vote-winner for all the politicians here, even if they don't actually care about football).
>and the UK government would probably step in
is there any mechanism for this to happen relating to laws?
technically speaking it is independent and private companies right? (which is the typical american argument)
Well the UK government stepped in when they sanctioned Abramovich and effectively seized control of the club until it got sold to Clearlake.
>is there any mechanism for this to happen relating to laws?
Parliament
the UK government wouldn't give a single shit if a premier league game was held in the USA
yeah that's because russia started a giant war. kinda different you muppet
>the UK government wouldn't give a single shit if a premier league game was held in the USA
Stopping it would be piss easy and an instant vote winner with bilateral support
football is a sport mate. nobody really cares when it comes to politics when they can't get a doctors appointment or whatever
The super league sent the country mental for two days. The onions boy who does the Novara Media current affairs podcast did an episode on it and said "I know nothing about football but it feels like a revolution" kek
you have autism
Cheers
The point is that if the UK government didn't care about maintaining a "culturally important institution" like Chelsea, they would have allowed the club to be liquidated.
Yes, they're currently working on a regulator and there's legislation being written to stop teams joining a super league.
They also created a law to stop teams being moved locations following the MK dons/Wimbledon situation
>MK dons/Wimbledon situation
oh i saw this mentioned last month by a brit poster
gonna find some video to learn about this more
>who is going to stop them?
The government regulator
>>who is going to stop them?
>The government regulator
Private Eye has been running pieces for months about how the Premier League is wining and dining MPs at football matches and other exclusive VIP events in an attempt to water down the inevitable legislation.
Same as the gambling industry and a bunch of others, and they're gonna succeed with New New Labour just like all the private interests did with Old New Labour.
People forget that despite all the money in footy, the amounts are actually quite small in the scheme of things and certainly compared to how much people care about the sport. Man United's market cap is about a third of JD Sports. Footy is way more valuable politically than commercially.
Don't forget paying off the National League to support scrapping FA Cup replays
Mate there's no way that happens. They won't even play the cup final in Manchester or Birmingham
I don't see how this will be more valuable than the already existing pre-season tours
Unless they get Man United-Chelsea on primetime the week before the super bowl
teams used to do asia tour and shit, now everybody and their mom want the american bucks
You don't see how an actually competitive game that will be charge ticket prices as such will be more valuable than mediocre exhibitions between reserves?
I don't see how Manchester City-Brentford would more attractive even if it was a real league game
Clubs get all the money from ticket sales when they play a match at their home stadium. If they played that same match in a US stadium, they'd be splitting the profits with whoever owns that stadium. Not to mention the additional cost of transport and all the associated logistics. And to top it all off, American pitches are terrible compared to the properly-maintained English football pitches. So teams would be worried about their star players getting injured.
>properly-maintained English football pitches
Kek
We fricking own you and you'll do as you're told.
mad how Yanks absolutely own bongs on this
they literally own them too kek
>went to sleep
>wake up to more replies in here
>this guy is still obsessing over england
I don't like soccer but England seems really fricking snippy about soccer being a way to make money. I don't get the problem. You try to grow the brand, you see what happens. The sport is still there for you when it returns.
>I don't get the problem
Yes, you don't get it
>i don't understand why fans that don't benefit in any way don't want all of these shitty changes that do nothing but line the pockets of advertisers and corrupt officials
fans will never allow it to happen. we saw what happened when the big six all casually tweeted they were leaving the EPL. fans immediately took to the streets and within a few hours, they backed down
sports?
It'll be cool if european football leagues have drafts like American sports