>the WWE machine overrates him
>the fans underrate him
What is his true legacy?
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>the WWE machine overrates him. >the fans underrate him
>the WWE machine overrates him
>the fans underrate him
What is his true legacy?
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Fans overrate him too, e-drones legit think he's not only a main event calibur star but one of the best wrestlers of all time. WWE polls routinely have dronies vote him in the top 10
That's because the people who take the polls grew up in the era when he was basically forced to the top by his father-in-law.
As a wrestler, I don't think HHH deserves a spot on anyone's Mt. Rushmore. He was a one note talent with a limited in ring ability. If it weren't for the fact he was fricking the owners daughter, he'd have MAYBE made it to the mid-card title scene, or as someone who existed for the top talent to squash.
As a presenter, I find his style to be extremely slow and predictable. I'm willing to give him time to grow into the role, but as of now, I can't say I'm impressed. When he starts delivering a shocker here or there as well as picks up the pace with some of his story telling, I'll think higher of him.
>MAYBE made it to the mid-card title scene
Imagine being an obese smelly smark devoting your entire sad life to wrestling and not knowing that Triple H was a multiple time WWF champion and WON Wrestler of the Year before he started dating Stephanie.
Triple H is one of the GOATs. Incredibly underrated and underappreciated. The guy could get people over like a motherfricker and could tell an entire story with one facial expression. Could work babyface or heel equally as well. Has an array of factions he's left to history. Was one of those guys you got to see naturally work his way up the card and win each title and grow along the way to finally becoming a world champion. I say all of this as what would be considered an aewtist on here too. I watch both but primarily enjoy aew lately. Is WWE going to overrate him? Of course. Is it baseless? Not by any means
Just behind Stone Cold and Rocky during the AE
And Jericho, Undertaker, Kane, Foley, Vince, Stephanie, Shane, the Tag Teams, X-Pac, Chyna, Benoit, Angle etc
In my school, everyone wanted to be Austin, Rock, or HHH. You think all those homosexuals you mentioned moved the needle even slightly?
I was a 8-9 year old little Triple H mark. Him turning heel on DX was based to me
Same here bro. He had cool hair unlike Austin
I've found my people. Hope you have a great weekend anon
I never forgave him because I fricking hated the rock and working for Vince was rock shit
Without turning heel he would have been more over than the Rock heading to mania 2000
>I never forgave him because I fricking hated the rock and working for Vince was rock shit
Kek that's the best though. I love how much we bought into things back then
>In my school, everyone wanted to be Austin, Rock, or HHH.
the kid who wanted to be HHH was always the biggest gay of the group
I always wanted to be Benoit, always did the crossface. He ruined everything
No
Maybe on planet moron.
This, Paul was unironically never over his entire career outside of a brief 3 month period in 2000.
Tell me you were born after the AE without telling me that. 99-2000 Triple H was more over and dimes than anyone.
No you weren't paul, have a nice day
Oh shit, it's the "I'm out of arguments so I'll pretend I'm talking to the wrestler" troony. What's good, bro?
>99-2000 Triple H was more over and dimes than anyone
That isn't even fricking close to reality lmao
he was tho, obviously rock/austin was over than hhh but the point still stands
No he wasn't, he was Jeff Jarrett tier
facts
he got a push for banging the boss' daughter and Rock and Austin were already eyeballing the door out, Pauletty has never wrestled a great match, cut a memorable promo or drew a thin finna dime in his vanilla jabroni life
Your headcanon would make more sense if he wasn't still dating Chyna when he first became world champion, troony
Plans were already in place to become a transitional champion at the start of 1999 because the roster was thin and Big Show flopped
He was still more than a main event guy at that point. All the rivalries he had between Rock and Foley and Austin had been going for at least a year by the time he won the world title. It was just some John Morrison-like hotshot because they needed someone while Austin and Mick were out hurt. He was ready and would've been the one to win it at some point going forward. Him and the Undertaker were to the two top heels at the moment and Deadman was more than ready to frick off for a bit himself
he politicked his way into the main event by riding Shawnetty's coattails after HBK polished Vince's knob ya mark, get a clue
He was over when he came back in 2002 from the quad injury. Before that he had no heat, and then during evolution days he had go away heat.
