people thought Aul' Archie was a warehouse builder in his day tbf. Evertons here doesnt actually look that bad - location helps - altho they'll probably go bust before its done
Archies back catalogue got fricked by the Taylor Report and the (legally required) demand for all-seater stadia. Substance of Main Stand at Ibrox, bits of Craven Cottage - afaik, nothing left thats anywhere near complete or original.
That is promising indeed, one of various reasons my choice for a new stadium of my club would be in the port area. But I was referring to the stadium itself
literally too big of a club to go down, the premier league tried tho
They didn't try, they slapped them on the wrist by handing out the point deduction this season, when Luton, Burnley, and Sheffield are there to take all the beatings
If they got deducted another 10 points they'd still be clear as of right now lol. They received the biggest point deduction in the history of the premier league you knob.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Alright, I will explain again.
>they could take another 10 point deduction
Yes, because Luton, Burnley, and Sheffield suck. As does Nottingham, but that's a bonus. You think the Premier League didn't know that? They were able to gleefully "set an example" by taking 10 points away (and later undoing part of it) because they knew Everton wouldn't get relegated anyway. Why did they do it? Right, because they like Everton. Why do they like Everton? Right, because Everton brings in enough money to prove useful (as of now). Why do they bring in money? Because of foreign bandwagoners like you. Congratulations, you saved FC Everton. For now.
>designed specifically for footy
Is that supposed to be a stellar attribute? Everyone knows stadiums with running tracks suck ass for football, that's why most clubs don't have them. Especially England doesn't have them
The rest is nice, but how do you define "good size"? Would slightly larger be better? If you have enough fans to fill a larger stadium, that seems to be preferable to me. And many stadiums look unique, even the letdown that is New Wembley. I get the location thing though, that's pretty nice indeed. Too bad Liverpool's port area lost UNESCO status because of it, but still a nice location for sure.
What about the stands, for example regarding steepness and stand structure? The acoustics? What are they doing to enhance the game atmosphere there?
>What are they doing to enhance the game atmosphere there?
hopefully win some fricking games kek
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That seems like a good plan ... good luck. A few months ago, I saw a YouTube reel or whatever they're called where some dude said Everton's stadium will have the steepest stands in world football - that would be interesting and very good for atmosphere, but it must be bullshit since I'm pretty sure England has relatively restrictive regulations that don't allow competing with the likes of the Mestalla upper rank or the Bombonera, where they max out at 45°
>What about the stands, for example regarding steepness
whats your preference here ?
natural evolution is towards smaller footprint stadia and piling people directly on top of each other, but I suspect bank angle, row width, blabla is all building regs, when not UEFA regulated, somewhere.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If I were to decide, I'd go for steepness. A multi-tiered stadium usually can't realistically go 45°/45°/45°, I suppose the maximum is 35°/40°/45°. Steepness is good for atmosphere, it helps keep the sound in the stadium, and it keeps fans close, which also helps. In larger stadiums, steepness can help keep the view decent for the fans in the rows furthest from the pitch.
Likewise, going as close to the pitch is great. English stadiums are role models in this regard, the ultimate example in Germany was the old Tivoli in Aachen. I suppose the best current stadium we have is Pauli's Millerntor and Union's Alte Försterei.
For "keeping the sound in", roofs are good. They're necessary in non-mediterranean countries anyway. Of course, you can tweak quite a bit with material and construction in general, Paderborn for example has a small stadium that's pretty shitty on first sight, but they did well regarding acoustics. Here as well, Aachen's old Tivoli was a lottery winner, they couldn't have planned this.
Regarding stand structure, many new stadiums try to emulate Dortmund's "yellow wall", Tottenham being the most famous example, I suppose. Apart from looking imposing and cool, having so many fans, especially dedicated ones, directly together also helps with the atmosphere.
Another factor would be distance between rows. Old Trafford is extremely narrow, too narrow, I suppose. But 700mm distance is plenty.
