This isn't working. Constantly featuring New Japan guys the casual audience doesn't care know or care about, and not following up on the red hot MJF angle immediately is causing the ratings to sink to NXT levels.
Tony needs to take an honest look in the mirror and go back to what made AEW good. Write the Forbidden Door stuff off as a folly and move on.
Totally correct
I thought MJF was going to keep showing up and doing various things in an attempt to get fired
I dont have any idea who these new japan people are and I am sure they are quite good but I hate the japanese style shows so wont watch that and therefore dont care
Same I can care less about njpw since the elite were already all on AEW. Okada is nice but he won’t do much.
>I thought MJF was going to keep showin
There's no time for that. There's a PPV to sell
>tfw i get to watch the old enemy and the new enemy team up to tank the ratings together
Yup.
>its not working
13000 tickets gone instantly you stupid vince fricker
the only thing gone instantly is the milly troony boy
how is that any different from every other aew ppv?
which were all scalped and will be marked up for 2-3x face value, all because Tony isn't confident enough to book his 5x PPVs (not 12+ like based WWE) in a stadium instead of arenas
>source: literally your ass
lose weight
a sell out is a sell out ya nerd
They can only sell out ppvs in Chicago and vegas. It’s pathetic.
Except they literally just did it in LA.
WWE can't even do that lol
>not 12+ like based WWE
WWE doesn't even do PPVs anymore, they only do monthly "PLEs" because of WCW
How come WWE can't sell it out?
>OH MY SCIENCE THEY SOLD OUT CHICAGO AGAIN!!!!! WOWWWWW
have a nice day you console war gay
Ahem...
No milly?
>wwe out of nowhere
Every fricking time
>the cult is watching for cult reasons
Nobody is ignoring the sizable audience of troony neckbeards, just the fact that the fanbase isn't big enough to compete with WWE and the fanbase is getting smaller.
Your argument is like Sunny bragging about the simp bucks she gets on onlyfans, there will always be some loser willing to fork out money for shit.
At least Sunny is making clear cut profit with no investments in her sexual devours
Tony must've spent 100 million on AEW so far
I dont know why this needs to be said over and over. but there IS NO casual audience anymore. vince ran them off in the past 20 years. WWE's fan base revolves around 60+ boomers who refuse to cord cut but will be gone in 20 years (but vince won't care by then), morons (who can't buy anything anyways) and small kids who grow up cringing at their wrestling fans days
Tony is trying to appeal to smarks and a younger audience. He's not gonna be writing dog food gimmicks and 3 stooges humor because boomers dont watch anyways. and he would just alienate the audience he has
Jesus it's not that hard of a concept to understand
AEW goes for the only l
Your post is so bad that no one even acknowledged your quads
>but there IS NO casual audience anymore.
>Tony is trying to appeal to younger audience
They both the same thing
If there were no casuals, then why hasn't AEW gotten 1.4 million every week? There are casuals and Tony already lost them
Who the frick cares about casuals, appealing to them makes for an objectively worse product.
Even if we believe that there is no causal audience left, its become blindingly obvious that the majority of AEW just pretend to like NJPW. It's just like the Hangman title reign, they like the idea of it but don't care when it's actually happening
You say this but like a year ago when Hangman was hot the ratings were over a million, and after the more casual friendly stars like Punk, Danielson, Cole, etc. the ratings have gone down if anything.
Yes, social media has changed the landscape of the busines but it's quite dumb to argue that TK's core audience is reddit/twitter/pw deep dweller smarks that keep a tap on 8 different shows rosters to know which one of their rejects might be a new hire or some guest talent that suddenly shows up with no intro.
E.g. Jay White showing up with his backside first on camera was a disaster as nobody fricking knew who he was outside forementioned troglodytes and his buddies at the shop. Now he's getting traction because he has already been AEW stage before, they make sure to tell everyone he roamed with Cole, he intros himself in promos, tells everyone he is the champ of a company... that's the kinda of shit all NJPW japan guys need to get to get traction and over, no matter how smooth and good they are in ring.
And we know they can't talk in English for shit so get a fricking mouthpiece promotor/translater for them TK - for fricks sake, you do it for two mexicans already.