I can understand how ruthless aggression kiddies would think he's an awesome top heel, but it's like someone who missed Roman as the "big dog" and only knows him as the tribal chief saying he has always been good as a heel. It's pure revisionist history.
There is no way you were watching during the AE. HHH was massively over. You guys are moronic if you think fricking JERICHO was more liked by normies. Literally insane. Suck it, DX, the water spit are all way above anything Jericho ever did. Foley and Kane were extremely over and popular but HHH still mogged them when it came to normies.
You are fricking delusional
>Foley and Kane were extremely over and popular but HHH still mogged them when it came to normies.
Every part of this post is completely delusional, but this is the most delusional part.
This is just from my experience as a kid growing up. Everyone around me loved HHH. Quite a few of my friends liked him over Austin/Rock.
Smarks only hate on him because he stuck around, got old and boring, and fricked Stephanie. To deny he was top 5 let alone top 10 or 20 is absolutely moronic.
Again, Smarks were the people who liked Triple H back then idiot. They literally voted him wrestler of the year in 2000. It wasn't until 2002 when they realized he sucked that smarks turned on HHH.
yeah bro all those kids on the playground were huge smarks lmao
>Everyone around me loved HHH. Quite a few of my friends liked him over Austin/Rock.
maybe on planet homosexual
Even if we exclude Rock Austin Jericho and Foley, Paul still wouldn't be anywhere near the top 10 most over people during the Attitude Era. If you include WCW guys then he'd not even sniff the top 20
sad but true
>HHH was massively over.
No he wasn't. HHH was over, sure, but he was nowhere near massively over. He took a back seat to all the top guys.
Lol I love it when mega zoomers try and rewrite history cause they saw a documentary.
Y2J was objectively more over than HHH. The clown over at AEW today isn't the same guy, when Jericho's name popped up on the titantron everyone lost their minds cause they loved him. Jericho went straight to the main event scene working with The Rock and Austin. Didn't even need any intros.
Everyone is telling you you're wrong but you so desperately want to be wrong. Probably that weird kid in the playground who liked HHH that no one ever liked
Literally no normie gives a shit about Jericho and never did. He had a huge debut in WWF and that's it.
He was nowhere near the main event scene whenever it mattered. I don't give a shit what you revisionist smark homosexuals say. Acting like HHH was a mid carder but fricking JERICHO was austin/rock tier is hysterical. Smarks live on a different planet, they really do.
Again, Smarks on the internet forums were HHH's only audience back then. Marks in the arena were the ones popping every time Jericho's music hit or whenever he said one of his popular catchphrases that he had on T-Shirts or signs all over the arena.
Jericho was smark favorite when he was vanilla midget in fricking WCW.
No he wasn't, smarks always liked Chris Benoit the most amongst any WCW workers and it really wasn't close either.
>Literally no normie gives a shit about Jericho and never did.
lololololol. Jericho was over back when normies were the audience for wrestling. Of course normies liked him. He was never Austin/Rock tier but he was way ahead of Triple H.
Only thing Jericho is known for is calling Stephanie McMahon a bawd. DX/Suck it >>> anything Jericho ever did in WWF
New Age Outlaws were BY FAR the most over members of DX, nobody gave a shit about HHH or even Shawn that much. The Outlaws were so fricking popular that they basically carried the tag division on their back before 2000
I bet you think DX was as big as the nWo too kek
they were THOUGHEVERBEIT
"No."
proof, lil troon troon?
you just had to be there, lil zoom zoom. DX was never as big as nWo, it's not even close.