And yes, UEFA has pretty drastic and partially stupid regulations. I would expect England to be harsh on its own though thanks to the aftermath of Heysel and Hillsborough, like the Taylor Report
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Most building codes and football bodies’ regulations cap the maximum steepness of stands at 35º; very rarely allowing anything between that and 40º, thus Mestalla or Bombonera’s upper stands wouldn’t be approved if built today. Also, there’s minimum distances of about 6-10 mts between the touchlines and the stands. And, because stadiums are now built with VIP boxes and sections on mind, you don’t see large cantilevered stands overhanging above others, such as in Camp Nou or River Plate, because VIP boxes are located between levels and as close to the field as possible.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Precisely. Especially for the highest UEFA stadium category, you need to follow pretty harsh rules that often act to the detriment of atmosphere. A shame.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
tbf, at some point 'steep angle + massed collection of half-pissed fans' gets borderline
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sure, but I think 45 degrees is doable. And if it makes fans drink slightly less in case of doubt, all the better
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And if it makes fans drink slightly less in case of doubt
oh my sweet summer child
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>tbf, at some point 'steep angle + massed collection of half-pissed fans' gets borderline
Not for anyone who isn't English, we can avoid falling off balconies and other high structures.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
if God had meant Man never to evolve into winged creatures, he wouldnt have invented Bongs and cheap lager. One Day, a Norf will soar
>And if it makes fans drink slightly less in case of doubt
oh my sweet summer child
The word for you is Hurensohn, and you're a behinderter one even. Nobody said you need 90 degrees or some other stupid exaggeration, but everyone knows a steep, narrow stadium can produce a better, louder atmosphere than a 5° plate. Not that this makes a difference in your stadiums, you only have event fans out for instagram approval there and the only time somebody makes a noise is when people clap for the commercials
*in the championship
literally too big of a club to go down, the premier league tried tho
>too big of a club to go down
lmfao
If their dodgy new owners can't pay their loans its administration time.
be a giant Tesco on the Mersey then
can i go
no irish
ok
No scottish either, you welsh freak.
They need to go down, they've been shit for years. Would be better for them if it was for them spunking all the money for the stadium.
Archibald Leitch had it right, why can't stadium architects just copy him instead of creating spaceships that lack any substance?
people thought Aul' Archie was a warehouse builder in his day tbf. Evertons here doesnt actually look that bad - location helps - altho they'll probably go bust before its done
Tbqh, almost none of the stadiums he designed look anything like they did originally anymore. Several of them even had tracks around the field.
Archies back catalogue got fricked by the Taylor Report and the (legally required) demand for all-seater stadia. Substance of Main Stand at Ibrox, bits of Craven Cottage - afaik, nothing left thats anywhere near complete or original.
What's supposed to be so good about it? If your answer involves non-sport entertainment venues, the stadium automatically sucks
>he doesnt dream of glorious quayside punchups and tossing oppo fans into the river
That is promising indeed, one of various reasons my choice for a new stadium of my club would be in the port area. But I was referring to the stadium itself
They didn't try, they slapped them on the wrist by handing out the point deduction this season, when Luton, Burnley, and Sheffield are there to take all the beatings
>They didn't try, they slapped them on the wrist by handing out the point deduction this season
Everton have got bigger problems in the post -
is bang on.
If they got deducted another 10 points they'd still be clear as of right now lol. They received the biggest point deduction in the history of the premier league you knob.
Alright, I will explain again.
>they could take another 10 point deduction
Yes, because Luton, Burnley, and Sheffield suck. As does Nottingham, but that's a bonus. You think the Premier League didn't know that? They were able to gleefully "set an example" by taking 10 points away (and later undoing part of it) because they knew Everton wouldn't get relegated anyway. Why did they do it? Right, because they like Everton. Why do they like Everton? Right, because Everton brings in enough money to prove useful (as of now). Why do they bring in money? Because of foreign bandwagoners like you. Congratulations, you saved FC Everton. For now.
good size, unique look, designed specifically for footy and a truly special location.
>designed specifically for footy
Is that supposed to be a stellar attribute? Everyone knows stadiums with running tracks suck ass for football, that's why most clubs don't have them. Especially England doesn't have them
The rest is nice, but how do you define "good size"? Would slightly larger be better? If you have enough fans to fill a larger stadium, that seems to be preferable to me. And many stadiums look unique, even the letdown that is New Wembley. I get the location thing though, that's pretty nice indeed. Too bad Liverpool's port area lost UNESCO status because of it, but still a nice location for sure.
What about the stands, for example regarding steepness and stand structure? The acoustics? What are they doing to enhance the game atmosphere there?
