This isn't working.

This isn't working. Constantly featuring New Japan guys the casual audience doesn't care know or care about, and not following up on the red hot MJF angle immediately is causing the ratings to sink to NXT levels.

Tony needs to take an honest look in the mirror and go back to what made AEW good. Write the Forbidden Door stuff off as a folly and move on.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Totally correct
    I thought MJF was going to keep showing up and doing various things in an attempt to get fired
    I dont have any idea who these new japan people are and I am sure they are quite good but I hate the japanese style shows so wont watch that and therefore dont care

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Same I can care less about njpw since the elite were already all on AEW. Okada is nice but he won’t do much.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I thought MJF was going to keep showin
      There's no time for that. There's a PPV to sell

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw i get to watch the old enemy and the new enemy team up to tank the ratings together

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yup.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >its not working
    13000 tickets gone instantly you stupid vince fricker

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      the only thing gone instantly is the milly troony boy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      how is that any different from every other aew ppv?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      which were all scalped and will be marked up for 2-3x face value, all because Tony isn't confident enough to book his 5x PPVs (not 12+ like based WWE) in a stadium instead of arenas

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >source: literally your ass
        lose weight

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        a sell out is a sell out ya nerd

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They can only sell out ppvs in Chicago and vegas. It’s pathetic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Except they literally just did it in LA.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        WWE can't even do that lol

        which were all scalped and will be marked up for 2-3x face value, all because Tony isn't confident enough to book his 5x PPVs (not 12+ like based WWE) in a stadium instead of arenas

        >not 12+ like based WWE

        WWE doesn't even do PPVs anymore, they only do monthly "PLEs" because of WCW

        >OH MY SCIENCE THEY SOLD OUT CHICAGO AGAIN!!!!! WOWWWWW
        have a nice day you console war gay

        How come WWE can't sell it out?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >OH MY SCIENCE THEY SOLD OUT CHICAGO AGAIN!!!!! WOWWWWW
      have a nice day you console war gay

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ahem...

      No milly?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >wwe out of nowhere
      Every fricking time

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >the cult is watching for cult reasons
      Nobody is ignoring the sizable audience of troony neckbeards, just the fact that the fanbase isn't big enough to compete with WWE and the fanbase is getting smaller.

      Your argument is like Sunny bragging about the simp bucks she gets on onlyfans, there will always be some loser willing to fork out money for shit.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        At least Sunny is making clear cut profit with no investments in her sexual devours
        Tony must've spent 100 million on AEW so far

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I dont know why this needs to be said over and over. but there IS NO casual audience anymore. vince ran them off in the past 20 years. WWE's fan base revolves around 60+ boomers who refuse to cord cut but will be gone in 20 years (but vince won't care by then), morons (who can't buy anything anyways) and small kids who grow up cringing at their wrestling fans days

    Tony is trying to appeal to smarks and a younger audience. He's not gonna be writing dog food gimmicks and 3 stooges humor because boomers dont watch anyways. and he would just alienate the audience he has

    Jesus it's not that hard of a concept to understand

    AEW goes for the only l

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Your post is so bad that no one even acknowledged your quads

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >but there IS NO casual audience anymore.
      >Tony is trying to appeal to younger audience
      They both the same thing

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If there were no casuals, then why hasn't AEW gotten 1.4 million every week? There are casuals and Tony already lost them

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Who the frick cares about casuals, appealing to them makes for an objectively worse product.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Even if we believe that there is no causal audience left, its become blindingly obvious that the majority of AEW just pretend to like NJPW. It's just like the Hangman title reign, they like the idea of it but don't care when it's actually happening

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You say this but like a year ago when Hangman was hot the ratings were over a million, and after the more casual friendly stars like Punk, Danielson, Cole, etc. the ratings have gone down if anything.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, social media has changed the landscape of the busines but it's quite dumb to argue that TK's core audience is reddit/twitter/pw deep dweller smarks that keep a tap on 8 different shows rosters to know which one of their rejects might be a new hire or some guest talent that suddenly shows up with no intro.