>still provides no proof
ok boomer
Anon the proof is literally just watching Raw and then watching Nitro.
im not doing that, homie
You can always tell who's a zoomer by whether or not they believe WWE's revisionist history that DX was as big as the nWo tbh
>"NOOOOO YOU ARE LE YOUNGER THAN ME YOU MUST BE BAD, I CANT GET MY DICK HARD SAVE ME VIAGRAMAN"
luh-mao
I'm 31. I don't even watch modern wrestling very much anymore.
Nah, I wouldn't go that far. Suck it was everywhere though.
No normie has even heard of hhh anon.
Most over in dx was:
Outlaws
Chyna
Shawn (would be too but sat home for the main period)
XPac/hhh switched back and forth over most annoying member.
Jericho had already gotten himself massively over with the fans in WCW to the point he was positioned as the world title contender to Bill Goldberg during his streak, before the lousy israelite backed out at the last minute. It's moronic how much revisionism there is as if he wasn't already very popular before he jumped ship. His arrival in WWE only amplified his star power even more.
Rob Van Dam was another guy who was really fricking over at the time he jumped ship during the Invasion, go listen to the pops he was getting on a weekly basis that year. HHH only had like one month his whole career where he got reactions and that was pre-Royal Rumble 2002
all facts
>HHH was the most over guy from 99 to 2000
>actually Austin and Rock were more over
>so the point is wrong
>but it still stands
nice reading comprehension, troony
Nah that's you
Unironically this, /thread. Least over member of DX, always carried by a faction since he can't promo, forced down everyone's throats in every single relevant storyline and PPV. Not even Roman Reigns was shilled more than Paul
Depends,
Austin
Rock
Mick/Hunter
Taker
Shawn/Bret
He was further behind. Like number 8 out of 10.
Let's see:
>Austin
>Rock
>Foley
>Y2J
>Angle
>Taker
>Dudleyz
>Hardyz
All ahead of him
Unironically this anon has it right, perfect list.
A heel behind all of those babyfaces? You don't say. As a babyface in 98 though he was extremely popular with DX. Those years you'd see wrestling merch fricking everywhere of all kinds. Wish I appreciated it more as a kid. But there was always a set list of names you'd be guaranteed to see shit for
>Austin
>Undertaker
>Rock
>Kane
>Sable
>Mankind
>DX
He was Shawn's janetty. He wasn't over in 98, he was about as over as Pat Mcafee is "over"...ironically enough Shawn getting injured was what kickstarted his career, otherwise he was slumping off into being a permanent midcarder all the while Austin and The Rock became main-eventers.
Shawn never drew a fricking dime and the company almost went under when he was on top.
You smarks are hilarious man.
Add commissioner shawn,val venus, god father,APA
And Al Snow. And Head.
Consider having sex
>seething over defending Pauletty's honor this hard
no u
Paul paid me, I gotta my job you'd understand yea?
>What is his true legacy?
marrying the c**t
he's one of the greatest heels of all time, people got worked by him so hard they're still seething uncontrolably to this day
Checked. HHH was my favorite post-Attituded Era. Loved Evolution. He was a fantastic heel.
wrestling's most accomplished nepo babby
>nepo baby
I don't think you understand what that term means
>rides kliq coat tails into prime time politicking
>marries bosses daughter and makes himself main eventer
nepo babby
Except he was already hired before he was friends with those guys, and a world champion before he and Stephanie even started working together just as an onscreen couple. It's just not true in his case
The only time I would consider him overrated was end of an era and that match was still good. That one ppv where he was hurt and had to fight Orton twice was silly though.
good main eventer, reign of terror exposed his ceiling but he's very much fine in the main event scene
once he married in the revisionism started happening around DX and HHH's role in the Monday Night Wars
but even without fricking Stephanie he's still Hall of Fine Headliner tier
Without Stephanie he'd be a midcarder, not a single person gave a frick about him or his title reign before he got heat for being with Stephanie. He's the same as Edge
I don’t believe this is true. Roided up HHH in the early 2000’s looked like a top guy. No way he wouldn’t be a main eventer.
Fans didn't care about him until the Stephanie angle happened at the end of 1999. PPV buys nosedived with him on top.