>What are they doing to enhance the game atmosphere there?
hopefully win some fricking games kek
That seems like a good plan ... good luck. A few months ago, I saw a YouTube reel or whatever they're called where some dude said Everton's stadium will have the steepest stands in world football - that would be interesting and very good for atmosphere, but it must be bullshit since I'm pretty sure England has relatively restrictive regulations that don't allow competing with the likes of the Mestalla upper rank or the Bombonera, where they max out at 45°
>What about the stands, for example regarding steepness
whats your preference here ?
natural evolution is towards smaller footprint stadia and piling people directly on top of each other, but I suspect bank angle, row width, blabla is all building regs, when not UEFA regulated, somewhere.
If I were to decide, I'd go for steepness. A multi-tiered stadium usually can't realistically go 45°/45°/45°, I suppose the maximum is 35°/40°/45°. Steepness is good for atmosphere, it helps keep the sound in the stadium, and it keeps fans close, which also helps. In larger stadiums, steepness can help keep the view decent for the fans in the rows furthest from the pitch.
Likewise, going as close to the pitch is great. English stadiums are role models in this regard, the ultimate example in Germany was the old Tivoli in Aachen. I suppose the best current stadium we have is Pauli's Millerntor and Union's Alte Försterei.
For "keeping the sound in", roofs are good. They're necessary in non-mediterranean countries anyway. Of course, you can tweak quite a bit with material and construction in general, Paderborn for example has a small stadium that's pretty shitty on first sight, but they did well regarding acoustics. Here as well, Aachen's old Tivoli was a lottery winner, they couldn't have planned this.
Regarding stand structure, many new stadiums try to emulate Dortmund's "yellow wall", Tottenham being the most famous example, I suppose. Apart from looking imposing and cool, having so many fans, especially dedicated ones, directly together also helps with the atmosphere.
Another factor would be distance between rows. Old Trafford is extremely narrow, too narrow, I suppose. But 700mm distance is plenty.
And yes, UEFA has pretty drastic and partially stupid regulations. I would expect England to be harsh on its own though thanks to the aftermath of Heysel and Hillsborough, like the Taylor Report
Most building codes and football bodies’ regulations cap the maximum steepness of stands at 35º; very rarely allowing anything between that and 40º, thus Mestalla or Bombonera’s upper stands wouldn’t be approved if built today. Also, there’s minimum distances of about 6-10 mts between the touchlines and the stands. And, because stadiums are now built with VIP boxes and sections on mind, you don’t see large cantilevered stands overhanging above others, such as in Camp Nou or River Plate, because VIP boxes are located between levels and as close to the field as possible.
Precisely. Especially for the highest UEFA stadium category, you need to follow pretty harsh rules that often act to the detriment of atmosphere. A shame.
tbf, at some point 'steep angle + massed collection of half-pissed fans' gets borderline
Sure, but I think 45 degrees is doable. And if it makes fans drink slightly less in case of doubt, all the better
>And if it makes fans drink slightly less in case of doubt
oh my sweet summer child
>tbf, at some point 'steep angle + massed collection of half-pissed fans' gets borderline
Not for anyone who isn't English, we can avoid falling off balconies and other high structures.
if God had meant Man never to evolve into winged creatures, he wouldnt have invented Bongs and cheap lager. One Day, a Norf will soar
this tbqfh
Having those narrow corridors to acess 3/4ths of the stadium seems like a disaster waiting to happen, especially in Liverpool.
Plus, being close to salt water is just harder on anything, especially all that metal.
Pontificate the aroma
why are euro stadiums so ugly
Don't pretend Jerryworld or the MetLife are a sight to behold
>One of Europe’s biggest clubs is relocating
This is actually really sad, sports relocation like this wouldn’t happen for America’s college sports
Nice meme
By that, I mean both the relocation meme and the „Everton are big“ meme. That one is even crazier
Depends how far you relocate.
Goodison Park is a shithole, but it does have SOVL
>germs want 90 degree seating
what's the word for when germans are moronic? schadendeutsch?
The word for you is Hurensohn, and you're a behinderter one even. Nobody said you need 90 degrees or some other stupid exaggeration, but everyone knows a steep, narrow stadium can produce a better, louder atmosphere than a 5° plate. Not that this makes a difference in your stadiums, you only have event fans out for instagram approval there and the only time somebody makes a noise is when people clap for the commercials
want 90 degree seating
>what's the word for when germans are moronic?
I believe the term for this is Stackenblocken
Hang them from the roof by their necks and it'll hold 70k
still mogged by 1000 year old trafford
Feels like they managed to add a little bit of soul to a soulless bowl.
Should have added a tower