      E.g. Jay White showing up with his backside first on camera was a disaster as nobody fricking knew who he was outside forementioned troglodytes and his buddies at the shop. Now he's getting traction because he has already been AEW stage before, they make sure to tell everyone he roamed with Cole, he intros himself in promos, tells everyone he is the champ of a company... that's the kinda of shit all NJPW japan guys need to get to get traction and over, no matter how smooth and good they are in ring.

      And we know they can't talk in English for shit so get a fricking mouthpiece promotor/translater for them TK - for fricks sake, you do it for two mexicans already.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Forbidden Door stuff is fine if you bring guys in for a few weeks or months at a time and let them get over with the crowd with matches and stuff, but when you're just randomly throwing them on TV without much of an explanation other than Excalibur going "THAT'S EL DESPERADO!!!" and infodumping about all the factions they are a part of it doesn't work. Takeshita (obviously not NJPW but still a foreign talent) is a good example of getting it right, he's starting to get good reactions because he's been able to consistently impress with his matches and show people that he's a star.
    I think the PPV will probably still do okay but the TV hasn't been good.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is that everything surrounding it is a clusterfrick. A bunch of dudes from Japan who have never been given promo time, a vignette or any sort of coherent explanation of who they are come in attacking people and eating up TV time. Why the frick should I care about an "El Desperado" or whatever a "United Empire" is? And they're all gonna be gone the moment that PPV is over

      I stopped keeping up with wrestling in 2010 and was interested in the idea of a fresh TV wrestling show, thought that maybe AEW would be fun and easy to follow due to being relatively new. And it is fun most weeks, but the amount of intra-company lore I'm expected to know is fricking unbelievable. It's cool when it speaks for itself like Punk wearing his old ROH gear, but the hastily explained New Japan faction run-ins on every recent Dynamite are really testing my patience. And I've grown to like most of the New Japan guys just from seeking stuff out that I missed over the years, but I doubt most other lapsed fans give a frick and that's a problem. No one's being treated as a big deal, just an entrance pop for people who were watching G1s half a decade ago

      they didnt introduce all the new guys well enough
      think of it like a tv show, if you just brought in 10 guys at once and expect everyone to know what their story is and make them a big deal the audience would get overwhelmed
      should bring in guys for guest spots over time so fans have time to digest it

      They don't even need to book dream matches. They can book storylines. Everyone's got history together. Make the crowd care about the future of BC and the Elite in 2022, give us a reason to care about Roppongi Vice, do some shit with Lance Archer on TV. I don't care if we ever see Okada, I just want AEW to do what used to be good at and make do with the resources they have.

      It's too gaijin-heavy. When random Japs came in before like Suzuki and Iishi it was novel because you don't have to explain much of anything to get over the cross-cultural appeal. But for this show it's full of "here's this guy named Will. He's not good enough for AEW or WWE and you've probably never even heard or seen him before but he's a big deal over in Japan trust us!" without doing any of the legwork to explain why this random guy showing up is something you should care about

      There's the ticket for a milly explained perfectly.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >casual audience
    Like 20% of the gayew audience are casuals

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      True but now they are catering to the hardcore of the hardcore.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's insanity to think that anti draws and failing feds just need more exposure. There is a reason the majority of people don't want to see them.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is that everything surrounding it is a clusterfrick. A bunch of dudes from Japan who have never been given promo time, a vignette or any sort of coherent explanation of who they are come in attacking people and eating up TV time. Why the frick should I care about an "El Desperado" or whatever a "United Empire" is? And they're all gonna be gone the moment that PPV is over

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    shittest take of the day well done

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >muh casual audience

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It would be fine they didn't hire 80% of the WWE fires since AEW was created.
    Now they have no idea what to do

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >and go back to what made AEW good
    what was that?

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    aew trying to hype a fed that draws like this (last night, btw) as this huge deal is making them look bad by dragging them down to their level. who would have thought a promotion that draws like pic related in their own country would end up also not drawing in a foreign country

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Kek I’ve been saying forever that jap wrestling doesn’t draw

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Kek I’ve been saying forever that jap wrestling doesn’t draw

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tochigi_(city)
      Its some nothing mudtown

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        how about this mudtown?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Nothing show on a random tuesday

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      lmao absolute state, the japs don't want to watch them, why would Americans?