No it didn't. 2000 was WWE's biggest year and he main evented in 10 out of 12 PPVs that year.
Ratings literally declined in 2000 dipshit
and yet that year was the peak of the Attitude era, every ppv was good besides the mania itself
1997 was the peak
The glue holding 2003-2005 together was the midcard division actually
The Smackdown six is smark revisionist history I'm afraid
it's actually not and you're probably underage if you believe this
you are lying
As a performer, Triple H's legacy is being arguably the best B+ player to ever live. Really entertaining during the Attitude Era but he never quite had what it took to be a top guy. Then after the Attitude Era he got over-pushed and started dragging WWE down. Of course WWE wants to rewrite history and make people think he was on Austin and Rock's level kek. But he wasn't even on Mankind's level. As a businessman, his legacy is fricking usurping WWE from Vince McMahon. It's all about the game and how you play it.
>What is his true legacy?
His true legacy is being the game, the cerebral assassin and the king of kings listening to Motörhead, wearing a jeans jackets over a leather jacket, banging the boss' hot daughter, saving and creating the future of professional wrestling and also being the ultimate ass kicker.
>the guy you put with THE guy
>the transitional champ
>the B+ player
HHH was very good at everything without being great at anything. He was always going to be a guy in the mix but via politicking he was manufactured to be a bigger deal. He's Jeff Jarrett, Dolph Ziggler, Cody Rhodes tier.
I've always thought of Triple H as a rich man's Jeff Jarrett
Solid midcarder like Jeff Jarrett, that booked himself over all of the popular wrestlers that people cared about. So what and
said
He was decent at everything, but not good at any aspect of wrestling and would be utterly irrelevant without his political influence
We can claim him fricking Steph pushed him but what got it rolling was him taking the punishment for the Curtain Call without complaint and proving he was serious about being a company man.
His true legacy is being made right now, defeating Vince has made him the biggest corporate babyface in the industry.
overrated, overhyped self inserting homosexual. he was never good.
As much as I dislike him, I don't see why some fans refuse to admit that his McMahon-Helmsley era run was genuinely great top heel work
You can harshly criticize just about any other part of his wrestling career besides that
I'm a grown-ass homie in his 30s and I'm STILL mad about him getting Jericho's WWE title win reversed. That's how great it was
Curious Data:
Every single champ that took the heavyweight/wwf title from HHH increased the ratings of the show during their reign with the exception of Roman Reigns.
This is what being a good heel looks like
Heels aren't supposed to low the ratings
Not the same after the injury but definitely a top guy. The reason he’s hated is vague bullshit about Chyna and burying people which is fair
Why is fricking the bosses daughter supposed to be an own to Triple H anyway? That's a pretty sigma male move, and it's not like Steph was an ugly woman.
He was the #1 bad guy during WWF's hottest and most highest rated year. Nobody can ever take that away from him. If he doesn't exist, Rock then feuds with somebody like Big Show for the majority of 2000 which fricking sucks. Or somebody like Jericho who the crowd would cheer for over him like they did during Invasion.
This too yeah. Personally speaking I even always enjoyed his rivalry with the Rock far more than I liked Rock and Austin. Austin's best feuds were always with Vince, who by proxy the Rock wrestled for (at least initially), and the Undertaker. Triple H/Rock and especially Triple H/Foley were incredible rivalries
he was overpushed. certainly was a main event guy but it got to be too much. He was tanking the company until Cena showed up to slow the bleeding.
WWE was kind of fricked without him, their biggest stars were Steve Austin who fans wouldn't boo, Chris Jericho who fans were cheering over The Rock, and The Rock himself who fans weren't going to boo either. So you were basically stuck with HHH as the top heel by default since everyone else was too over to be booed.
People need to accept that Triple H was never the problem in 2000, it was Vince McMahon's shitty booking. In 2001 without Triple H it was just as terrible as the insufferable run on top he had.
