Why are BJJ/“MMA” gyms so damn expensive? Do the owners have to pay dues to the team they’re affiliated with or are they just taking advantage of the fact that jiu-jitsu is hot right now? Gyms around me want $125 and up per month for the privilege of getting man ass and balls in my face multiple times a week. Boxing gyms around me only charge around 40-60 per month.
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Supply and demand. The BJJ contingency is wealthier and softer (no offense) than the kids who get into boxing. They're willing to pay higher rates for fancy facilities. It's a normal hobby for the upper-middle class. Compared to boxers, who can and will box in abandoned car garages and nearly all of them don't come from money.
So basically
>are they just taking advantage of the fact that jiu-jitsu is hot right now
Yes, although I don't see it as particularly malicious. They're charging the rate the people will pay. It's hard enough to make money owning a gym unless you go full mcdojo.
Because you’ll pay for it, sap.
Why do dojos never list their prices online? It’s like they’re ashamed of how much they charge.
It's kinda that. I think they want you to come in for a trial lesson and then make the sales pitch. You'll be more inclined to say yes if you had a good time.
lmao 125 is cheap for bjj
Also causes brain damage and you get to affiliate with a far lower demographic of morons
1. It keeps away the poors
2. It helps the owner have a middle class life so he can stay out of the poors.
3. Lots of wealthier people doing BJJ/MMA because it's cool and makes office life more bearable. Hence can charge high.
He wants you come in so he can be like -looks at computer- DAVE! Welcome! Lets do some rolling my guy DAVE!"
Then you'll do a class and he'll send his hot female Yoga instructor friend to sit w/ you and try to sell you on that 149$$ unlimited weekly training class. Live the lifestyle baby~
Not hating just, that's what it is lol.
>hot female Yoga instructor friend
Do I get to roll with her? Will she sit on my face regularly?
>boxing is for poor Black folk and spics
Glad I chose BJJ
I think BJJ is just super commercialized in the Anglosphere, while also being perceived as the new "gentleman's" sport i.e. the combat sport of the middle class, since boxing has lost it's appeal to the middle class since almost every champion has been black for the last century or so. I guess the Gracie associations were also very good at packaging their sport, aesthetically and structurally speaking. It's not expensive outside the USA/UK/Ireland/other Anglo c**ts.
In my Germanic country I train at one of the best MMA gyms in the country with fighters who currently hold repeat international titles, national titles etc and compete for the national team as well as abroad, in both gi/no-gi and MMA as well as other sports. Aside from BJJ and MMA the club offers three other striking sports and another grappling sport, with each class held by world class (olympics, international comps) experience coaches, as well as offering free weights and exercise gear and machines, boxercise type shit and open sparring mats.
I pay €40 per month for my membership as an adult.
Black person Brazilian is literally in the name, bjj will always be the homosexual hue version of judo
Boxing is for literal morons
MMA gyms are expensive as frick too. $100 as initial entry fee and another $100 per month and $20 yearly for sports insurance
Wtf?
its cheap in poor countries. Our coach basically goes mr miyagi on us
Boxing is awesome
which germanic country has any champions?
Feels good living in mexico
>mma gym is 400 pesos a month
>boxing gym is 300
>gym is 300
All for the low cost of living under the cartels’ regime
BJJ and MMA are the latest trend in martial arts and naturally the McDojos are now teaching BJJ/MMA.
BJJ is very middle class/white collar compared to boxing which is very working class/blue collar.
MMA is trendy so those gyms can overcharge (great facilities but tend to be shit training. Better off finding individual competitive BJJ and Muay Thai gyms and learning them separately).
Where are you from?, Sinaloa?
Are you really unable to sock away $5 a day? Donate plasma for the money or something.
Gyms cost money, tardo. If you have your own hall you have to pay the lease and insurance and shit. If people won't pay you more for classes than that costs you don't have a business, simple as.
It's not muh commercialization, most Euro countries just offer subsidies and tax breaks to sports. Anglos hate needless taxes, so the people actually using a nonessential service have to bear its costs, which it's assumed they can do since they now have money left over from not paying needless taxes that feed bureaucrats.
t. Scandi whose c**t subsidizes opera tickets by 90% of the real price
This. It costs money to have even a small hall. Then there's insurance for the building and injuries liability etc.
If you have over a minimum number of students there are maintenance costs like cleaners, even basic equipment like quality matting.
It's partly a function of U.S. style capitalism and litigation these are necessary. So you have Republicans to thank.
It's not like Brazil or Thailand where you can just train martial arts in a jungle gym and make champions.