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    yup. i was saying in the game threads yesterday, if you know who any of these guys spamming into the jericho segment are, youre driving this issue, because tony hears this shit most vocally online and tries to cater to it. i think aew's been at its best when its drawn mid-range type fans in, i.e., people who want to enjoy wrestling (and maybe have in the past) but dont want to be so embarrassing that they watch WWE, which is for kids, or onions face for every NJPW guy there is.

    for better or worse, punk's return was one example of this, and MJF's work with both punk and wardlow are too -- where it's not made for 5 year olds, but also not something you need to fricking love science to enjoy. the characters are clear, the story is easy to jump in with, the payoffs are there, etc.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Totally correct
    I thought Ospreay was going to be in an angle with a top guy but instead he's working with Pockets
    I don't have any idea who these Jericho Appreciation Society people are but Despy shouldn't have been geeked out like that on TV. Send fricking TAKA, a guy the fans will remember and actually pop for if you wanted someone to take the fall.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I stopped keeping up with wrestling in 2010 and was interested in the idea of a fresh TV wrestling show, thought that maybe AEW would be fun and easy to follow due to being relatively new. And it is fun most weeks, but the amount of intra-company lore I'm expected to know is fricking unbelievable. It's cool when it speaks for itself like Punk wearing his old ROH gear, but the hastily explained New Japan faction run-ins on every recent Dynamite are really testing my patience. And I've grown to like most of the New Japan guys just from seeking stuff out that I missed over the years, but I doubt most other lapsed fans give a frick and that's a problem. No one's being treated as a big deal, just an entrance pop for people who were watching G1s half a decade ago

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I really don't give a shit about casuals. AEW isn't for casuals.
    I watch AEW, I watch NJPW. I don't care about who are watching just because they are jaded ex WWE fans.
    This is for me and other wrestling hobbyist. Thank god there was one of us who is a fricking billionaire with more cash than Vince.

    Normies get out.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This but unironically
      Why is it a bad thing that someone actually wants to cater to hardcore fans
      No other media fans would think that’s a bad thing

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        because new japan is better on its own and aew is better on its own. this show is and will be trash because of interpromotional politics making good matches impossible

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I expect Mox vs Tana to be good and honestly better than whatever Tana vs Punk was about to be.
          I expect Danielson vs ZSJ to be a MOTY contender if it's happening.
          I expect Orange vs Osprey to be really good though I honestly would've preferred Rey Fenix

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >I expect Orange vs Osprey to be really good though I honestly would've preferred Rey Fenix
            t. hasnt watched Ospreay since 2019

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't get what you're saying here.
            If it's about Ospreay not being as Flippy it doesn't matter. I still think they would gel really well probably even better than their last bout since Ospreay has improved tremendously since then.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They don't even need to book dream matches. They can book storylines. Everyone's got history together. Make the crowd care about the future of BC and the Elite in 2022, give us a reason to care about Roppongi Vice, do some shit with Lance Archer on TV. I don't care if we ever see Okada, I just want AEW to do what used to be good at and make do with the resources they have.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I stopped keeping up with wrestling in 2010 and was interested in the idea of a fresh TV wrestling show, thought that maybe AEW would be fun and easy to follow due to being relatively new. And it is fun most weeks, but the amount of intra-company lore I'm expected to know is fricking unbelievable. It's cool when it speaks for itself like Punk wearing his old ROH gear, but the hastily explained New Japan faction run-ins on every recent Dynamite are really testing my patience. And I've grown to like most of the New Japan guys just from seeking stuff out that I missed over the years, but I doubt most other lapsed fans give a frick and that's a problem. No one's being treated as a big deal, just an entrance pop for people who were watching G1s half a decade ago

      Impact is easier to follow, one weekly show and a PPV per month, fricking AEW having 30 titles and 5 shows

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >"no million"
    >source: the ratings
    KWAB
    aew the hotdog fed is a failed experiment

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they didnt introduce all the new guys well enough
    think of it like a tv show, if you just brought in 10 guys at once and expect everyone to know what their story is and make them a big deal the audience would get overwhelmed
    should bring in guys for guest spots over time so fans have time to digest it

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This is what happens when you book for the Reddit crowd instead of actually trying to grow the business

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How do you even do the MJF story? Have him face TK in a contract on a pole match?