2000 was just a mess. Between the Radicals coming in and Eddie quickly getting injured to the Foley retirements/unretirements. It was off to a rough start. There were still a lot of great pieces going on. The tag team scene was phenmonal, if not the best ever. But it was definitely a different phase of the Attitude Era than 98/99 was
The hard truth is that the WWF was lucky that WCW was imploding faster on itself because by mid 1999 the booking went to shit real fast and McMahon family drama started getting unbearable
You're not wrong. They had a great thing going with Vince, Russo, and Ferrera. Once that team fell apart a lot of lose pieces weren't resolved well at all. For me personally, to use an antiquated phrase, they jumped the shark with Vince being the higher power. I personally always hated that because it completely undermined not only the amazing back and forth with the Ministry and the Corporation all throughout that year but it just shit all over the Undertaker and the Ministry altogether. If they had just left it at Shane that would've been perfect. I know other names like Jake or the Jackyl were thrown around and either of them would've been cool too. Just anyone else that wouldn't have undone the 6+ months of all that. Things were still good beyond that point but that's one thing right around exactly mid 99 like you're saying that I not only didn't like but I think even as a kid might've been the first time I thought oh wow that was dumb in regard to a wrestling angle
I think generally most people agree that the higher power reveal is the start of the end of the attitude era because it's just a pointless swerve that wasn't though out at all just to shock the audience. That being said, I've always thought 2000 was a great year because every PPV was amazing except for Wrestlemania. WWF/E never had such a consistently great streak of PPVs since or before that
That's totally fair. One thing I noticed watching through 98 and 99 is, barring a select few, the weekly shows were always miles ahead of the ppvs themselves. 2000 was the year where they seemed to get things in order on that for sure
There's the
>13-15 Early Attitude Era
Mega ultra based
>15-17 Mid Attitude Era
Pretty damned based
>17-19 How did you frick up the Attitude Era Era
About as based as your mother's funeral
8/10 guy on the level of someone like Edge or Adam Page
His best traits were his fundamentals and in-ring character work. Very good at selling, moving between spots, making a match have a good dramatic arc, etc. so long as he wasn't trying to carry someone less talented in the ring (Steiner, Goldberg, Batista, etc.)
Utilitarian promos. Could get through his lines and work the crowd reasonably well but never really say anything memorable.
So overall he was an A- or B+ guy who would have been jobber to the stars if he wasn't married to Steph. Good enough to carry a smaller promotion like TNA though.
The GOAT
Pauletty's a gay
Kek. It's not untrue though. He just wasn't a babyface at his peak like those two were so of course he wasn't going to be over in the same way. Another anon equated him to Edge which I think is perfect. Neither were ever quite 'the guy' nor put in a position to be. They were the guys who worked with 'the guy' and helped get them over. So they'll never have had that same mass appeal at the highest points but they were still every bit as important
Triple H in 2000 was the equivalent of Edge's run in 2006, he was white hot as a heel because of his association with Lita / Stephanie that generated lots of heat which rubbed off on him. He had one good year and after that nosedived
Lots of truth to what you're saying. Both absolutely benefited from the women they were with. In the case of both though they were already main event level heels. Even Edge. And that was just the thing that drove their acts home. I would even argue the nosedive part a bit. Triple H got hurt the year after so there's no fully telling how he would've panned out during the Invasion and of course he had that big babyface return in 2002. Edge and Lita quietly fizzled out with her retiring in late 2006(? I want to say. I think Survivor Series) and he still would go on to do even better heel work than he had done against Cena in that feud with the Undertaker. Which he carried both that feud and even Smackdown altogether on his back at points
Jober who married the owner spoiled daughter
>Main eventer world champion whose angle worked them both into a shoot and became a couple
Obese smark trannies will pretend he was never over because he went over career midcarder Booker T that one time or some shit. Many such cases
I say he was never over because he always sucked. 5/10 in every category who got pushed to the moon because he politicked well.