If you're not saving money by having your poorer students clean the McDojo after hours for free/discounted lessons, you're sensei-ing all wrong.
I can show up at work after BJJ without being completely busted up.
This is unironically good for everyone involved. We’re the mcdojo gays right all along.
Black person don't lie. You show up to work covered in sports tape. Otherwise you aren't actually rolling.
I roll as hard as possible. I haven't needed much sports tape. "Busted up" is a relative state, I've had my share of injuries but it's not on the same level as showing up with two black eyes and a broken nose. Anyway, I'm almost 40 with lots of injuries from sports and military service and I'm still keeping up with most of the young guys.
lol I threw you on my knees you fat frick, you're weak and your military service was behind a fricking desk, If i see you tonight I'm double legging your ass and ankle locking you fatass
I agree fellow boxing enthusiast, I have been considering changing sports and just boxing instead of spending anymore time with these Jiu Jitsu gays that wanna sit down to start a roll or throw the shittiest doubles or fricking wrestling you've seen
if I had to guess its 1 higher start-up cost in wrestling mats and 2 BJJ homies think there the best cause they can beat low tears by having their low tears be training for much longer3 it keeps people who would actualy need to know how to fight away so they never have to deal with the fact that if you get slammed by a wrestler on concrete or knocked out and hit your head you die but i don't know I've only ever done BJJ and bang Muay Thai
cringe left pol
Rental space is expensive, all the gear and mats are expensive, insurance is expensive, labor cost are expensive.
And worst of all customer base are flaky with most quitting before the 6 month mark.
I am on the business/teaching side and I can tell you right now that the margins are usually razor thin unless you go full mcdojo/daycare.
Part of it is sales reasons of wanting the potential customer to become more invested by directly interacting with someone from the school ether through phone or better yet in person after getting them to try a class.
The other part is that many schools have variable pricing (discounts/scholarships, etc) because most places including my own rather have enough people in classes for proper training sessions then be stuck with only the few people who consistently pay full dues on time.
There is also a 3rd major reason that you probably wouldn't guess.
Most people who teach martial arts suck at web dev stuff and thus it's a major pain in the ass to change the web site once it's up because it involves playing phonetag with someone who actually knows what they are doing.
Are you ok?
>bjj is trendy
Wait, is 2004 again?
>Boxing gyms around me only charge around 40-60 per month
Wow, did not know this!
It isn't the gym fee thats so expensive but the $500 for each stripe on my white belt and the $1000 for my blue belt. The professor called me champ and his best friend so that makes it a bit easier
I don't mind the price, its the fricking contract
mine is 12 sessions for $90 and it never expires, no contracts. i go twice a week and four times to the gym so works out nicely
This pretty much, can't believe this type of israelite israelite shit they pull.
it is understandable since so many people sign up and quit almost immediately.
I don't like it, but I understand why they do it
>Sparring with a bjj guy
>He literally does the thing where he flops on his back and flails his legs the moment the fight starts
Pic related is how I felt watching him. Shit was ridiculous.
Later on he tried to put me in a baseball bat choke, but forgot that in real life people can actually punch you in the face, so I just pummeled his face (lightly, because this was just sparring), and he said it didn't count because I would have been knocked out. C'mon, man. What the hell.
Which state?
Boxing gyms are at least $500 p/month where I live (SLP). And the good MMA/BJJ gyms won't go any lower than $700 plus tip (Inscription fees), and the obligatory BJJ gi ($2,000).
Lima lama and other shitty mexidojos are cheaper than that, but you won't learn a single thing from those places.
Welcome to grappling lol. 2 hours of BJJ a week make you immune to pain and injury, don'tcha know.
Ok
I think he just a butthole
Sure
Im from east europe, every bjj gym is 25 euros here and my teammate placed 2nd in worlds last year so there's that
Oh and my coach won worlds a few years ago at brown belt
Pulling guard is gay. I have basic judo skills and that's more than most other BJJ guys I know. It's sad when a white belt can throw purple belts around.
If you're going to pull guard, at least do something like failed tomoe nage into DLR or butterfly. Don't just concede top position
Yes, of course I've pulled guard but it's always a last resort move. I don't respect guys who default to guard-pull right off the bat, it feels lazy to me and it's boring.
I get it in the sporting context; who wants to lose 2 points for a TD and then maybe another 2 for knee-on-belly. However, to me, it's the BJJ equivalent of turtling or going belly down.
Turtling is the gayest shit you can do that doesn't involve taking dick in your ass. Just take your loss like a man.
Lol, I fricking hate that. I had a handful of wrestling classes and I insist in starting in the feet. A lot o bjj gays want to start on their ass and scoot around trying to grab a leg. So fricking gay.
they gotta pay rent for the facility and they gotta put food on their table. If classes get too big instruction suffers and you might as well go to exercise boxing.