Forbidden Door stuff is fine if you bring guys in for a few weeks or months at a time and let them get over with the crowd with matches and stuff, but when you're just randomly throwing them on TV without much of an explanation other than Excalibur going "THAT'S EL DESPERADO!!!" and infodumping about all the factions they are a part of it doesn't work. Takeshita (obviously not NJPW but still a foreign talent) is a good example of getting it right, he's starting to get good reactions because he's been able to consistently impress with his matches and show people that he's a star.
I think the PPV will probably still do okay but the TV hasn't been good.
There's the ticket for a milly explained perfectly.
>casual audience
Like 20% of the gayew audience are casuals
True but now they are catering to the hardcore of the hardcore.
It's insanity to think that anti draws and failing feds just need more exposure. There is a reason the majority of people don't want to see them.
The problem is that everything surrounding it is a clusterfrick. A bunch of dudes from Japan who have never been given promo time, a vignette or any sort of coherent explanation of who they are come in attacking people and eating up TV time. Why the frick should I care about an "El Desperado" or whatever a "United Empire" is? And they're all gonna be gone the moment that PPV is over
shittest take of the day well done
>muh casual audience
It would be fine they didn't hire 80% of the WWE fires since AEW was created.
Now they have no idea what to do
>and go back to what made AEW good
what was that?
aew trying to hype a fed that draws like this (last night, btw) as this huge deal is making them look bad by dragging them down to their level. who would have thought a promotion that draws like pic related in their own country would end up also not drawing in a foreign country
Kek I’ve been saying forever that jap wrestling doesn’t draw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tochigi_(city)
Its some nothing mudtown
how about this mudtown?
Nothing show on a random tuesday
lmao absolute state, the japs don't want to watch them, why would Americans?
yup. i was saying in the game threads yesterday, if you know who any of these guys spamming into the jericho segment are, youre driving this issue, because tony hears this shit most vocally online and tries to cater to it. i think aew's been at its best when its drawn mid-range type fans in, i.e., people who want to enjoy wrestling (and maybe have in the past) but dont want to be so embarrassing that they watch WWE, which is for kids, or onions face for every NJPW guy there is.
for better or worse, punk's return was one example of this, and MJF's work with both punk and wardlow are too -- where it's not made for 5 year olds, but also not something you need to fricking love science to enjoy. the characters are clear, the story is easy to jump in with, the payoffs are there, etc.
Totally correct
I thought Ospreay was going to be in an angle with a top guy but instead he's working with Pockets
I don't have any idea who these Jericho Appreciation Society people are but Despy shouldn't have been geeked out like that on TV. Send fricking TAKA, a guy the fans will remember and actually pop for if you wanted someone to take the fall.
I stopped keeping up with wrestling in 2010 and was interested in the idea of a fresh TV wrestling show, thought that maybe AEW would be fun and easy to follow due to being relatively new. And it is fun most weeks, but the amount of intra-company lore I'm expected to know is fricking unbelievable. It's cool when it speaks for itself like Punk wearing his old ROH gear, but the hastily explained New Japan faction run-ins on every recent Dynamite are really testing my patience. And I've grown to like most of the New Japan guys just from seeking stuff out that I missed over the years, but I doubt most other lapsed fans give a frick and that's a problem. No one's being treated as a big deal, just an entrance pop for people who were watching G1s half a decade ago
I really don't give a shit about casuals. AEW isn't for casuals.
I watch AEW, I watch NJPW. I don't care about who are watching just because they are jaded ex WWE fans.
This is for me and other wrestling hobbyist. Thank god there was one of us who is a fricking billionaire with more cash than Vince.
Normies get out.
This but unironically
Why is it a bad thing that someone actually wants to cater to hardcore fans
No other media fans would think that’s a bad thing
because new japan is better on its own and aew is better on its own. this show is and will be trash because of interpromotional politics making good matches impossible
I expect Mox vs Tana to be good and honestly better than whatever Tana vs Punk was about to be.
I expect Danielson vs ZSJ to be a MOTY contender if it's happening.
I expect Orange vs Osprey to be really good though I honestly would've preferred Rey Fenix
>I expect Orange vs Osprey to be really good though I honestly would've preferred Rey Fenix
t. hasnt watched Ospreay since 2019
I don't get what you're saying here.
If it's about Ospreay not being as Flippy it doesn't matter. I still think they would gel really well probably even better than their last bout since Ospreay has improved tremendously since then.