Then you're just being a disingenuous homosexual because pre quad tear Triple H was one of the best in ring workers in North America
Smarks were the people who liked HHH back then and i'm sick of the revisionist history claiming otherwise. Everyone on the IWC was filled with people sucking his dick as the next Ric Flair and complaining about how stale The Rock was
The feud with Booker T was in the ruthless aggression era, and by then lots of people had already tuned out
Unironic B+ player
One of the few times Meltzer was spot on
>What is his true legacy?
being the top guy post-Rock/Austin era, pre-Cena era
What's this thread, are the trannies seething about Based Haitch again?
He is genuinely one of the GOAT heels.
bargain-bin Shane Douglas, The Franchise was better in every way
I like Shane Douglas but not in any world. If that were the case why wasn't he every bit as big in WCW? Or even ECW? Hell I'd argue Justin Credible was more the Triple H of ECW than Shane Douglas was
>why wasn't he every bit as big in WCW?
because he managed to piss off Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair, Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan
>Or even ECW? Hell I'd argue Justin Credible was more the Triple H of ECW than Shane Douglas was
you don't know what the frick you're talking about at all
>you don't know what the frick you're talking about at all
Says the guy calling Shane Douglas the biggest star of the Attitude Era
I did not say that at all. Re-read my post, re-read yours, and then go watch ECW in 95 and 96 and come back and tell me how Shane was booked in ECW.
>What's this thread, are the trannies seething about Based Haitch again?
'Sup, Jericel?
Wrong. I do like Jericho though. He is better than HHH by every metric except maybe physique. And entrance music, but that doesn't really count.
The only thing Jeripig is better at is raping women
damn b***hbreasts I didn't know you were such a HHH stan
Damn Rovert I didn't know you defended rapists on Fhite
I'm not Rovert, and I never defended Vince McMahon.
Triple H is the most overbooked midcarder of all time.
Simple as that really.
This, people mentioned Edge but fans genuinely liked him in 2002 when he was with the Smackdown Six, if not for the broken neck he would have absolutely won the WWE Championship in 2003 and takes Cena's place as the top face
lmfao. no one gave a shit about edge until he turned heel in 05
He was their biggest babyface that year homosexual, the Edge vs Angle program was white hot and then he teamed with Rey Mysterio and Hulk Hogan. He headlined a PPV with Brock Lesnar, had him down for the visual pin and didn't lose clean. Nobody else avoided jobbing clean to Brock that year
getting pushed doesn't mean people gave a shit about him, NO ONE gave a frick about edgw
Edge then was Edge now: people pop for his entrance, and then he wrestles a match or cuts a promo and kills the crowd. He's a litte better now, but people have always been most hype for him during his entrance or a surprise return/run-in. Adam's just never been that good, despite having the look. Too Canadian.
Edge was moderately over in 2002, was Roman Reigns tier go away heat in 2004, before getting nuclear heat in 2005 and peaking in 2006 when he was a foil to Cena which was mega dimes. They had long term money making potential by booking Edge vs Cena at Wrestlemania, not just at 22 but keeping Cena chasing Edge throughout 2006 and doing a rematch at WM23. But of course, HHH sabotaged it in another failed attempt to get himself over.
Nobody would have wanted Edge vs John Cena and Batista vs Undertaker instead of a Shawn Michaels vs John Cena main event
fraid so
Classic midcarder.
Not main event material, and buyrates demonstrate that.
nobody itt had sex before
DX was over and when kids pretended to be DX they pretended to be Shawn Micheals or Triple H, or you were a shoot homosexual and hit bronco busters on eachother.
DX as a group was more over than any individual member of DX. It was weird like that.
the crotch chop was more over than all the members of DX combined
Damn this was a good discussion. Turned to planet moron real quick. Cheers to the cool anons from before!
stay mad at the king of kings
You are the one seething while everyone laughs at you for being so wrong
now type that without crying
>now type that without crying
Triple H, just like simpcuck steve austin, is the "forever b***h" of The Rock.
>shawns better
>Kurts better
>Austins better
>The rock is probably better
anyone else is debatable at best
>What is his true legacy?
Showing that charisma, athletics and booking don't mean shit because banging the boss daughter is more important to reach success.