20-30 students at a hundred bucks a pop is only $2-3000 to cover living expenses, gym rental and all the costs associated with helping their students compete.
Coaches are trying to run a full time business not do this as a side hustle.
but you also gotta factor in the kids classes, that's where they make bank. I wouldn't doubt that they make that shit more expensive
elbow slam
I pay 160$ a month and it honestly doesn't bother me much, and I'm just a janitor. For that, I get to go to class pretty much every day of the week for 1-2 hours, learning both muay thai and jiu-jitsu from coaches who are former high-level competitors/champs/gold medalists or have students who are.
It is bullshit when karate dojos and fitness kick boxing places charge that much though, when you consider that you can get a weight-lifting gym membership for 10$ a month. Those kinds of gyms try to israelite you in other ways though, at least bjj/mma gyms are upfront about it.
> Paying $1k for a strip of cloth dyed blue
Do BJJ guys really?
What the frick are you talking about
I do here in Argentina and its really cheap, is it really expensive in other countrys?
if you are pulling guard and the fight has more than grappling alowed you are a moron
yeah it's crazy expensive and it's been like that since i started taking an interest in martial arts in 2016.
funnily enough we rolled a lot at the hapkido dojang i used to train at which only charged like €25/month for 1 lesson a week and €50/month for 2 lessons a week. within 2 years i became a decent grappler for a generalist who was okay at everything (since hapkido is more broad than it is deep) w/o ever paying for a bjj class. a classic/traditional/old school judo dojo should teach u p good newaza (albeit a little primitive and rudimentary compared to the specialized ground game of bjj), great breakfalls, and phenomenal stand-up compared to bjj for a fraction of the price, if u can find such a school in ur area.
bjj is great if u can find an academy that isn't just geared toward sports jiu-jitsu, but don't forget it's not the ONLY art that offers submission grappling. hell, if u're lucky u may find a catch wrestling gym or luta livre school but those are rare.
if the other guy is really good in his feet , like a judoka or something in competition, I would probabbly pull guard and fall on a way to avoid getting mounted,
this is of course if you know you will loose on your feet,
plus if you are a white belt its forgibable
holy smokes, that's genius. this should be standard for martial arts schools in general. i'll def run my future gym like this. cut out the middle-man, prevent competitors from poaching the poorest students, and i'd keep a clean gym. everyone wins. that's wealth creation right there.
Unironically how my closest MMA gym does it. Technically you can leave early without doing it but you get dagger stares in your back.
ahhh so they make everyone do it? ig that would drive the price down further. how many ppl does it take to clean a gym tho?
I think you need to also add a little more on the material necissary. Boxing, at least trainging/light practice, can and is usually done on hard wood or regular flooring, only matches and full force need rings. so the upfront cost besides just space is relatively small.
Things can be both awesome and moronic at the same time.
They have bills to pay, require gear that cost money, and most importantly people are willing to pay it.
Also unlike stuff like kung fu or karate, the instructors actually do it as their primary job rather then a second job or hobby, so they want to make as good of a living as the market will allow.
It's a scam. You get to spend more time with the hot female Yoga instructor by going to Yoga, not BJJ. If you stick with martial arts you're only going to meet different varieties of sweaty guys and the occasional brick shithouse woman.
They're usually renting. They're usually carrying some kind insurance. They usually also enjoy occasionally having a meal. People b***h about house/apt rental, but commercial rent is fricking insane, especially for a new business. Tack on all the extras your state/county/town etc will rape you for, the lawyers/accounting/any employees, and rates very quickly get high. That said, if your instructors are worth their salt, they're making the bulk of the gym's money doing privates.
Privates tend to go directly to the instructor rather then to to expense.
Also group classes are significantly better for consistent income. People are flaky as frick when it comes to privates.
BJJ and Judo are very 40/30something middle class/white collar here in Bongland. While boxing and Muay Thai are very teen/20something working class/blue collar.
It does seem to be changing with the popularity of MMA and catch wrestling which was traditionally working class is making a comeback.
But most Brits, i.e. the working class majority, think of fighting as being striking based. It really seems only those with some education see grappling as an important if not the most important fight skill.
There's also a trend if very wealthy upper class Brits who get into grappling trying to look like an American blue collar manly stereotypes I have noticed.
I'm surprised; I would have thought that Judo would have gravitated younger due to the olympic pipeline.
Yes and no, the ones in the Oly pipeline are younger. But younguns are far more interested in MMA and boxing from my personal experience.