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They put Ospreay against a comedy guy. Shit's doomed.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Constantly featuring New Japan guys the casual audience doesn't care know or care about, and not following up on the red hot MJF angle
    Well the audience don't know who they are because he won't tell them, and he introduces them as run in attacks and then follows it up with different people doing a run in attack. The show makes no sense.
    Not following up on MJF is moronic too, yes. He also booked Wardlow's hype back into the midcard and has also given the audience no reason to care about anyone or anything.
    The show has always been like this. He just ran out of major announcement hype.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's too gaijin-heavy. When random Japs came in before like Suzuki and Iishi it was novel because you don't have to explain much of anything to get over the cross-cultural appeal. But for this show it's full of "here's this guy named Will. He's not good enough for AEW or WWE and you've probably never even heard or seen him before but he's a big deal over in Japan trust us!" without doing any of the legwork to explain why this random guy showing up is something you should care about

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    MJF need to be fired, you should ideally never see him again.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Proof you don't need to hold the viewers hands and explain who each and every character is, while still being a massive success.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Many of these characters have decades of recognition as well as cartoons, films and shows to build up to this big finale specifically. Tony should have built slower, starting with NJPW guys coming in and eventually reaching a war of promotions when the right people have been built up, when the feuds have grown.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You know those "lapsed fans" they used to harp on about a year or two ago.... are any of them still watching? I really doubt it, and this NJPW shit is probably what's gonna drive off the last of them.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Meh, only one more week and the rushed build is over.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I unironically am sick of AEW’s social media/social Justice bullshit, and I cannot disconnect myself from it all. Wednesday was the first ep of dynamite I didn’t watch, and I’m done with AEW.
    >cm baby killer
    >whitest guy I’ve ever seen sporting blm bullshit
    >troony gay pride shit constantly
    >cowboy leftist Twitter shit
    I don’t care. Frick you. Frick baby murderers.
    >chud
    Don’t care. Stay mad. I’m out. Enjoy it Khan, fricking money mark.
    Imma just stick to 90s reruns.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Seek therapy. You’re ill.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >therapy
        I just said I’m not into gay shit. Can you not read?

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >This isn't working
    No shit. This whole RPing as casual normies angle is stupid because literally nobody here is a legit functioning person in society.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >casual audience
    Why do e-drones think wrestling has casual audience?

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    AEWtists throwing New JaChads under the bus to cover for their cokefiend's shitty booking. you hate to see it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >AEWtists throwing New JaChads under the bus
      that's just dronie false flagging and everybody knows it. you hate AEW way more than the average fan loves it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Why are there so many schizos on this board? Take your meds, you weird homosexual

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Not surprising at all. This is why I've always shat on trannies for being the posers they are. They tried to leech on us New Jachads with their "No partnership?" memes despite knowing jackshit about New Japan and now they're seething and looking for a scapegoat. The pathetic behavior you'd come to expect from them.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    100%, NJPW was 'cool' for 1-2 years and is now irrelevant and dying

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      But enough AEW

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    asiatics are just not cool

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Tony really should follow up MJF angle with a wrestling debut or official heel GM with bodyguards. Doing nothing with it was just weird.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >the casual audience
    AEW has no casual audience. The numbers were down for everything this week. They'll be back to their usual 900k next week.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Their casual audience is the DVR viewership and the 1.2+ mil they had watching live when the big debuts happened after All Out last year.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Is the Smackdown casual audience the 2.5 milly who quit watching nearly 3 years ago?

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lol I don't give a frick I gonna watch both wwe and aew burn with a smile in my face

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes Fhite is man enough to admit new Japan is not a draw but are they man enough to admit Punk was a draw? Him getting injured cost them big.

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