They don't even need to book dream matches. They can book storylines. Everyone's got history together. Make the crowd care about the future of BC and the Elite in 2022, give us a reason to care about Roppongi Vice, do some shit with Lance Archer on TV. I don't care if we ever see Okada, I just want AEW to do what used to be good at and make do with the resources they have.
Impact is easier to follow, one weekly show and a PPV per month, fricking AEW having 30 titles and 5 shows
>"no million"
>source: the ratings
KWAB
aew the hotdog fed is a failed experiment
they didnt introduce all the new guys well enough
think of it like a tv show, if you just brought in 10 guys at once and expect everyone to know what their story is and make them a big deal the audience would get overwhelmed
should bring in guys for guest spots over time so fans have time to digest it
This is what happens when you book for the Reddit crowd instead of actually trying to grow the business
How do you even do the MJF story? Have him face TK in a contract on a pole match?
They put Ospreay against a comedy guy. Shit's doomed.
>Constantly featuring New Japan guys the casual audience doesn't care know or care about, and not following up on the red hot MJF angle
Well the audience don't know who they are because he won't tell them, and he introduces them as run in attacks and then follows it up with different people doing a run in attack. The show makes no sense.
Not following up on MJF is moronic too, yes. He also booked Wardlow's hype back into the midcard and has also given the audience no reason to care about anyone or anything.
The show has always been like this. He just ran out of major announcement hype.
It's too gaijin-heavy. When random Japs came in before like Suzuki and Iishi it was novel because you don't have to explain much of anything to get over the cross-cultural appeal. But for this show it's full of "here's this guy named Will. He's not good enough for AEW or WWE and you've probably never even heard or seen him before but he's a big deal over in Japan trust us!" without doing any of the legwork to explain why this random guy showing up is something you should care about
MJF need to be fired, you should ideally never see him again.
Proof you don't need to hold the viewers hands and explain who each and every character is, while still being a massive success.
Many of these characters have decades of recognition as well as cartoons, films and shows to build up to this big finale specifically. Tony should have built slower, starting with NJPW guys coming in and eventually reaching a war of promotions when the right people have been built up, when the feuds have grown.
You know those "lapsed fans" they used to harp on about a year or two ago.... are any of them still watching? I really doubt it, and this NJPW shit is probably what's gonna drive off the last of them.
Meh, only one more week and the rushed build is over.
I unironically am sick of AEW’s social media/social Justice bullshit, and I cannot disconnect myself from it all. Wednesday was the first ep of dynamite I didn’t watch, and I’m done with AEW.
>cm baby killer
>whitest guy I’ve ever seen sporting blm bullshit
>troony gay pride shit constantly
>cowboy leftist Twitter shit
I don’t care. Frick you. Frick baby murderers.
>chud
Don’t care. Stay mad. I’m out. Enjoy it Khan, fricking money mark.
Imma just stick to 90s reruns.
Seek therapy. You’re ill.
>therapy
I just said I’m not into gay shit. Can you not read?
>This isn't working
No shit. This whole RPing as casual normies angle is stupid because literally nobody here is a legit functioning person in society.
>casual audience
Why do e-drones think wrestling has casual audience?
AEWtists throwing New JaChads under the bus to cover for their cokefiend's shitty booking. you hate to see it.
>AEWtists throwing New JaChads under the bus
that's just dronie false flagging and everybody knows it. you hate AEW way more than the average fan loves it.
Why are there so many schizos on this board? Take your meds, you weird homosexual
Not surprising at all. This is why I've always shat on trannies for being the posers they are. They tried to leech on us New Jachads with their "No partnership?" memes despite knowing jackshit about New Japan and now they're seething and looking for a scapegoat. The pathetic behavior you'd come to expect from them.
100%, NJPW was 'cool' for 1-2 years and is now irrelevant and dying
But enough AEW
asiatics are just not cool
Tony really should follow up MJF angle with a wrestling debut or official heel GM with bodyguards. Doing nothing with it was just weird.
>the casual audience
AEW has no casual audience. The numbers were down for everything this week. They'll be back to their usual 900k next week.
Their casual audience is the DVR viewership and the 1.2+ mil they had watching live when the big debuts happened after All Out last year.
Is the Smackdown casual audience the 2.5 milly who quit watching nearly 3 years ago?
Lol I don't give a frick I gonna watch both wwe and aew burn with a smile in my face
Yes Fhite is man enough to admit new Japan is not a draw but are they man enough to admit Punk was a draw? Him getting injured cost them big.